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#1
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After E3, I posted some speculation on the fate of the squad. I wanted to update it in light of Gamescon.

VS/Liara/Garrus/Tali/Vega: Confirmed

Wrex: Heavily implied cameo. Probably on Tuchanka, as well as Sur'Kesh

Zaeed/Kasumi: All but confirmed not to be squaddies at one of the Q&As. Cameo

Samara/Morinth: Can be killed before the SM. Liara fills the squad rolle and her AA is a nod to Samara's outfit. Cameo on Thessia.

Thane: Really ought to be in failing health. Cameo, but confirmed to be alive.

Grunt: At one point I would have said he was on the squad, but now I'm not so sure. Vega fills the survivable tank role. For now, I'm going to say he'll be a temp squaddie on Tuchanka.

Jacob: Is extremely unpopular. Vega can fill the normal guy role. Multiple sources seem to think he won't be back. Cameo.

Mordin: Seen on Sur'Kesh. Probably a cameo or temp.

Legion: Will have a "larger role" but considering how late you got him... My bet is he's a temp for the geth/quarian conflict...

Jack: I don't know. She doesn't have plot hooks like Tali and Miranda do, and isn't that popular a LI. But Hudson likes her and squad status is a good chance to show character development.

Miranda: Feeling much more confident about her chances. She has a "large role" and "unfinished business" with Shepard. Cerberus is a major enemy. I think she'll either be a temp for a good, long time or permanent.


Core Squad:
VS
Liara
Vega
Garrus
Tali
Miranda
New Person
New Person

Temps:
Legion
Mordin
Grunt
Aria (that "placeholder" looked like her)
Anderson (confirmed)

Cameos:
Wrex
Thane
Jacob
Samara/Morinth
Zaeed
Jack (could plausibly go in any category)
Kasumi

Modifié par jtav, 21 août 2011 - 01:01 .


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One thing for sure is that there'll definitely won't be more than 6-9 stay-on-Normandy major squaddies. Mike made it clear they've reduced the squad considerably.

My predictions:
1. VS
2. Liara
3. Vega
4. new female
5. Prothy
6. Tali
7. Garrus
8. last spot for someone from ME2 or DLC character for ME3

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My predictions:

1. Ashley/Kaidan
2. Garrus
3. Vega
4. Liara
5. Tali
6. Legion (he had very little time in ME2, so he propably will be in squad much longer)
7. Grunt (squad without a krogan is not a squad)
8. New person

Temporary:
1. Anderson
2. Wrex/Wreav
3. Miranda
4. Samara

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Some places I'd disagree with OP:

- Samara on Thessia: she's more "stalking across galaxy righting wrong" type than home sitter. For example, she might mention on Tuchanka something about that she'd go there after the Shepard's mission to teach krogans what's right - and that she'll probably need a lot of bullets. So I see her in more abandoned and wild place than Thessia - maybe ardat-yakshi monastery visiting her daughters, maybe Wrex'es advisor, maybe new "Archangel" of Omega.

- Jacob. Yes, he's inpopular, but he's a LI. Cameo'ed LI is a bad, bad thing.

- Jack may suddenly get a plot relevance after the events of new Mass Effect novel. If TIM will capture Gillian and try to perform another biotic experiments - or even just try to perform experiments on biotics - wait for Jack to arrive. Plus, 40% of enemies are going to be Cerberus, so I'd expect her to want to shoot them. And, btw, we still don't have a Vanguard.

So, resulting status:

Permanents:_______________
- Ashley (Soldier, damage dealer) / Kaidan (Sentinel, ???)

- Liara (Adept, crowd controller)

- Garrus (Infiltrator, damage dealer)

- James (Soldier, tank)

- Tali (Engineer, against syntetics)

- Prothy (Engineer, against organics (a.k.a Mordin's replacement. No one from confirmed is having an Incinerate, Cryo Blast or Neural Shock))

- Jack (Vanguard, tank/cc (Pull, Barrier, Warp Ammo, class ability, Shockwave?))

- salarian lady (Sentinel, ??? (I think that since we will have two Soldiers with different specialisation, therу also will be two Sentinels with different specialisation. Seeing that in ME2 Shepard-Sentinel was hell of a tank, one of them may get nerfed Tech Armor and go tanking while another will be Miranda-like - squad bonuses and stripping defences)

Normandy NPCs:___________
- Miranda. Including her in perms may create strange situation where one playthroughs will have 2 Sentinels while another - no one. With all talks about her important role I think she'll be a quest provider for Cerberus plot arc. Sorry, Miri, I SO want to be wrong here.

- Jacob. Unpopular, as was said. May quietly stand in armory as he did in ME2.

- Thane. Just because "all LIs are equal". Well, relatively equal. Hopefully he'll get plot importance because in ME2 he was the only LI who can't be assigned on any role during SM. Except Crew Escort , of course.

Temporary:_________________
- Kasumi (very loved squadmate)

- Zaeed (has enough fans as well)

Cameo:____________________
- Legion - part of geth/quarian conflict, Rannoch confirmed.

- Samara - check above / Morinth - also some deserted place, but her mission is completely opposite to her mother's

- Wrex - quest supplier for turians/krogan/salarians/genophage arc

- Grunt - right hand of Wrex. Either this or temporary.

- Mordin - genophage again. Might join after this arc will end, might make heroic sacrifice since he's rather old and feeling guilt for using krogans as tool against rachni.

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I hope Jack is a full-on squaddie. I really liked her progression, softening her and making her a better person. I would like to see that continue.

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Samara did say she would clean up Omega after their mission was successfull and everyone lived.

Also someone please kick Mineralica... lore is crucial when it comes to making assumptions. As far as lore goes point out one mission in either Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2 where you ran into a Salarian with Biotic Powers... just one encounter. Please just point out ONE.

Biotics are exclusive to Asari, Drell, Krogan, and Humans (because of the Illusive Man), so assigning a Salarian with a class that is half engineer and half adept is a bit inaccurate there buddy. Sentinel = Engineer + Adept, Vanguard = Soldier + Adept, Infiltrator = Soldier + Engineer

However there are chemicals... illegal chemicals that grant species other than Human, Drell, Krogan and Asari the ability to use biotics for a short time. Evidence is seen with the Volus Niftu Cal who gained biotic ability in the Eclipse base on Illium. Salarians, Turians (other than Saren because he was implanted with Reaper tech), Elcor and Vorcha do not have the proficiency for biotics. Unless the Salarian is drinking this chemical daily. Not sure about the Hannar..... maybe that is how they keep them selves levitating like that.

However currently there is no evidence.... in game or in the literature that a Salarian would be a Sentinel.

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 21 août 2011 - 03:56 .


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Permanent:

Garrus
Tali
Liara
VS
Vega
Prothy (DLC character, most likely)
Legion
Grunt
Feron
Mordin (If genophage cure is completed) otherwise new salarian
Jack
Miranda
Raloi (possible DLC character)
New Biotic
New Human

8-10 out of these 15 can be recruited

Temp:

Wrex
Samara
Aria
Anderson
Kasumi
Legion (If not recruited)
Grunt (If not recruited)
Mordin (If not recruited)
Miranda (If not recruited)
Jack (If not recruited)

Cameo:

Zaeed
Thane
Jacob
Morinth

Modifié par darthnick427, 21 août 2011 - 04:08 .


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Just want to remind you guys of one thing. Go on YouTube and look up "worst possible ending with Shep surviving in ME2" This one person played through his game and killed off all of his squadmates except for Kasumi.... because Shep survived the game with all the others dead BioWare has to compensate for that..... technically Liara and Ashly / Kaidan are two squad spots that are guaranteed.... and in all honesty since the others can die there also have to be replacements for the "possibly" dead squadmates..... follow this link www.youtube.com/watch and you will see what i mean

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 23 août 2011 - 03:57 .


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where is this interveiw where squadmats are disscussed at gamescon?

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Prothy? Has that character even been confirmed to be in the game?

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I would like Jack back full time as well

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As long as everyone knows not to cross in front of Shepard in fight,shot Shepard in the back during fights or plant themselves against the wall while Shepard get shot to swiss cheese,I don't really care who is a permanent or a temp.My favorite non-LI male is Garrus,non LI female Kasumi.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Just want to remind you guys of one thing. Go on YouTube and look up "worst possible ending with Shep surviving in ME2" This one person played through his game and killed off all of his squadmates except for Kasumi.... because Shep survived the game with all the others dead BioWare has to compensate for that..... technically Liara and Ashly / Kaidan are two squad spots that are guaranteed.... and in all honesty since the others can die there also have to be replacements for the "possibly" dead squadmates..... follow this link www.youtube.com/watch and you will see what i mean

Why should BioWare compensate for a player making their game harder?  

If they only get VS, Liara, and Vega.  That's on them.

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My predictions:
1. VS
2. Liara
3. Vega
4. Grunt
5. New person
6. Tali
7. Garrus
8. last spot for someone from ME2 or DLC character for ME3

Prothy is a myth.B)

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I predict the following

1. VS (Confirmed)
2. Liara (Confirmed)
3. Vega (Confirmed)
4.Tali (Confirmed)
5.Garrus (Confirmed)
6.Miranda
7.Legion
8. New Female
9. The DLC Character

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Hmmm... It might heavily depend on who was left alive at the end of ME2. And apparently choices made in the previous two installments will have an impact on who is still alive at the beginning of ME3 (as per Casey Hudson's recent video). Can't I just kill off Vega, Miranda, Garrus, and Kaidan and replace them with Legion, Wrex, Thane, and Mordin? :(

Well, there were six squadmates in ME1 and ten-twelve in ME2. I'm assuming the game developers want to cut back the number of squadmates from the second game, so let's say there are eight squadmates maximum for ME3:

Ashley/Kaidan
Liara
James Vega
Tali (if alive)
Garrus (if alive)

+Wrex (if alive)
+Miranda (if alive)
+Legion :D or Jack :|

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-Core Squad-
1. Liara
2. VS
3. Vega
4. Unknown
5. Garrus
6. Tali

Temporay Squadmembers (Plot Relevance)
Wrex
Mordin
Legion
Miranda

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ladyvader wrote...

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Just want to remind you guys of one thing. Go on YouTube and look up "worst possible ending with Shep surviving in ME2" This one person played through his game and killed off all of his squadmates except for Kasumi.... because Shep survived the game with all the others dead BioWare has to compensate for that..... technically Liara and Ashly / Kaidan are two squad spots that are guaranteed.... and in all honesty since the others can die there also have to be replacements for the "possibly" dead squadmates..... follow this link www.youtube.com/watch and you will see what i mean

Why should BioWare compensate for a player making their game harder?  

If they only get VS, Liara, and Vega.  That's on them.


I don't know about should or should not, but it's already been stated that there won't be "replacement" characters for potential ME3 squadmates you got killed in ME2.

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Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Samara did say she would clean up Omega after their mission was successfull and everyone lived.

Also someone please kick Mineralica... lore is crucial when it comes to making assumptions. As far as lore goes point out one mission in either Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2 where you ran into a Salarian with Biotic Powers... just one encounter. Please just point out ONE.

Biotics are exclusive to Asari, Drell, Krogan, and Humans (because of the Illusive Man), so assigning a Salarian with a class that is half engineer and half adept is a bit inaccurate there buddy. Sentinel = Engineer + Adept, Vanguard = Soldier + Adept, Infiltrator = Soldier + Engineer

However there are chemicals... illegal chemicals that grant species other than Human, Drell, Krogan and Asari the ability to use biotics for a short time. Evidence is seen with the Volus Niftu Cal who gained biotic ability in the Eclipse base on Illium. Salarians, Turians (other than Saren because he was implanted with Reaper tech), Elcor and Vorcha do not have the proficiency for biotics. Unless the Salarian is drinking this chemical daily. Not sure about the Hannar..... maybe that is how they keep them selves levitating like that.

However currently there is no evidence.... in game or in the literature that a Salarian would be a Sentinel.

Salarian base on Virmire, maybe terminal which stands lonely in the tent or maybe Rentola (I really need to replay ME1, but localization issues think otherwise) - "Salarian biotics are extremely rare, so Salarians won't use this gifted person as simple frontline soldier. They are almost exclusive for special tasks operations". Or something among that lines. I almost sent Kaidan with salarians after this revelation but then decided I need in my most used squadmate. Wikia: scroll to "Military" section.

It won't take that big stretch of imagination to assume intelligence forces member will be familiar with tech? So Sentinel.

Strange that you hadn't pointed the rarity of female salarians - that might be the biggest problem. They are the main political power, and so on. But since I'm too curious to know what salarian ladies look like - as many other people here also curious about, I believe - I would like to see one as a squadmate. Maybe local analogue of Aethyta, person who decided that defending of own race is more important that keeping traditions. But I won't be much disappointed if it will be male.

And, since I'm that kind today, I allow you to not to punch Omega4RelayResident for not consulting with lore.

Edit: and just purely for LOL effect: biotic Mordin

Modifié par mineralica, 23 août 2011 - 12:42 .


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Sorry if this has all been discussed before but im new here!

The lack of new squadmates does worry me a little, in one of my playthroughs both Garrus and Tali died on the Suicide Mission, not because my lack of ability! I thought it would be interesting to spice things up by not buying one of the ship enhancements which resulted in Garrus dying and Tali randomly dropped dead when I left her to hold the line despite being loyal! Much as I do like Ash/Kaiden and Liara they along with Vega provide little choice, especially if you chose Ash to survive at Virmire (Her and vega both being soldiers)

These are my theories for the rest of the squad and how they will be incorporated into ME 3

Legion: I personally believe he is almost dead certainly a squaddie. The fact we got him late on in Mass Effect 2 supports this. It is highly unlikely both he and Tali die on the SM and can see him as a good replacement for the tech expert. I think he can also easily be incorporated if you chose to hand him over to Cerberus in ME2, there never was any evidence he died...or did I miss something?

Samara: Wont be a squaddie, I dont think she will even be a temporary squaddie. I can see a cameo possibly in one of the side missions but due to her role kinda being redundant in ME3 (We got Liara back) I really cant see her playing a large role.

Morinth: Again I dont believe she will play a large role. The fact that even if you chose her over Samara she still spoke like her and there was little extra dialogue makes me think BW wont feature her heavily in ME3. Perhaps a reference..

Thane: Thane will be in the game somewhere but again I dont believe he will be a squaddie. The fact he is dying supports this. I do think he will feature in perhaps his own side mission or will feature in an overall mission; not sure which one! 

Kasumi/ Zaeed: Cameos from these two and I dont expect they will be large, although you could get your flirt on with Kasumi I dont think she will be incorporated as an LI. Much as I love her! And the fact you could kill Zaeed in his own loyalty mission means its unlikely he will have a large role.

Grunt: Another tough one to judge, I guess his spot is kinda redundant on the squad now we have Vega and possibly Ash. I can see BW making him a squaddie but then we have a squad thats pretty heavy on firepower and not a lot else! I can definatley see a cameo on Tuchanka with or without Wrex. Im still holding him to the 'if I find a clan I will destroy you' thing.

Jack: We know shes returning but I cant see her as a squaddie. I mean sure she was popular but in terms of the overall story I dont feel she contributed all that much, I for one do like her but shes not got much reason to reunite with Shep in ME3. I can see her as a temporary squaddie perhaps in a mission against Cerberus.

Mordin: Other than the cameo on Sur'Kesh I cant see him being involved with the rest of the game, perhaps a 'stay at home' spot on the Normandy but I highly doubt him as a squad member.

Jacob: An unpopular character who i fear will get a larger role purely because he was an LI. I know people invested their time in him, and got to see his abs :D But I feel a bland character like him should be pushed aside in favour of those who were more interesting. A cameo for sure , but I fear it may be more.

Miranda: The toughest one of the bunch, We know she has a large role but will she be a squaddie? Much as I would love her to be im not sure. As a temp almost certainly, her 'unfinished bussiness' with Cerberus should be interesting and can see her rejoining Shep for some good old revenge. Beyond that I think she will be ever present in the story but not as a squaddie.

Sorry for the long post but ive been dying to express my views ever since I started playing ME2! I left Garrus and Tali out because we already know they are squaddies and as such will be an integral part of the story.

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In ME2 we got 10-14 squadmembers, depending on how you count them (Zaeed, Kasumi, Morinth, Liara är the extra 4), and seeing as how Bioware has said that we will get fewer squadmembers in ME3, I'm guessing we will have 7-9 permanent squadmembers, and several who are mission specific.

1. Ashley or Kaidan
2. Vega
3. Garrus
4. Tali
5. Liara

Then my guesses would be (in order of likelihood):

6. Miranda
7. Legion
8. Jack
9. Mordin
10. Jacob
11. Grunt
12. Wrex
13. Samara/Morinth
14. Thane
15. Kasumi/ Zaeed

So, if we agree that about 7-9 members will be permanent, then a whole lot of characters will be bumped down to mission specific squadmates. I'm fine with this. However, it would be nice if people were given the chance to continue their romances with characters that are no longer permanent. My guess is that neither Thane nor Jacob will be back permanently (for different reasons), and I hope players will be able to wrap up their romances even if the characters are not permanent.