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[Faust1979]

I like some JRPGs not many though

Shadows Hearts 1
Xenosaga trilogy
Final Fantasy 12

those are the only ones I like

[Seagloom]

I am of a similar mind to Ulous. On a personal level:

I cherished them in the 16-bit and 32-bit era. The various Final Fantasy games and spinoffs, Persona series, Shining Force series, Breath of Fire series, the Lunar games, and countless one shot titles such as 7th Saga, Chrono Trigger, Panzer Dragoon: Saga, and Valkyrie Profile. Some of my fondest gaming memories are from playing JRPGs.

My interest in them began to wane as I grew up. During the early PS2 era, I tried my hand at games such as Jade Cocoon 2 and Final Fantasy X. Trouble was, I had been exposed to CRPGs. I played Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate II, and Icewind Dale--and I loved them. I loved having a small hand in how my character reacted. I loved playing a female character. I even loved the novelty of finally getting to play an evil muffin--something I only experienced before in Tecmo's Deception, a hybrid JRPG.

BioWare and Black Isle introduced me to something new. Something glorious. JRPGs felt lacking when I returned to them. Then I played Planescape: Torment, which combined the best of both approaches; and it was all over. The only console RPGs I bought then were BioWare games, and Morrowind. Neverwinter Nights drove the nail further into the coffin. I left consoles altogether after the Xbox/PS2 era.

I still enjoy occasional Japanese games outside the RPG genre. I also enjoy revisiting older JRPGs or playing retro indies inspired by them. However, I am no longer satisfied playing through a linear story with a set protagonist where my only input is how to kick someone's ass. Not in brand new AAA JRPGs.

CRPGs are still evolving. They may not be evolving into something I like in some cases, but at least developers are trying new things with them. Whereas JRPGs, as far as I can tell as an outsider looking into the current generation, remain stagnant. The most change is in small tweaks to combat. That alone is nowhere near enough to grip me anymore.

Modifié par Seagloom, 22 août 2011 - 12:39 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

I personally don't hate all JRPGs. But with most of them, they've become so stagnant and generic that they've become tedious and dull. Also with some like FFVII, I hated the combat system.
But as with most things, there are exceptions like Persona 3, Golden Sun, FFXII and Tactics.Those titles were different enough for me to enjoy them(especially Persona).

[Pious_Augustus]

Ulous wrote...

I used to love JRPG's and Japanese games in general, but I feel they have fell behind the west by refusing and/or just not realising they need to make changes, you can only use the same formulas for so long before people get pissed off.

What most people don't seem to realize or they just to seem to be using this as an excuse when JRPGs went down hill its when new people took over and changed everything about the various series. Breath of Fire IV did not suck because it stuck to the same formula it was when Breath of Fire V changed everything about the series and turned it into a dungeon crawler with little or no stories and no towns really that destroyed it.

Xenosaga was supposed to span six games but when the orginal writer quit as most people with her because the new director wanted to push more action in a dungeon rather then story they were given only one more game to finish the story.

When Suikoden IV was taken over and they wanted to add the crisp Silent Hill III engine and add more dungeon crawling then story which made it a ten hour game it pretty much almost sunk the series. Then the old team was given free rain to make Suikoden V which was almost as good or better then Suikoden II which it added the old fighting system and added more story then dungeon crawling. However when Konami wanted to hand off the series to another guy who wanted to add more dungeons then story the entire team quit and moved in in princable thus killing the series.

The Final Fantasy series was taken over by people who literally wrote in the offical stradegy guide for FFX that next time they will take over and add their views thus forever killing the series by making it a dungeon crawler with lifeless cities with less story and more dungeon crawling with a new combat system.

I can pretty much go on and on. Basically failed Japanese Developers who failed to make a good game or a crappy game like SaGa were given the keys to some of the most powerful franchises changed them and sunk them.

You guys act like the Japanese never changed their games but thats what they did and the public does not like the changes. It's kind of like how Dragon Age II was changed to focus on the Call of Duty crowd but hasn't pulled as much people.

Or even as the Liberal Senator known as John McCain who was a media darling only because he was a Republican in name only and spent his entire career bashing fellow Republicans and was his go too token guy for a biased media and then when he ran for President and no one on he Republican side really supported him and went out to vote for him but the media made it seem he was never their go to guy and he was out of touch and pretty much all the people in the land turned against the guy and voters were calling him out on things claiming he was what john McCain was what he accused others of being

John McCain is an example of people mislead into thinking he was one thing and its the same for JRPGs. They have changed and thats the problem they have not stayed the same and become stale....they changed and people don't like them and the Gaming media is pretending nothing has changed with the genre

If anything JRPGs should go back to their roots

Modifié par Pious_Augustus, 22 août 2011 - 01:28 .

[slimgrin]

Can't see myself getting into them as I love exploration and realism, both of which are basic elements of western RPG's.

I do, however, worship SSF:AE as one of the greatest games ever made. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 22 août 2011 - 12:43 .

[bmwcrazy]

 I figured I'd give JRPG a shot, so I bought DA2 for $60 and I didn't like it. 

[Agamo45]

marshalleck wrote...

BSN hates everything Japanese. JRPG, anime, Japanese people, etc.

This place is incredibly racist toward RPG and anime

I wasn't aware that anime was a race.

[bussinrounds]

Been a fan of d&d (p&p and video games) and since the 80's


So jrpgs are like something totally foreign to me. (no pun intended)

[Nameless one7]

Persona and Fire Emblem are pretty good JRPGs, some JRPGs are good, some are bad just like any other genre.

[Beocat]

Well, in recent years I have come to love Japanese RPGs less and less than I did when I was younger and I imagine that this is for several reasons.
1. The story is predictable. Rarely is a character's mysterious history ever truly made a mystery. By the time the big reveal comes along, you will have seen it coming after the first town you visited. Whether it is a character, the journey, or whatever....it's really a repeat of another game you played already.
2. The parties are always it seems filled with teenagers, an older 30-40yr old adult, and a very young child (or someone who looks like a 6 year old) as if this spread is required for a competent party. And it is never an issue for a young, not even having reached puberty, child to be battling big monsters and putting his or her life on the line. (Tales series, Star Ocean: TLH, Star Ocean: TEOT, etc)
3. The bad guy/villian/whatever always has an uninspired monologue on the why or how he or she is going about doing the deed. If I'm going to listen to a prepared speech, at least make it interesting and not the same thing I heard before in five other JRPGs. The same goes for the villian whom you beat but you didn't really beat because he just hadn't dipped all the way into his energy sources! Please, once you finish someone off just let them roll over and die. (DQ8, Dark Cloud series, etc)
4. Oftentimes. you must use a character for him or her to gain any experience whatsoever. If you decide you don't like a character, or that the character's battle strategy or attacks are not worth the grind...and it will be a grind to get every single character up to the same level as yourself...you will inevitably be forced to use said unleveled character in a leveled environment while thinking to yourself, "oh crap...". Those are the times you really hate random battles. (Rogue Galaxy, Dark Cloud series, Star Ocean: TEOT, etc)
5. Random battles -- the single most frustrating gameplay ever forced upon people. When you want to grind it seems the battles never come fast enough....yet when all you want to do is avoid one for just a minute or two, you can't put the controller down for all the battles hitting you. It is frustrating and pointless.

I will say now that Zelda and Mario are executed well and are not RPGs. That may be why they are so well loved...However, JRPGs have a terrible tendancy to fall into the traps above (and sometimes the westerns ones do too, just not as often thankfully) and irritate the heck out of gamers. If you're a teenager playing (likely in Japan) it probably won't bother you much as you haven't played the same story a dozen times before in a different form. Many American gamers however are much older, in their 20s to 50s, and want fresh ideas and less frustration as well. Can you really blame them for that?

[Faust1979]

bussinrounds wrote...

Been a fan of d&d (p&p and video games) and since the 80's


So jrpgs are like something totally foreign to me. (no pun intended)

I have both the Dungeons and Dragons games for the Intellivision, I got them when I bought an old system with over 50 games off ebay about 5 years ago, it was my first video game as a kid before it was sold when I got a Nintendo for my birthday a few years later.

[bussinrounds]

Did you get Tower of Doom for Intellivision also ? (wasn't d&d licensed, but was in that mold and still damn good)

[marshalleck]

Agamo45 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

BSN hates everything Japanese. JRPG, anime, Japanese people, etc.

This place is incredibly racist toward RPG and anime

I wasn't aware that anime was a race.

The more you know!

[zx2781]

Chrisuuu: The fact that you even throw the term 'racism' into this makes this post absolutey, for lack of a better word 'STUPID!!!!!!

JRPGS suck. They play the same worn out formula time after time. Ridiculous characters. Everyone plays them to give them a chance. I played Catherine just to check it out..pure trash.

So as for your racism claim. My wife is Asian and I hate JRPGS.

[T764]

I think that it's because foreign entertainment is designed for different cultural mindsets, mindsets that not everybody will be able to relate with. A story that is focussed on or unique to a nations cultural identity may not have the same meaning to a foreigner.

There is also an element of racism to it (especially in regards to film and music), the number of people i have met that will not watch a foreign language film solely because it's foreign is ridiculous..

[bmwcrazy]

Not even porn? Japanese have some good stuff, and you don't even need subtitles for those.

[Deathwurm]

marshalleck wrote...

BSN hates everything Japanese. JRPG, anime, Japanese people, etc.

This place is incredibly racist toward RPG and anime

I see no justification for such a strong & offensive accusation.

I've never seen anything about anyone hating the Japanese People, I've seen a lot of Posts and Threads about Anime and Manga, and folks are talking about JRPG's all the time...they may not always enjoy the JRPG style or Games but a lot of that seems to be about liking the older ones more than the newer ones.

"Racist" is a pretty strong word and not something that should be tossed around without some serious proof to back it up.

I'll leave the "racist toward RPG and anime" part alone...it's just too funny all by itself.

[T764]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Not even porn? Japanese have some good stuff, and you don't even need subtitles for those.

Not even porn. But it's a cartoon!, Why is she squealing so much?, Is she supposed to look like she's being raped and Why is it blurry?. All comments i have heard in regards to Japanese porn.

Some people just refuse to accept anything foreign.

[LTD]

chrisuuuu wrote...

  Some of it reads as veiled racism imo. But on to the main issue. 

Veiled racism?? ROFL. Very strong way to start thine argument, mi lord.  I strongly disagree. Another person  whose opinions I find  strongly disagreeable  is Hitler. Which brings us to the real question here; what do you have against Jews dude? Not cool.

Modifié par LTD, 22 août 2011 - 04:00 .

[Han Shot First]

Some of it reads as veiled racism imo

...or maybe the critcs of JRPGS just don't like JRPGS. 

I don't like the stories, art style, effette protagnonists, or the linear gameplay of JPRGs. I've also spent about 13 months in total between two deployments in Japan while I was in the Marine Corps, love the country, speak the language, and have married a Japanese woman. 

I have yet to see anyone who has criticized JPRGs on this forum criticize them on the basis that they are made by Japanese people. But way to fall back on a tired old 'racism' strawman.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 22 août 2011 - 06:22 .

[T764]

Han Shot First wrote...

Some of it reads as veiled racism imo

...or maybe the critcs of JRPGS just don't like JRPGS. 

I don't like the stories, art style, effette protagnonists, or the linear gameplay of JPRGs. I've also spent about 13 months in total between two deployments in Japan while I was in the Marine Corps, love the country, speak the language, and have married a Japanese woman. 

I have yet to see anyone who has criticized JPRGs on this forum criticize them on the basis that they are made by Japanese people. But what to fall back on a tired old 'racism' strawman.

What word would you use describe people who hate something because it's foreign? 

The comments start at "I don't like the stories, art style, effette protagonists or the linear gameplay" and rapidly move into "weaboos and Japan fanbois". The BSN may be less worse than other places but does not change that the hate is primarily directed at the cultural mindset of the creators.

If i remember right in the "No more jrpg in DA2" thread we had changes in complaints whenever it was shown that wrpg's were the same, it became "bash the games because their foreign and they have a bad rep" and not because they are bad.

I am also fairly certain that one of the Dragon Age anime threads unded up with a number of racist comments. 

If i was to repeatedly mention my dislike of American accents and any complaints with American cultural themes in entertainment and it's invasion and destruction of my own culture and language i would rapidly be labelled a racist, it's used as a catch all phrase.

[chrisuuuu]

  I love how fast someone tries to defend another culture by saying "but I married a ____ woman". Thomas
Jefferson sure didn't view black males as equals but had no problem loving some of their women. I know plenty of men in the US who think Persian women are beautiful but wouldn't hesitate to crack a Bin Laden joke or be more wary around Arab men. It's called a fetish.

  I'm not speaking about every single person on this forum who dislike jrpgs. I'm sure the majority of them have their own reasons. But I do see plenty of those who discredit anything related to video gaming from Japan, past or present. Like I said, they would probably rate Duke Nukem Forever higher than Zelda: ToOT. It's obvious who those posters are. I don't know how you can be a lifelong gamer and discredit everything coming out of that country.

Modifié par chrisuuuu, 22 août 2011 - 07:45 .

[Romantiq]

I've yet to play a jrpg that isn't trash. I prefer korean games a lot more.

[VoiceOfPudding]

last i checked it wasn't rascist to dislike a culture. In the words of Timmy: I mean, come on.