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[eternalnightmare13]

Why cure them completely? Why not modify the genophage so the mortality rate of their births decreases by X percent. That way their population would not explode, but they wouldn't run the risk of extinction. The choice seems two black and white the way its presented in 2.

[KotorEffect3]

Krogan will make great ground troops against husks and indoctrinated slaves. I will be curing the genophage. Besides Wrex will keep them in line.

[CroGamer002]

With Wrex in charge, yes.

[Arkitekt]

From the human point of view, Shepard is going to do all the wrong moves.

He is going to cure the genophage, giving the Krogan a new unity and something to fight for, with Wrex leading the pack. He is going to solve the Quarian - Geth war, making them both stronger (not worried against each other - potential symbiosis of new techs, strategies, etc.), we will solve the Turians' and the Salarians' problem whatever they shall be, etc.

TIM is not going to like it.

[JoeLaTurkey]

Wrex could keep the krogan focused and stable, and he could prepare Grunt to be his successor ("guess that's what it takes to replace me")

With Grunt's pure genes he could live up to about 2000 years, more than enough time for the krogan to stabilise politically, economically and militarily.

[KotorEffect3]

Arkitekt wrote...

From the human point of view, Shepard is going to do all the wrong moves.

He is going to cure the genophage, giving the Krogan a new unity and something to fight for, with Wrex leading the pack. He is going to solve the Quarian - Geth war, making them both stronger (not worried against each other - potential symbiosis of new techs, strategies, etc.), we will solve the Turians' and the Salarians' problem whatever they shall be, etc.

TIM is not going to like it.

I am gaining allies to fight against the reapers,  pissing off TIM is just a bonus.  Besides TIM's days are numbered.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Wrex is going to keep the entire krogan species in line? I've never got the impression he had any loyalty to any humans (or other aliens for that matter) except Shepard.

I'm not so sure he would pass up ruling the galaxy just because Shepard asked. He'd probably just invite Shepard along for the ride.

[Ieldra]

Mesina2 wrote...
With Wrex in charge, yes.

You'd entrust the future behaviour of a whole species to one person? I find that a little naive.

@Homey C-Dawg:
Exactly.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 août 2011 - 09:14 .

[KotorEffect3]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Wrex is going to keep the entire krogan species in line? I've never got the impression he had any loyalty to any humans (or other aliens for that matter) except Shepard.

I'm not so sure he would pass up ruling the galaxy just because Shepard asked. He'd probably just invite Shepard along for the ride.

I will worry about the post war galaxy once the reapers are taken care of.  My main objective for now is defeating the reapers.  If I have to worry about the krogan later than that means we at least won the reaper war.

[KingNothing125]

Kalak wrote...

...actually, you run across a fair amount of reasonable krogan, particularly in ME2.  Think about that krogan on Ilium representing Mr. Thax, or the two arguing on the Citadel about fish.  Or what about the lovesick, poetry-reciting krogan over by the gift shop?  

Sure, they're large, dangerous reptiles that are generally bad-tempered and very hard to kill, but at the same time, not every krogan is a vicious murderer or a neo-Darwinian sociopath, a la Kredak or Okeer.

Sure, there are reasonable krogan, but you don't see any on Tuchanka (except that lovesick one on Illium if you convince the asari to take him back).

Even the various people in the Urdnot camp talk like they're on the fence about Wrex. The mechanic is like "If Wrex's plan works, great; if not, oh well, he'll get murdered and the next guy gets to try." The "scientist" krogan would rather be building bombs than whatever Wrex has him doing... the Urdnot Shaman pretty much confirms the old ways are still around. Krogan fight and fight and whoever is left when the dust settles rebuilds their society... then they fight some more... like their society embodies Darwinism taken to the extreme.

[SandTrout]

The only real answer to the Genophage cure, other than destroying it, is selective application. Those Krogan which exhibit restraint and acceptance of human domination should be cured, while excluding the more aggressive portions of the population. The net effect over the course of several generations would be deliberate selection (as opposed to natural selection) that should cause a gradual reduction in overall Krogan aggression.

We use the selective application of the Genophage cure as a means to bait the Krogan along as a client species. Those that violently oppose us will lack the cure, and should be easy enough to crush. Those that aide us willingly will be cured so that they can spread their influence throughout the Krogan species.

[el master pr]

I will cure the genophage. Wrex has proven to be an example to many krogan, and he has the reputation of helping Shepard in taking down Saren. It is said that a civilization is as strong as its leaders are. It may be true that the krogan have strengths to be worried about, but I trust Wrex will have the temper and wisdom to guide them towards being a possible Council race during the post-war reconstruction of the galaxy.

Modifié par el master pr, 21 août 2011 - 09:27 .

[Jeth Prime]

I've a few Shepards that won't do it. I've others that will.

[100k]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
With Wrex in charge, yes.

You'd entrust the future behaviour of a whole species to one person? I find that a little naive.

ME3 revolves around this entire premise.

Personally, yes, but under one condition that I think you may not like: set up a proxy war.

The krogan aren't dumb animals, but they are naturally agressive and territorial trait-wise. If you instegate a conflict between the krogan and the yahg, you almost instantly solve several problems:

1) You delay yahg expansion beyond their colony worlds -- assuming that at the end of ME3 the yahg finally achieve mass effect technology.

2) You can (brutally) level out an expanding krogan population. Instead of most krogan going to into the business of mercenaries and pirates, they'd become disciplined soldiers (hopefully). 

3) You sate the blood desires of both races. I think we can ALL agree that, if the krogan and yahg started a war, they would love it. Assuming that the krogan are allowed a spot on the council in ME3, you could instruct them to keep their war our in the Terminus systems -- preferably away from colonies like Illium and Bekenstein.

Conservative parties of both races would highly support this, as would those like Wrex, who would see it as a chance to expand and encourage a move away from cultural stagnation -- which is the bane of the krogan empire.

Those outside of the race might call it unethical...until a krogan or yahg tells them that this is what their [respective] race enjoys most. In the end, most races would probably be pleased that the two found a punching bag, rather than taking out their aggression on the innocent.

4) You can avoid a potential economic collapse -- better yet, possibly create a massive war economy to fund repairs of the Cycle War. By using the colonies in the Terminus systems as trading hubs, you could support both parties, capitalizing on their perpetual blood lust! Imagine the supply demands from two rapidly expanding civilizations! Neither could attack the colonies of other races without risking losing that supply flow, support, and maybe risking having another full scale war to fight. 

5) You might even limit the problem with slavers in the Terminus, who would now run the risk of being caught in the crossfire of the two races.

And you know what? That's the paragon option.

The renegade option is just to release the krogan onto the batarians. 

[Icinix]

Mesina2 wrote...

With Wrex in charge, yes.

*nods in approval*

[AClockworkMelon]

Wrex for Spectre!

[TobiTobsen]

Of course I will cure the genophage.

I need the krogans to counter the rachni, if my decision should backfire and those aggressive ants can't hear their song anymore

[Jeth Prime]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Wrex is going to keep the entire krogan species in line? I've never got the impression he had any loyalty to any humans (or other aliens for that matter) except Shepard.

I'm not so sure he would pass up ruling the galaxy just because Shepard asked. He'd probably just invite Shepard along for the ride.

I never once got any indication that Wrex wanted such a thing....
Wrex, on the other hand, is probably one of the few reasonable Krogan out there. I doubt he can keep them all happy and prevent a few groups from going nuts, on their own, but neither can any other race....
They do breed rather quickly and live really long.... Hmmm....

[Someone With Mass]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
With Wrex in charge, yes.

You'd entrust the future behaviour of a whole species to one person? I find that a little naive.

@Homey C-Dawg:
Exactly.

In the same way people are entrusting the fate of the galaxy to one person?

[leggywillow]

It's a very tricky situation.

I have Shepards who will and Shepard who won't, if we're given the option.  I, as the player, think the genophage is the right call.  It seemed harsh in ME1, but once you actually talk to Mordin about it, you learn some important facts.  For one thing, they are maintaining the actual krogan population at the same levels they were before they prematurely obtained spaceflight.  Krogan always had high birthrates to make up for their harsh environment.  Once that was removed, it led to a population boom that could threaten all other species and could eventually become unsustainable for the krogan themselves.

It's the same concept as hunting to thin out the deer population in an area where there are too many of them.  It seems harsh and there will always be people who oppose it, but it does more good in the long run for the entire ecosystem in which that species lives.  That said, krogan aren't deer.  They're people.

My Shepards will probably be fairly split on the issue, though I personally would keep the genophage.

[SandTrout]

Someone With Mass wrote...

In the same way people are entrusting the fate of the galaxy to one person?

They are not entrusting the galaxy to one person.

[Jeth Prime]

SandTrout wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

In the same way people are entrusting the fate of the galaxy to one person?

They are not entrusting the galaxy to one person.

Of course not. But these choices being left to one person, or any number of people, isn't a good idea, either.

[starwars5393]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Why cure them completely? Why not modify the genophage so the mortality rate of their births decreases by X percent. That way their population would not explode, but they wouldn't run the risk of extinction. The choice seems two black and white the way its presented in 2.

I agree i would modify the genophage enough so they could produce troops for the fight against the repears but still keep it going so their poulation doesn't explode like in the rebellions. If that isn't an option because of time it would take to alter the genophage I would cure them but to keep them in check i would restrict their birth rates and warn them if they get out of hand again the genophage will be released again

[Aeowyn]

leggywillow wrote...

It's a very tricky situation.

I have Shepards who will and Shepard who won't, if we're given the option.  I, as the player, think the genophage is the right call.  It seemed harsh in ME1, but once you actually talk to Mordin about it, you learn some important facts.  For one thing, they are maintaining the actual krogan population at the same levels they were before they prematurely obtained spaceflight.  Krogan always had high birthrates to make up for their harsh environment.  Once that was removed, it led to a population boom that could threaten all other species and could eventually become unsustainable for the krogan themselves.

It's the same concept as hunting to thin out the deer population in an area where there are too many of them.  It seems harsh and there will always be people who oppose it, but it does more good in the long run for the entire ecosystem in which that species lives.  That said, krogan aren't deer.  They're people.

My Shepards will probably be fairly split on the issue, though I personally would keep the genophage.

I was trying to write an elaborate post on my stance, but Leggywillow pretty much summed up my thoughts.

[darklordpocky-san]

I'd hand it out like this: You want the cure; work together with the galaxy. You don't want to do that, then leave. You want to take it by force, you die.

Modifié par darklordpocky-san, 21 août 2011 - 10:01 .