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[anihilato]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Curing the genophage doesn't strike me as particularly helpful in the near-term. It might help if the war were coming in a few decades or however long it takes a krogan to reach maturity... but the Reapers are here, reaping, now. What are the newly-fertile krogan going to do? Squirt out babies at them?

I imagine curing the genophage would be some sort of goodwill gesture to win the loyalty of existing krogan.

But yeah, no, I don't think it's a good idea. They're a stubborn, belligerent, aggressive race that should still be stuck on that nuke-blasted hell-hole of a planet. The only way I could see it being a good idea is if Wrex's reforms fundamentally change krogan culture. But somehow I doubt it will.

This.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
With Wrex in charge, yes.

You'd entrust the future behaviour of a whole species to one person? I find that a little naive.

@Homey C-Dawg:
Exactly.

In the same way people are entrusting the fate of the galaxy to one person?

Nobody entrusted Shepard with the fate of the galaxy. He's a war hero for "stopping the geth", but the galactic government doesn't believe him at all about the reapers. Only his friends and TIM think he's the one who can do it, and TIM was just using Shepard anyway.

Krogan, on the other hand, are all about fighting. They say it over and over again. It can be argued that the other species, especially humans, are obsessed with power as well. But with krogans, it's about fighting for the simple sake of fighting. I'm pretty sure that once they're number reached a certain point, they'd just split into various factions just like any race would. And I'm sure most of those factions motivations would revolve around "Power! Fight! Power! Fight!".

Wrex is a badass, but he isn't representitive of your typical krogan as far as I can tell.

Just my 2¢ of course.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Upon further review,I wouldn't cure the genophage.

Wrex's reform is based almost entirely on him having control of the fertile females,if all females were made fertile,they wouldn't need to conform to the "Peace and love,and killing" Wrex is trying to make,and it's been said in here,short term it won't help with the reapers for anything more then motivation,maybe in a few centuries the united krogan will be matured enough or rather "ready" to be released from it.

[wetnasty]

I'd rather not cure it and instead make it so there are no more still births, yet with the same rate of fertility. The Krogans live for a loooong time, they have plenty of time to attempt to have children. And if not, its not like they're in dire need of more. They're hard as hell to even phase because of their secondary organs.

[Pepper4]

I wanna modificate it so the krogan will regenerate in acceptable numbers.
But if I must choose between curing/not curing, I will go with curing every day.

[Khran1505]

Wrex is reforming the Krogan to better collaborate not only with each other but with other galactic species. If his ideals keep up, Krogan may work out their aggression through alternative means other than war and become something greater than what their ancestors were. I trust Wrex with my life and I know if he succeeds, the Krogan will be accepted back into galactic society.

Besides, whether the Salarians believe it or not, their Genophage is killing off the Krogan. They're a dying race and need to be saved. I'm for this cure as long as it's Wrex in charge.

[Mims]

I'd rather cure the genophage than mess with a complete unknown like the rachni. At least that'll be how my canonShep rolls.

[BurstAngel75]

Ladies and Gentleman, there is another name for the genophage, its called the Chinese one-child policy. Am I the only one who recognized the allagory?

To take away a society's right to have children for the sake of "population control" is not sci fi. Its a modern invention.

For me, I'd cure them and make sure that I'm carrying an awfully BIG stick.

[Sylvanpyxie]

The only reason the genophage was required is because Krogan were given Technology and Weaponry beyond their comprehension. Give a Caveman a Rocket Launcher he'll nuke whatever he wants and blow himself up in the process, ya know?

They were forced into a position where people believed the only option to prevent all out war was the genophage. They shouldn't have been put into that position in the first place, so it shouldn't have happened.

With that being said.. Wrex is reforming the Krogan, using fertile females as bargaining chips. Wrex and his alliance with the female clans is the only thing "really" keeping peace between the Krogan clans at the moment, as someone else stated, if they're all fertile the bargaining chips are gone...

Not to mention Krogan society hasn't had a chance to develop properly, they're still stuck on "Blow it up" and "Murder it" when problems arise. The Krogan were very primitive when they were thrown into the Rachni wars and they still are. So they're technically still a threat.

I don't know what i'll do if it comes down to curing or not curing.. The Genophage was wrong, but the risk of war that goes with curing it is pretty high.... So i dunno. My heart says "SAVE THE BABIES" my head says: Lol, no.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 21 août 2011 - 11:00 .

[Arkitekt]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

From the human point of view, Shepard is going to do all the wrong moves.

He is going to cure the genophage, giving the Krogan a new unity and something to fight for, with Wrex leading the pack. He is going to solve the Quarian - Geth war, making them both stronger (not worried against each other - potential symbiosis of new techs, strategies, etc.), we will solve the Turians' and the Salarians' problem whatever they shall be, etc.

TIM is not going to like it.

I am gaining allies to fight against the reapers,  pissing off TIM is just a bonus.  Besides TIM's days are numbered.

Never trying to say otherwise 

[Jonathan Shepard]

No. I've always agreed with Mordin's actions.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Without the threat of a Reaper war? No, because it's suicidal and would undermine Wrex' efforts.

[bioticfu]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
With Wrex in charge, yes.

You'd entrust the future behaviour of a whole species to one person? I find that a little naive.

Isn't that... what... ...  nevermind..

[Ianamus]

It may have reprecussions in the future, but we need the Krogan to fight the Reapers. If saving 'Eve' ensures that they'll help is, then I'll do it.

[pablodurando]

classic authoritarian vs. libertarian argument. For the sake of a quality post I'll say I lean toward authoritarianism.

[Schneidend]

Never. Krogan need to adapt to the genophage, which they are working on with Wrex's guidance. They pride themselves on their ability to adapt and survive anything. The genophage is just another obstacle they can surpass that will make them strong, with the added benefit of not overpopulating the galaxy.

[Golden Owl]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm thinking of this Sur'kesh mission in the ME3 demo. The female krogan represents a genophage cure, does she not? And I am asking myself, do I really want to do that?

Of course, in the face of the Reaper threat I may not have a choice, but I feel this is one decision that may come back to haunt the galaxy after the Reapers are defeated. I wonder if we'll get an option to avoid that.

I hear you....it's on my mind too, I'm not so sure cure is a great option...though neither is extinction, it's a tough one....I know many people want to rely on Wrex to keep the Krogan under control, but Wrex lives for about 1000 years?...What then? After he dies?...How long does it take the Krogan to fall back into their old ways and repeat the uprising?...I'm really not sure how to handle that one and am concerned about the choices I will be given in ME3.

[Pockles]

The krogan haven't demonstrated that they're capable of change. If the genophage was cured they'd spread across the galaxy like a swarm of locusts, killing anyone that gets in their way, just like they did before. Even now the remaining krogan are split into dozens of warring clans, too busy fighting each other to notice that they're slowly going extinct.

I don't know why getting the krogan's help is neccesary to fight the reapers. They don't have any starships. The turians make sure of that.

[Golden Owl]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

No. I've always agreed with Mordin's actions.

I grudgingly agree with the first Genophage...it was extreme and harsh, but what else to do? Was the lesser of two evils, something drastic had to be done...But as for the refined Genophage, I don't agree with it....Mordin said the Krogan were adapting, but some adapting doesn't mean a population explosion again, just a small percentage climb, thats what I understood from the information Mordin gave anyway and based on what I think he said, the refined Genophage was an un-necessary extra brutality.

[Reever]

Personally I would. Still depends on the Shep!

And, even as a Paragon/Paragade, I´d view the problem like this: I give them the chance, but if they´ll bite me in the ass afterwards, they´re toast once and for all (hope you have a choice, DLC domain?)

[landis963]

I get a free army of shock troops, all of whom will see me as the person who delivered them from the genophage? Count me in! And even if they don't see me personally as their deliverer, that genophage cure is a "get krogan goodwill free" card. Naturally, it's going to Wrex (I saved him in all my playthroughs)

[Weiser_Cain]

Humans weren't on the scene last time, we aren't going to take any crap from Krogans.
They almost got wiped out once and now the new galactic boss is crazy.

[Gabey5]

hell no, the krogan need to die.. but not before we use them to fight the reapers

Modifié par Gabey5, 22 août 2011 - 01:49 .

[SandTrout]

landis963 wrote...

I get a free army of shock troops, all of whom will see me as the person who delivered them from the genophage? Count me in! And even if they don't see me personally as their deliverer, that genophage cure is a "get krogan goodwill free" card. Naturally, it's going to Wrex (I saved him in all my playthroughs)

Using the presumption of good-will as your only leverage is naive to the extreme. The Krogan will fight the Reapers, most likely, but when they begin overrunning the galaxy again, all that their good will is likely to grant Humanity is slave status, as opposed to extinction.

Modifié par SandTrout, 22 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[TheOptimist]

Yes.  And if we must afterwards, Shepard will lead the charge to fight them again.  But no species deserves to be annihlated.  (Except the Reapers.  They've gotta go.)