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[Aaleel]

Every Shepard I've made since ME1 has taken every chance granted to end the Genophage, it's probably the only thing they all agree on. So I won't even have to think about it if the option comes up.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would rather give the cure only to Wrex sense he's demonstrated to have sense and to have learned from his ancestor's mistakes then he can distribute the cure as he sees fit to whom he sees fit. More then likely he'll cure the krogan clans showing sense and leave the one still repeating their ancestor's mistakes to die. I would rather not do a blanket cure or a blanket genopahge round 3.

[Sepewrath]

I don't see how the genophage means anything in the face of the Reaper threat, Krogan aren't born full born like Grunt lol. This would be nothing more than a promise for the Krogan to have a future and it comes down to, will you trust the Krogan with that future. It's a tough call, I would rather give the Krogan a while to settle under Wrex's new direction before having them cured. They listen to Wrex out of the desire for survival, when that is no longer necessary. I don't think Wrex can keep them in line. I wouldn't do it all if Wreav was in charge.

[Deejtage]

Aeowyn wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

It's a very tricky situation.

I have Shepards who will and Shepard who won't, if we're given the option.  I, as the player, think the genophage is the right call.  It seemed harsh in ME1, but once you actually talk to Mordin about it, you learn some important facts.  For one thing, they are maintaining the actual krogan population at the same levels they were before they prematurely obtained spaceflight.  Krogan always had high birthrates to make up for their harsh environment.  Once that was removed, it led to a population boom that could threaten all other species and could eventually become unsustainable for the krogan themselves.

It's the same concept as hunting to thin out the deer population in an area where there are too many of them.  It seems harsh and there will always be people who oppose it, but it does more good in the long run for the entire ecosystem in which that species lives.  That said, krogan aren't deer.  They're people.

My Shepards will probably be fairly split on the issue, though I personally would keep the genophage.

I was trying to write an elaborate post on my stance, but Leggywillow pretty much summed up my thoughts.

This. Frankly, I'm surprised to see so many people are willing to take the chance to cure it.

[Slayer299]

I really like Wrex, hell, he's downright awesome and I really like all the things he's started on Tuchanka but the bottom line is that the Krogan are too dangerous to let them return to the huge numbers they had during the Rebellions.

Krogan live for about a 1000 years and while Wrex isn't anywhere near his deathbed, but without a stronger position of power and a successor who will keep to what Wrex has started I can only foresee a disaster in the making by curing the Genophage.

[Boiny Bunny]

I'm hoping the game will offer the choice to save the female Krogan or not - with the results being:

A) Save her, the Krogan join Shepard, and help save a lot of human lives during ME3. However, the Krogan start another war against the galaxy hundreds of years later, killing millions/billions before being subdued.

Kill her, the Krogan don't join Shepard - many more human lives are lost (or perhaps all of them) in the fight against the Reapers.

That is to say, short term benefit versus long term benefit.

[lawl913]

no

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I don't want to cure the genophage but I do want to alter it so they have a higher fertility rate. Right now its 1 child for every 1000 possible offspring. After the Krogan are devistated by the Reapers (It is said that their fertile females are being killed off) they are going to need a higher fertility rate in order to survive. I think 1 in ever 300 possible offspring would be enough for them to rebuild their numbers without giving them the ability to become a galactic threat again.

[Homey C-Dawg]

wiggles89 wrote...

No, the krogan have yet to show that they're responsible enough to be cured. Moreover, if you're actually interested in the betterment of the krogan you shouldn't want a cure in the near future because a cure (or a promise of a cure) will only serve to undercut Wrex's power.

Agreed, and I forgot to add that to my previous posts. Curing the genophage will basically cause Wrex to be removed from power, rather quickly I'd assume, as the Krogan started to realize they wouldn't need his new ideas anymore.

[Ieldra]

I wonder if anyone has thought about this:

If the krogan can (almost) maintain their population when only one in thousand females is fertile....what will happen if the genophage is gone? They'll multiply their population by 1000 in one krogan generation. OK, that may be 1000 years, but 1000 years isn't so long and it's still an incredibly dangerous development.

The only thing that will counter that is a cultural change that will make the krogan want fewer offspring, and/or reduced fertility. Cultural change doesn't come overnight. Another problem is that if the salarians, for instance, try to phase the genophage out over a longer period of time, the krogan will still resent it because they still haven't got their reproductive autonomy back. Add that Wrex' power depends on the current setup.

This looks like a problem with no easy solution. Curing the genophage now has all the potential to end in disaster. The Reaper threat is, of course, more important, but I'll try to find a way around a cure.

[LilyasAvalon]

I understand why the genophage had to be implimented, but that doesn't mean I approve of how it's done or how low the fertility rate is.

The fertility rate is just really stupidly high for one thing. 1 in 1000 children? Overkill much, isn't it? Why not 100 in 1000? Still low, but not AS low.

Also, why does the genophage's working have to result in stillborn babies? Couldn't it work with just, lesser percentage of pregnancy rate rather? As a woman myself, as a woman who's studied in midwifery... Stillbirths frickin' suck. Now, imagine that's happening to your ENTIRE race? I don't know how Krogan's emotional/mental functions work, but it's safe to assume that is REALLY going to do a number on your species chances of wanting to evolve in a socially civil way.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 22 août 2011 - 07:11 .

[Drone223]

Yes and with Wrex's help they will prove usefull against the husk

Husk: *moans*
Krogan: *Krogan punchs husk*

[SkittlesKat96]

I probably will, Krogan ground shock troopers are apparently meant to be 'valuable' in ME 3.

Deep down though I kind of dislike the Krogan and would rather just let them be meatshields or something and let them extinct themselves. They might even be too stupid to realize they are extincting themselves, after all they are just too obsessed with fighting and war.

Its tough to say this but the Krogan being in space is a mistake. They should have never been given ships and been allowed to spread.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 22 août 2011 - 07:56 .

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I see no reason to cure it. The krogan are useless as an ally during the Reaper war and would only be a threat afterwards once the cure had taken effect.

Why do we care about Tuchanaka or this female at all?

I guess Bioware has made the decision for me though. How typical.

It was already hinted that the genophage data decision in ME2 was going to be irrelevant in the third game with Mordin saying he didn't teach Maelon everything and that he remembers what was in it.

[minsc0001]

No reason to cure it if Wrex is dead. Wreav and company will breed like hell and go to war with everybody when the Reapers are out of the way.

[Bcuz]

Nope.

[Brand New]

To be honest If It gets the Krogan on our side great, but in reality what the hell can the Krogans do for us? They aren't allowed to even build star ships never mind manufacture armor etc. They are a demilitarized zone.

Sure it is morally correct, but in reality the after effects generations down could be catastrophic. Considering I wouldn't doubt the obvious Batarian extinction since the Reapers have passed through there already unless. In this case why not allow the Krogans to simply occupy Batarian/Skylian Verge territory. They can inhabit many worlds and have no problem in theory. They can survive in ridiculous environments not to mention their bodies pretty much outgrew the genophage.

[GodWood]

To cure it is absolutely idiotic.

EDIT: Just read the thread and found out the majority are in favour of curing it...

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Will it help against the Reapers?
No, there will not be enough time to breed millions of krogan, get them to produce offspring, raise the offsping and then train the offspring to fight reapers.
A cloning facility is more efficient.

Are the krogan at the risk of extinction?
No, not more then any other species at the moment, and prior to Reaper invasion they're fine as well as the salarians are micromanaging their population levels.

Will it unite the krogan?
Not at all, AND no having Wrex in charge will not help. All you're doing is taking all power away from Wrex as his policies revolve around clans sharing their females to maintain peace.
Make all the females fertile and Wrex is no longer necessary.

Modifié par GodWood, 22 août 2011 - 08:34 .

[Ultai]

GodWood wrote...

To cure it is absolutely idiotic.

EDIT: Just read the thread and found out the majority are in favour of curing it...

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Will it help against the Reapers?
No, there will not be enough time to breed millions of krogan, get them to produce offspring, raise the offsping and then train the offspring to fight reapers.
A cloning facility is more efficient.

Are the krogan at the risk of extinction?
No, not more then any other species at the moment, and prior to Reaper invasion they're fine as well as the salarians are micromanaging their population levels.

Will it unite the krogan?
Not at all, AND no having Wrex in charge will not help. All you're doing is taking all power away from Wrex as his policies revolve around clans sharing their females to maintain peace.
Make all the females fertile and Wrex is no longer necessary.

This.  Also factor in an exhausted galaxy post war where the populations have taken major hits. In that scenario you have a cured krogan race to take advantage of the situation...and people are worried about potential human dominance?

Modifié par Ultai, 22 août 2011 - 08:52 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

But you know that huamans are EEEEVIL.

They must not domonate..EVER!

[Jessihatt]

I don't want to cure it.
As much as I love Wrex and think he is ready to be cured, I don't believe the krogan in general are ready to be cured.
If there was a way to put a cap on the amount of live young born or something, then yes. Although inhumane, I think the krogan would destroy the salarians after being cured and kill any other species who agreed with what happened to them.
Then again, if it's the only way to stop the reapers, it's not like we have a choice. The lesser of two evils as it were.

[HeavenStar]

Actually, the Krogan Princess may not be the cure at all, I think. Just a symbol perhaps, but not a cure, unless she's a scientist then maybe. There may not be a chance for the cure in ME3, or at least I haven't seen any information that implied that the cure will be present (but if anyone has it feel free to point out and link me to it).

IMO, I think it's still far from reaching a cure for genophage for now. Other than Saren's 'cure' which we can no longer access since it was destroyed in Virmire, the people who had any data regarding the genophage would be the salarians themselves (or maybe the Turians as well), neither of which I can see would be working towards finding the cure (except maybe Mordin, even then I'm not sure he'll be trying to find the cure at all). Even Maelon (Mordin's apprentice) who had access to information of the creation of the genophage was still working to find a cure for the genophage himself by further experimenting on both Krogan and human subjects, and now the data rests in Mordin's hands, who, again, might not be doing anything with it for a long time. So we might not be able to see the cure in ME3 at all.

However, saying that the cure might take a while to be made, it may not actually be necessary anymore if it takes too long. As Mordin pointed out, they HAD to reapply the genophage at least once (as far as my knowledge goes) already, as the Krogan adopted very quickly to the genophage. So, perhaps in a few decades or more, the Krogan birth rate might be climbing up on its own. Or perhaps it will take longer than that, at this point it's only my speculation, though I think it's very possible. But that's another issue entirely, just pointing out that there may be other possibilities that Shepard's intervention may or may not be needed, depending on what kind of decision each Shep wants to make.

[LGTX]

In my Wrex being alive playthrough, certainly. He'll make sure to keep the krogan in line, I trust him. With Wreav, I destroyed the cure anyway, and will push for suppressing the krogan any way I can in ME3.