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[SandTrout]

jreezy wrote...

Earth is part of the Galaxy, if you don't save the galaxy, or at least the majority of it, I'd say you could kiss Earth goodbye.

I'm clearly speaking in terms of 'the rest of' the galaxy here.

[Vexed Forest]

If I had to chose a world to sacrifice then the Batarian home world would go. Unless that was where the reapers first started their reaping. The Krogan home could go, as long as I get them evacuated.

[KotorEffect3]

Vexed Forest wrote...

If I had to chose a world to sacrifice then the Batarian home world would go. Unless that was where the reapers first started their reaping. The Krogan home could go, as long as I get them evacuated.

For now I am assuming that the Batarians are finished.  I of course could be wrong.

[SandTrout]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Vexed Forest wrote...

If I had to chose a world to sacrifice then the Batarian home world would go. Unless that was where the reapers first started their reaping. The Krogan home could go, as long as I get them evacuated.

For now I am assuming that the Batarians are finished.  I of course could be wrong.

We can only hope.

[Faolin]

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

[Dexi]

I don't care about the galaxy, including the humans.
They are all weak, petty and useless.
I'll conquer the Reapers and forge a new galaxy, one purposed to eternally serve me.

[KotorEffect3]

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Well said

[Gabey5]

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Shepard has been an alliance soldier his whole life, risking it it battle on many occasions for the Systems Alliance, protecting humanity is his first priority. Put humanity first, the other races will put their own people first as they should

[TobyHasEyes]

Gabey5 wrote...

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Shepard has been an alliance soldier his whole life, risking it it battle on many occasions for the Systems Alliance, protecting humanity is his first priority. Put humanity first, the other races will put their own people first as they should

Shepard also took up the role of Spectre, whose responsibilities are to protect all of Council space, with an implicit suggestion that protecting the galaxy as a whole is within their responsibilities

 Many people will have taken up the role of Spectre in ME2 again, so if we are to understand our loyalty and priority as being to those positions in which we have agreed to serve, then those who choose to respond to their responsibilities as Spectre are not being a traitor

 Furthermore, I don't remember seeing in the lore any suggestion that, when Shepard signed up to the Alliance, he signed an agreement to always when facing decisions put humanity first. Shouldn't put too much on speculation

[Nizzemancer]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

as well as Palevan, Tuchanka, etc....  If possible I will save what I can and only sacrifice a world if deemed necessary to stop the reapers.  That is the only  reason to sacrifice any world but that also means Earth is fair game if it stops the reapers.

The more planets you save the more p***y you get..

[Gabey5]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Shepard has been an alliance soldier his whole life, risking it it battle on many occasions for the Systems Alliance, protecting humanity is his first priority. Put humanity first, the other races will put their own people first as they should

 Furthermore, I don't remember seeing in the lore any suggestion that, when Shepard signed up to the Alliance, he signed an agreement to always when facing decisions put humanity first. Shouldn't put too much on speculation

enlisting in the Alliance is enough. For lore look at his/her background stories. Shepard and all the other soldiers are out there to put humanity's interests first as well as its defence. So lets say a move that would protect Thessia and Put Earth at risk would not jive well 

Modifié par Gabey5, 23 août 2011 - 02:58 .

[TobyHasEyes]

Gabey5 wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Shepard has been an alliance soldier his whole life, risking it it battle on many occasions for the Systems Alliance, protecting humanity is his first priority. Put humanity first, the other races will put their own people first as they should

 Furthermore, I don't remember seeing in the lore any suggestion that, when Shepard signed up to the Alliance, he signed an agreement to always when facing decisions put humanity first. Shouldn't put too much on speculation

enlisting in the Alliance is enough. For lore look at his/her background stories. Shepard and all the other soldiers are out there to put humanity's interests first as well as its defence. So lets say a move that would protect Thessia and Put Earth at risk would not jive well 

 I'm not saying that the Alliance would ever be happy about it, what I am saying is that by the events of ME3 I don't think the Alliance would have a legitimate moral claim to dictate Shepards actions, nor do I see come the events of ME3 Shepard having outstanding commitments to humanity which he is morally required to fulfil by choosing humanity over other species

[Fixers0]

I'm going to save neither of them, they had there usefullness, but not anymore.

why?

because the destruction of both worlds leas to a more powerfull systems Alliance.

[ThePwener]

Palaven - already conquered

Thessia - in the process of being conquered

Tuchanka - the Krogan can get a better planet

Earth - me and shepard homeplanet, nuff said

[Krunjar]

I can't believe people are arguing about what shepard believes. Surely the whole point of the multiple branching mass effect plot is that YOU FRIKKIN DECIDE THAT!

Modifié par Krunjar, 23 août 2011 - 03:12 .

[Someone With Mass]

SandTrout wrote...
Only if there was no other way, and even then simply because we still have our colonies, however small, so it would not necessarily imediately cause our extinction.

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

Not really. There are several other planets the humans can live on, like Terra Nova, Eden Prime, Elysium and so on.

Plus, Earth is suffering from severe climate changes and low resources.

I like to think that humanity in Mass Effect colonized other planets for that reason, in case something catastrophic happens to Earth, so humanity can survive and live on and not just for the hell of it.

By the way, if the choice comes to either save the galaxy or sacrifice Earth, I'll save the galaxy. The need of the many outweigh the need of the few, after all. Sacrifice billions to save trillions.

That's not a choice to me.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 23 août 2011 - 03:13 .

[lovgreno]

Saving both Earth and Thessia seems like the best plan to save humanity to me. Unless you absolutely must be the marysue race of superhumans that dominates everything and in that case decimating potential allies against the reapers may seem like a logical strategy. Well, each to their own.

[Cossack72]

I'm not saying I'd completely throw the Asari to the giant mechanical wolves, but I feel that their millenia long lifespan will play in their favor after the war, which is why I'm not too worried about what happens to Thessia. They'll rebuild.

[Dean_the_Young]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

What's with all these Thessia threads? Did I miss something?

BSN is starved for ME3 information, and has begun to eat itself

That is one thing I can actualy agree with you on.

Surely you can also agree that he has a dead-sexy profile pic.

[Dean_the_Young]

el master pr wrote...

I will save everyone, you guys just watch.

Where's the picture of that stupid little kid when you need it?

[Daviddolan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

What's with all these Thessia threads? Did I miss something?

Some people have been feeling genocidal lately this time they want to decimate the asari.

To be fair, the thread was about the Reapers that woudl decimate the asari.

I'd rather decimate the reapers

Would you not rather totally eradicate the Reapers?

I'm all for military plans involving blowing up the Reapers however I generally feel that the systematic destruction of only 10% of an enemy force whose sole intent is to wipe out all life in the galaxy is probably not going to promote the survival of mankind and all other life forms.

Modifié par Daviddolan, 23 août 2011 - 05:38 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Faolin wrote...

Still, if the option is Earth vs the Galaxy, and you don't choose Earth, you are a traitor.

This is one argument that drives me insane.

The definition of traitor is someone who turns against a thing or principle they had previously agreed in or promised allegience to.

So if the Illusive Man decided to blow up Earth, he would be a traitor. His values and actions indicate a commitment to human dominance, and he broke them. But someone isn't a traitor if they originally swore allegience to a completley different set of principles.

So if I am consistent in the belief that all sentient life is equal, and I act according to those values, then I am not a traitor. You can call me insane, or evil, but you can't call me a traitor. Because I never agreed, or prentended to agree, to sign up with the human-supremacist crowd in the first place.

Except it's not you.

It's Commander Shepard.

A person who has sworn oaths to the Alliance, oaths which have never been revoked or nullified by any other agency.

So if Commander Shepard lets the Alliance die for the sake of the greater galaxy... then yes, Commander Shepard (Systems Alliance: you know, where the 'commander' comes from) is the greatest betrayer in the history of mankind and possibly the galaxy.