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#101
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I feel like I have to say this, even if you sacrifice earth, humanity is not be destroyed, humanity will live on in the humans across the galaxy, on the colonies and the citadel, humanity lives in the people not the planet.

edit: I know most of you have been joking around and having fun with this but I just felt like that had to be said.



Same logic could be applied to the asari, probably even more so since they are more established outside of their homeworld.

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What if God came down and said you have a choice, i will kill your entire village, or i kill all the humans in the world, except those in your village.

Think long and hard.

Modifié par armass, 24 août 2011 - 12:42 .


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armass wrote...

What if God came down and said you have a choice, i will kill your entire village, or i kill all the humans in the world, except those in your village.

Think long and hard.


More like "I will kill your race or one of the dogs that pester your race."

Think long and hard.

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Barquiel wrote...

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Is it wrong to say I want to see asari slaughtered like dogs?


And some people wonder why I'd save the asari over humanity...


The reason you have such an idealized vision of the Asari is because you haven't visited THEIR web forums yet. You should not consider your opinions of them as valid as your opinions about humans until you've seen their equivalents of BSN, YouTube, or 4chan.

It is always easy to despise what you are familiar with and pin your hopes and dreams on a group of fantasy creatures dwelling in a remote inaccessible location. It is for this very reason that ideas like heaven, angels, and afterlife are so popular.

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armass wrote...

What if God came down and said you have a choice, i will kill your entire village, or i kill all the humans in the world, except those in your village.

Think long and hard.

I choose my village. A world full of people does me no good if my family and I are dead.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

The reason you have such an idealized vision of the Asari, is because you haven't visited THEIR web forums yet. You should not consider your opinions of them as valid as your opinions about humans, until you've seen their equivalents of BSN, or YouTube, or 4chan.

It is always easy to despise what you are familiar with and pin your hopes and dreams on a group of fantasy creatures dwelling in a remote inaccessible location. It is for this very reason that ideas like heaven, angels, and afterlife are so popular.

The anti-human xenophiles are an extreme example of Cultural Cringe.

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During the Rachni Wars a technological rachni population nearly managed to overwhelm the entire galaxy. They refused to negotiate, keeping their queens locked away on hostile worlds, deep below the ground. They were aggressive and utterly relentless.

Aha. They were actually unable to negotiate, thanks to incompatible languages. It's also interesting to note that this non-negotiation continued even after the rachni were wiped out. A rachni negotiating at all is an utterly unprecedented occurrence, even when circumstances had called for it earlier, speaking of a definite change.

The indoctrination argument doesn't hold up because if the rachni were ever a Reaper proxy race then Sovereign would have known where the Mu relay was.

Not necessarily. Sovereign wouldn't need to have knowledge of the position of every single relay that the rachni knew, especially if it didn't lead to anyplace of significance. And it's possible that not every rachni knew in the first place.

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Aha. They were actually unable to negotiate, thanks to incompatible languages.

A difficulty that would have been instantly overcome with the proximity of one enemy corpse to a Rachni Queen. You would think that with the millions (perhaps billions) that the Rachni had killed in the War, they would have at least kept one or two for this purpose.

That said, I believe we should spare the Queen. Their potential is simply too impressive to pass up. It is the same as activating Grunt & Legion and saving the Collector Base. You should never destroy what you might be able to use.

At the very least, even if the Rachni rises again to invade the galaxy, it is likely that Humanity will NOT take the blunt of the attack, for a variety of reasons.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 24 août 2011 - 01:00 .


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iOnlySignIn wrote...

At the very least, even if the Rachni rises again to invade the galaxy, it is likely that Humanity will NOT take the blunt of the attack, for a variety of reasons.

Also, it seems probable to me that we could beat the Rachni, as well.

The Krogan beat the Rachni wholesale. Pre-genophage Krogan > Rachni

The Turians stopped the Krogan in their advance and established a stalemate with the Krogan, before the genophage was deployed. Turians = Pre-genophage Krogan

During the first contact war, the Systems Alliance, mostly with hand-me-down ships from its parent nations, expelled the Turians from Shanxi during the first-contact war, and inflicted more casualties on the Turians than they did on us. Granted, the Turians had a lot more ships that they could call on. Humans have expanded both physically and militarily since First contact, and have at least a comprable military post BotC. Humans > Turians.

Therefore, I reason that Rachni < Humans.

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Also, it seems probable to me that we could beat the Rachni, as well.

I agree, if both are at their best.

However, if the Rachni hide in a remote location during the entire Reaper War, doing nothing but silently build up their forces while every other sentient race is being wiped out or severely weakened, and then show up with a fresh armada right after the Reapers are defeated, the situation can be quite chaotic.

Still it is a risk that I am willing to take. Logically the Rachni should regard Humans as *temporary (before they have enough forces to overwhelm the entire galaxy)* allies at the very least, if Shepard lets the Queen live. And Humanity could accomplish a lot with the Rachni within that window of opportunity. 

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I'm counting on the Rachni recognizing the Reapers as the greater threat, and therefor burning a comparable amount of their own forces.

I can always whip out my stashed-away genophage cure, as well, if the scales need tipping.

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SandTrout wrote...

I can always whip out my stashed-away genophage cure, as well, if the scales need tipping.

My thoughts exactly. :lol:

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the blue tentacle heads cant be trusted!!! let them burn:devil:

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It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.

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Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.

Who's renegade? I'm a paragon.

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Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.


The Paragon form is just as selective, my lady. Renegade is focused on accomplishment and self-preservation, Paragon is focused on self-righteousness and shamelessness.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.


The Paragon form is just as selective, my lady. Renegade is focused on accomplishment and self-preservation, Paragon is focused on self-righteousness and shamelessness.

*compares lists of accomplishments*
So it's the Renegades who are focused on accomplishment, you say?

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SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.

Who's renegade? I'm a paragon.

Me too. Or so the game tells me. What can I say? I like being nice.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.


The Paragon form is just as selective, my lady. Renegade is focused on accomplishment and self-preservation, Paragon is focused on self-righteousness and shamelessness.

*compares lists of accomplishments*
So it's the Renegades who are focused on accomplishment, you say?

He may say that, but I am saying that the only rational view to take is accomplishment and self-preservation, which are my goals, as a paragon.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

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What's with all these Thessia threads? Did I miss something?

Grab a chair,I wont make it too long


A long long time ago (couple days ago) someone made a thread about what species you would save in order of priority. asari ended up on the lower end of alot of peoples list,and that influenced someon to make a thread called "Would you seriously save the asari over humanity?",that went on for a bit and then another thread showed up "Thessia must be destroyed." which ened up sparking a mini-debate which pooped out this thread.

Thanks for the update, I was scratching my head for a minute.  Thessia should be important because of the Eezo and indoctrinate asari could be bad.  /Shrug   Not gonna get my hopes up of traveling from world from world expecting anything greater then new citedal/illum styled location to play in.

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furryrage59 wrote...

The galaxy can burn......as long as my Earth is still standing.



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SandTrout wrote...

armass wrote...

What if God came down and said you have a choice, i will kill your entire village, or i kill all the humans in the world, except those in your village.

Think long and hard.

I choose my village. A world full of people does me no good if my family and I are dead.


Now I get where you have been coming from....hmmmm...<_<

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Volus Warlord wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's interesting how clearly it's shown that the Renegade perspective on the greater good is so very selective.


The Paragon form is just as selective, my lady. Renegade is focused on accomplishment and self-preservation, Paragon is focused on self-righteousness and shamelessness.


Self righteous I get...but shamelessness?...:huh:

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I can't believe there are people that would let the rest of the planets and races burn to save Earth, while it's Shepard's (and ours) mother and home planet, it's just a little piece in the collage of the galactic community.

I will fight to the death to defend Earth but the trillions of sentient beings in the whole galaxy take a clear priority in my mind.

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I can't believe people can't tell the difference between just Thessia and the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 26 août 2011 - 12:26 .