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[Ambient_Disguise]

What the hell! Okay I love Mass Effect 2, so much so I was going to get myself an N7 tattoo...but then the writers wrote something in that is rather traumatic and wrong! Jack is a really sensitive damaged character, I wanted to be there for her but not be forced into that meaning sex! Tali is really nice and I wanted to be exclusive with her, but to do so meant being a complete ass to Jack...HOW COULD AN OPTION TO BE NICE TO THE DAMAGED PERSON BE COMPLETELY OVERLOOKED, HOW IS IT THAT A PERSON WHO HAS BEEN USED FOR SEX CAN ONLY BE LET DOWN SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ONLY TALKED TO THEM FOR THE INTENT OF SEX, WHEN YOUR PLAYING AS A GOOD GUY NO LESS?! Please tell me there is some way of avoiding this, or a patch is being made so your only options aren't forced sex or to abuse the abused?

[Jafroboy]

What? Just dont have sex with her, you dont have to abuse her, Geez.

[Sundance31us]

Middle dialogue options and you don't have to select every option presented; sometimes it's better just to end the dialogue.

[BentOrgy]

This is why I'm worried about the state of the current Mass Effect fanbase.

Learn to think outside the FPS box.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 22 août 2011 - 12:28 .

[Ambient_Disguise]

The option if I want to be exclusive with Tali is to break it off with Jack (which by the way I wouldn't have called it on with Jack) by either telling her you can't wait for her sex then telling her she's tough she'll soldier on, or won't wait to have sex with her and choose to explore other options...what about the middle of the road 'lets just be friends' option that most decent people would say, or as I have been a good guy all the way through a positive option like 'I care about you Jack but not in that way, being there for someone can be more than just sexual", or something like that? Your only options are to have sex with her (which you shouldn't be forced into) or treat her like trash (which you shouldn't be forced to do either)!

[Ambient_Disguise]

Also BentOrgy, not only am I a game designer the games I've worked on are either MMORPG's or components such as dialogue trees and character creators for RPG's, I wasn't going to reply back to you as with a name like that I assume you are a troll anyway, however for the sake of others reading this it's a good point to brush on so they may know where I'm coming from.

[eternalnightmare13]

Holy run on sentences, bat man!

[MrFob]

BentOrgy wrote...

This is why I'm worried about the state of the current Mass Effect fanbase.

Learn to think outside the FPS box.

No, have to agree with the OP on this one. I also fel in the Jack romance trap on my first playthrough. My paragon Shep was supposed to stay true to Liara but still wanted to help Jack out. Suddenly she stands in my quarters and I have only the option to roll with her or to be a complete jerk.
Lot's of people complained about that one. There is a thread around somewhere in this forum section that explains how to do it right but you have to be very careful (it involves not asking all the investigation options at some point) and IMO it is a shame that you have to metagame so hard in order to get it right.

[Sundance31us]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...
Holy run on sentences, bat man!

LOL

[Sundance31us]

When Jack says:

"You eyeing me up? Because if this is just about sex, maybe you should just f*cking say so."

• No, I want to get to know you. (Relationship)
• No thanks. (Friends)
• Yes, I want you. (Casual Sex)

To avoid a relationship you need to pick the middle option here.

[Golden Owl]

Sundance31us wrote...

When Jack says:

"You eyeing me up? Because if this is just about sex, maybe you should just f*cking say so."

• No, I want to get to know you. (Relationship)
• No thanks. (Friends)
• Yes, I want you. (Casual Sex)

To avoid a relationship you need to pick the middle option here.

[*]Is the option I always pick and I don't feel Shep is being hard on Jack or being a cad in any way when he says that.

[MrFob]

Yeah, that is fine but I (and many others as well) didn't interpret the upper option as a relationship option. Just because I am interested to get to know someone doesn't mean I want to get romantically involved.

Especially in Jacks case, I wanted to show her that there are people who care, who can care without wanting to have more than a friendship (which is obviously something she never experienced). With this approach, it is easy to fall into the romance trap.

Modifié par MrFob, 22 août 2011 - 03:30 .

[Sundance31us]

MrFob wrote...

Yeah, that is fine but I (and many others as well) didn't interpret the upper option as a relationship option. Just because I am interested to get to know someone doesn't mean I want to get romantically involved.

Especially in Jacks case, I wanted to show her that there are people who care, who can care without wanting to have more than a friendship (which is obviously something she never experienced). With this approach, it is easy to fall into the romance trap.

If you choose the top one Shepard says, "I'm in no hurry. I want to know what makes you tick, first."

The moment I heard that (my Shepard was being loyal to Liara) I reloaded and selected the second option.

[MrFob]

Oh ... really?
Hm, that is weird, that must have slipped by then somehow.
Still, the text option at least is rather misleading.

[DoNotIngest]

You talked to Jack?

[Sundance31us]

MrFob wrote...
Still, the text option at least is rather misleading.

I agree and wouldn't be surprised if they do something similar to what they did with DA2 to clarify the dialogue options.

[Esbatty]

Having played the first Mass Effect recently I tried to play "angry, b*tchy" femshep and she was surprisingly passive. Text options read like "****** Off" as a response and instead she was calmly dismissive. The text made it sound alot more angrier than what was spoken.

[BentOrgy]

Ambient_Disguise wrote...

Also BentOrgy, not only am I a game designer the games I've worked on are either MMORPG's or components such as dialogue trees and character creators for RPG's, I wasn't going to reply back to you as with a name like that I assume you are a troll anyway, however for the sake of others reading this it's a good point to brush on so they may know where I'm coming from.

Oh noez! He has a weird name! Let's all assume he's a shallow, baseless, pedestrian twit!  <_<

A game designer? Really? I suppose I haven't any platform to call you a liar, but if it is true, then you are either sorely misrepresenting your case (Somewhat inevitable, considering your overuse of CAPS, and the general tone of your post, not to mention that your problem was really quite simple.) or you need to go back to college.

And if that's the case, might I suggest AI? Because that's where I have been attending, for three years, majoring in game art and design. (Currently up for my midterm in hard surface modeling, woohoo.) So nice try with the "I'm a professional." tactic. Not that it was needed anyway, considering what your problem needed was just some extra time and effort.

I also find it quite odd that you though I was trolling, because in all honesty, I thought you were; given the situation you found yourself in, and the apparant lack of either perception, or incentive to rectify it. That, and the initial way you presented yourself, conspired to make me say "Troll thread."

I had no idea that this was a fairly (common?) problematic scene for people, considering I personally thought it was rather straight forward. As Sundance posted; the option is very clear.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 22 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[Raven4030]

Admittedly the "No, I want to get to know you" option is a little deceptive, since most of us live in a universe where 'getting to know' women doesn't automatically mean "I'm only pretending to care so I can mount them".

Also, as far as the neutral "No" option: in several playthroughs after selecting that I started a romance with Tali before going to chat up Jack again, and after I did she started acting like I was trying to romance her (dialogue goes "you make alot of stops").

[d1sciple]

this issue is found in a few other threads, where sheps choices are starkly black and white when in reality to the story and/or your character neither options fit. i ran through ME1 a few times before hitting ME2, so i had a good understanding of how the dialogue worked and by the time i got to jack it was easy to predict the outcomes of each option. it's a good system, i'm definitely not complaining but overall it works out like paragon=smart/renegade=dumb and that can get frustrating sometimes. so many choices, like your loyalty missions, are frustratingly simple, you get two polar opposite choices and most of the time neither one makes sense. the romance is similar, there's not alot of middleground, it's usually either choose to screw them and act like a dodgy ****** or choose not to and be a pretty negative dick about it.
short answer - obviously it's alot easier being bad, just screw everything that walks.

Modifié par d1sciple, 22 août 2011 - 11:26 .