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[GodWood]

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[Jessihatt]

GodWood wrote...

--> S/S Romance thread

It'd get lost in the shuffle.

I think Garrus and Tali make sense for s/s.
As you said, no love for Shep in ME1, and Garrus says he doesn't find humans attractive.
So he doesn't like Shepard for her looks, but for her brains and what she stands for. Ergo, gender shouldn't be an issue, at least for Garrus.
Tali said something about opening up her suit to my femshep.. which sounded mildly flirtatious, so I don't think it'd be that much of a stretch for Tali either. Not that I care if she is, I wouldn't romance her anyway. I don't understand the unconditional love lots of ME fans have for her. I don't hate her but she's not my favourite character by any means.

[Eski.Moe]

Hasn't been pretty much confirmed that Tali/Garrus romances were added in primarily as fanservice? So, I don't understand how any can claim that there was a grand plan to have them become LI later on as a refutation.

[GodWood]

CommanderJessica wrote...
Tali said something about opening up her suit to my femshep.. which sounded mildly flirtatious.

Tali's mother opened up her suit to Shala'Raan when she gave birth to Tali.
Opening suits need not equal hot lesbian sex, it's simply a sign of trust among friends.

[Comsky159]

What? did you think they were asexual? For me the origin of a romance is a little different to altering a characters sexual orientation. FYI while I was critical of the Garrus/Tali romances, I think Bioware got away with them. Just.  But it would be really excessive to have no romance option in the first game, introduce it in the second game and then after all that alter it without logical precedent in the third game.

Because I'm anticipating an "oh nos my immersion is ruined" reply. I'll say that in explicit relevance to this character it would be eroded significantly. The powers of the "suspension of disbelief" concept are not limitless.

Of course it won't happen though. Bioware aren't that foolish.

I think we can establish that if characters were bisexual, they would have approached both genders in ME2, after all the whole bisexual argument is based on the only personality matters ideology. (btw if I hear another
proposal for a “coming out of the closet subplot” in a traditional sci-fi epic...>:| )

But I’m sick of answering this question.

GodWood wrote...

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Сообщение изменено: Comsky159, 22 Август 2011 - 11:11 .

[Jessihatt]

GodWood wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...
Tali said something about opening up her suit to my femshep.. which sounded mildly flirtatious.

Tali's mother opened up her suit to Shala'Raan when she gave birth to Tali.
Opening suits need not equal hot lesbian sex, it's simply a sign of trust among friends.

I'm not saying it does and as I said, I don't care, I wouldn't take that route personally.
And Tali's mum needed to open her suit to give birth..?
I don't see why a Quarian would just open up their suit, risking illnesses and fever, just to prove a point.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I think if they want to do a S/S they can do it with a couple of characters, but I think with giving it to every character they'd be diluting the heterosexual bonds between the affected characters. Like with Male Shep and Garrus, for example, who are portrayed in the game's plot as basically becoming best frends from the first to second games. I really don't want to keep doing dialogue with Garrus to advance the plot, major or minor, only to realize I'm walking into a romance with Garrus and that this will keep happening if I keep talking to him. I don't want to be more than friends with him, I just want to talk to him.

Surely they could make a failsafe for this sort of thing, right? Like some kind of setup in the game settings that lets you pick and choose who is and isn't romanceable, so this issue never comes up?

[GodWood]

CommanderJessica wrote...
And Tali's mum needed to open her suit to give birth..?
I don't see why a Quarian would just open up their suit, risking illnesses and fever, just to prove a point.

Shala'Raan and Tali's mother synchronised suits so that they could be in the same clean room for Tali's birth.

[Jessihatt]

GodWood wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...
And Tali's mum needed to open her suit to give birth..?
I don't see why a Quarian would just open up their suit, risking illnesses and fever, just to prove a point.

Shala'Raan and Tali's mother synchronised suits so that they could be in the same clean room for Tali's birth.

I meanttttt, why would Tali open her suit for femshep, just to prove trust.

[Eski.Moe]

CommanderJessica wrote...

GodWood wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...
And Tali's mum needed to open her suit to give birth..?
I don't see why a Quarian would just open up their suit, risking illnesses and fever, just to prove a point.

Shala'Raan and Tali's mother synchronised suits so that they could be in the same clean room for Tali's birth.

I meanttttt, why would Tali open her suit for femshep, just to prove trust.

Perhaps it's simply that. It's the ultimate sign of trust for a Quarian and she's extending that to Shep. No need to dig into it much further. 

[Jessihatt]

Eski.Moe wrote...
Perhaps it's simply that. It's the ultimate sign of trust for a Quarian and she's extending that to Shep. No need to dig into it much further. 

I know, it just doesn't seem logical to me.

[GodWood]

CommanderJessica wrote...
I meanttttt, why would Tali open her suit for femshep, just to prove trust.

Ohh, ok.
Well she didn't say she will just that she would because she trusts her.

Or something like that....

[Kekkis]

CommanderJessica wrote...

GodWood wrote...

CommanderJessica wrote...
And Tali's mum needed to open her suit to give birth..?
I don't see why a Quarian would just open up their suit, risking illnesses and fever, just to prove a point.

Shala'Raan and Tali's mother synchronised suits so that they could be in the same clean room for Tali's birth.

I meanttttt, why would Tali open her suit for femshep, just to prove trust.

People do weird stuff to prove things. Its tied to culture.

[crimzontearz]

Tali was meant to be a LI in ME1 but was cut because, and I quote" no one would have wanted to romance a girl with chicken feet". For that matter S/S romances lines were written for both Kaiden and Ashley but never recorded for some reason. Kaiden and Ashley were established as heterosexual....and yes I dig that they COULD have been bi but not ready to make it clear but that just sounds like a silly, convenient, explanation to me to make everyone Shep-sexual

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Rojahar wrote...

DaftArbiter wrote...

I think if they want to do a S/S they can do it with a couple of characters, but I think with giving it to every character they'd be diluting the heterosexual bonds between the affected characters. Like with Male Shep and Garrus, for example, who are portrayed in the game's plot as basically becoming best frends from the first to second games. I really don't want to keep doing dialogue with Garrus to advance the plot, major or minor, only to realize I'm walking into a romance with Garrus and that this will keep happening if I keep talking to him. I don't want to be more than friends with him, I just want to talk to him.

What about those female players who felt the same way about Garrus? Again, how is say... Kaiden or Miranda being an S/S LI in ME3 any different than in ME2 Tali being an LI for MaleShep or Garrus being an LI for FemShep?

There isn't any difference. I just want an excuse to limit the number of romances a little bit so I don't have to intentionally avoid conversation without locking in with them when I'm just trying to talk. On the other hand, if you're locked in a relationship with someone from ME2, maybe that's not even an issue and this S/S thing is for people who want to start over or don't have a romance from the first/second games.

[Comsky159]

crimzontearz wrote...

Tali was meant to be a LI in ME1 but was cut because, and I quote" no one would have wanted to romance a girl with chicken feet". For that matter S/S romances lines were written for both Kaiden and Ashley but never recorded for some reason. Kaiden and Ashley were established as heterosexual....and yes I dig that they COULD have been bi but not ready to make it clear but that just sounds like a silly, convenient, explanation to me to make everyone Shep-sexual

You know if it's done well most would be willing to accept Ashley and Kaidan altering their orientation, because the time which has elapsed, in conjunction with the rather emotional and gender-homogenous horizon scene makes it believable, or at least not totally unbelievable.

Any romances which were initiated in ME2 however, in my mind are out of the question. It would really jar with me; people can only suspend their disbelief with character consistency to a limited extent.

[Rome1931]

Kekkis wrote...

People do weird stuff to prove things. Its tied to culture.

Heh heh. "Tied".

[Someone With Mass]

Can't people just make a Shepard for each gender instead?

[LGTX]

The lore and character traits didn't dictate who was interested in Shepard and who was not in previous games. The Tali and Garrus argument is a little loose since they were made LIs purely because of the fanbase, not because of character development. Same thing with S/S. It's something that was demanded a lot, so it can be incorporated without much lore explanations. People will either deal with it or not, but that's not something I want to argue about.

[Arkitekt]

The solution is simple: just have Vega and Liara be SS.

Let Kaidan and Ashley continue their limited sexual viewpoints (ah I jest, I'm also limited in this way!)

Problem?

[Arkitekt]

Else, you could have Zaeed as a LI for male shep only. That would be a blast!

[LGTX]

Zaeed willl never betray Jessie.