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[SirKillsalot]

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

[LGTX]

SirKillsalot wrote...

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

The number of problems it would solve would be far outweighted by the number of problems it would cause.

[Arkitekt]

Shepard is not "canon" anything. He's not even canonicly male or female! He even has three possible backstories!

This is a role playing game, not a movie. Get a grip.

[corrin1984]

Whole thing is, we're assuming that each character... or more than 1 or 2 characters will be LI that are S/ optionsS. DragonAge Origins had one S/S male and one S/S female option(unless you modded it, in which case well, everybody plays!).

As far as who was "meant" to be? I don't really care. Garrus admitting he's gay isn't really something that I think is a betrayal to the character, tons of people hide their orientation. While I do believe that each person should play their Shepard as he or she sees fit, it's up to Bioware to direct how other characters act depending on our actions. If Ashley like Female Shepard cool more power to her. If Jacob just isn't into dudes, well that's fine, that's Biowares call. It's their lore and game after all.

Honestly, I think that it's probably going to be Vega and some NPC LI's for S/S male characters and Ashley and some NPC LI's for S/S female characters. I guess you could throw Miranda into the ring too on the female side, but then honestly I'd feel they'd have to "balance it out", which may be a little forced. Though, I seriously think that there is going to be quite a few NPCs that Shepard can have a LI with. The Asari woman from Feros, Emily Wong, Joker, Dr. Chakwas, the Noveria investigator. These are characters to be on the lookout for.

[Reptillius]

Honestly. with the exception of a couple. I'd like to see most of the LI's stay as they are... jack is one I wouldn't mind see change simply because she outright states she can go either way and in fact has on many occassions. But you can only romance her as a Male in ME2.

the other would be Kaiden/Ashley... We don't know what these two have been up to in the years between ME1 and ME2 and both of them in ME1 go part way through their kind of flirtatious stuff and just stop if your suddenly not the right sex. Now I understand some people will flirt and not mean for it to go anywhere but at the same time both of them also bring up the fraternization thing and eventually break that as well.

the rest I see no reason to change them to potential S/S interests because they had room to do that and most of them are pretty straight forward on what they want and what they like.

[GreenSoda]

Thing is Tali/Garrus were a blank state when it came to their sexuality in ME1. That gap got filled in ME2 when it was established that they actually *are* attracted to Shephard. And they even made a destinction between gender (they would flirt with the opposite gendered Shep but not with their same-gender counterpart).

...thus introducing any of the already established LI's as s/s romance in ME3 would be kind of a retcon (aside from Liara) as their sexuality has actually already been established.

Bearbeitet von GreenSoda, 22 August 2011 - 01:03 .

[shepskisaac]

GreenSoda wrote...

Thing is Tali/Garrus were a blank state when it came to their sexuality in ME1.

Says who? An interpretation that they were asexual and 'retconned' into heterosexual is not vaild exactly why?

Ohh BTW, all the characters are also blank state when it comes to same-sex attraction.

SirKillsalot wrote...

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

I've never understoof why Shepard can't simply be canonicly gay. Would solve alot of problems.

Bearbeitet von IsaacShep, 22 August 2011 - 01:07 .

[GreenSoda]

IsaacShep wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

Thing is Tali/Garrus were a blank state when it came to their sexuality in ME1.

Says who? An interpretation that they were asexual and 'retconned' into heterosexual is not vaild exactly why?

Ohh BTW, all the characters are also blank state when it comes to same-sex attraction.

Ehh "says who" ? Well the game itself of course. Tali's and Garrus sexuality was simply not touched upon in ME1. The writers simply didn't define wether T or G were interested in Shephard or in sex in general. A blank state.

In ME2 they decided to address that. Tali and Garrus were defined as being attracted to opposite gendered Shephard.

Your interpretation is simply something you made up in your mind but is not really rooted in canon. That's fine of course. Just not canon.

[RenegadeXV]

I'd prefer is the S/S reomances stayed with:

Ashley
Kaidan
Jack
Liara
Vega

One thing I don't want is the majority of characters turning gay.

[shepskisaac]

GreenSoda wrote...
Ehh "says who" ? Well the game itself of course. Tali's and Garrus sexuality was simply not touched upon in ME1. The writers simply didn't define wether T or G were interested in Shephard or in sex in general. A blank state.

The writers didn't define whether other characters (including T & G) are interested in same-sex either. So it's a blank state as well and if they writers want it, any of these characters could be an s/s option in ME3.

[SirKillsalot]

IsaacShep wrote...

SirKillsalot wrote...

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

I've never understoof why Shepard can't simply be canonicly gay. Would solve alot of problems.

I think we both know that would open a whole new can of worms for Bioware. No way woulkd that solve anything.

[GreenSoda]

IsaacShep wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...
Ehh "says who" ? Well the game itself of course. Tali's and Garrus sexuality was simply not touched upon in ME1. The writers simply didn't define wether T or G were interested in Shephard or in sex in general. A blank state.

The writers didn't define whether other characters (including T & G) are interested in same-sex either. So it's a blank state as well and if they writers want it, any of these characters could be an s/s option in ME3.

Yes. Very true. *That* would work. The doc, Joker, Wrex (I guess) and all the non-romanceable NPCs in ME2, as well.

Just not the already established romances (minus Liara)...and that includes T & G.

Bearbeitet von GreenSoda, 22 August 2011 - 01:20 .

[LGTX]

You can't see a similar can just waiting to be burst open if what YOU suggest comes to pass?

EDIT: directed to SirKillsalot

Bearbeitet von LGTX, 22 August 2011 - 01:22 .

[shepskisaac]

GreenSoda wrote...

Yes. Very true. *That* would work. The doc, Joker, Wrex (I guess) and all the non-romanceable NPCs in ME2, as well.

Just not the already established romances (minus Liara)...and that includes T & G.

No. Including other characters as well. Your argument is that if the writers haven't established anything, then it's possible (for example Tali & Garrus becoming LIs in ME2). Well guess what, they have NOT established yet whether the characters are into same-sex or not. So they can be s/s LIs in ME3. Your logic, simple.

[BubbleSauce]

GreenSoda wrote...

Ehh "says who" ? Well the game itself of course. Tali's and Garrus sexuality was simply not touched upon in ME1. The writers simply didn't define wether T or G were interested in Shephard or in sex in general. A blank state.

In ME2 they decided to address that. Tali and Garrus were defined as being attracted to opposite gendered Shephard.

The fact that they were only available for straight romance in mass effect 2 doesn't prove anything, they could bi, and just haven't come out yet, they weren't defined as anything, many bisexual people (myself included) live by the ethos "If I fall in love with a man, then I fall in love with a man, if I fall in love with a women, then I fall in love with a women"

[marstor05]

Who cares who's gay or Straight? We've got a universe to save people. Plenty of time for schnoo schnoo when we're saved.

[BubbleSauce]

marstor05 wrote...

Who cares who's gay or Straight? We've got a universe to save people. Plenty of time for schnoo schnoo when we're saved.

lol, schnoo schnoo, that's a great term for it...

[Zyandrel]

GreenSoda wrote...

Thing is Tali/Garrus were a blank state when it came to their sexuality in ME1. That gap got filled in ME2 when it was established that they actually *are* attracted to Shephard. And they even made a destinction between gender (they would flirt with the opposite gendered Shep but not with their same-gender counterpart).

...thus introducing any of the already established LI's as s/s romance in ME3 would be kind of a retcon (aside from Liara) as their sexuality has actually already been established.

As a woman, playing fem shep I was completely surprised at how blatant the signs were that Tali was actually crushing on femshep.  Her various comments, especially near the end, such as her blushing, and the body language that follows, were almost like road signs saying "I'm into you".

I'm not a Talimancer but if you read between the lines, yes, Tali does actually seem to show some level of attraction to femshep that is beyond platonic.

Edit:  As for saying "Well they were straight in ME2", Tali apparently didn't have feelings for Shep during ME1.  This was changed.  With Garrus and Tali, what is stopping them from just saying "It took me a little while, but I came to terms with my feelings for you.".  Also, Turians are confirmed to have gays in their race (Captain Gavorn).

Bearbeitet von Zyandrel, 22 August 2011 - 01:37 .

[Darth Death]

SirKillsalot wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

SirKillsalot wrote...

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

I've never understoof why Shepard can't simply be canonicly gay. Would solve alot of problems.

I think we both know that would open a whole new can of worms for Bioware. No way woulkd that solve anything.

There wouldn't be these unproductive discussions if Shep were straight from the get go, that's for sure. What SirKillsalot said is logical & effective. 

[BubbleSauce]

Darth Death wrote...

SirKillsalot wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

SirKillsalot wrote...

I've never understood why Shepard can't simply be canonicly straight. Would solve alot of problems.

I've never understoof why Shepard can't simply be canonicly gay. Would solve alot of problems.

I think we both know that would open a whole new can of worms for Bioware. No way woulkd that solve anything.

There wouldn't be these unproductive discussions if Shep were straight from the get go, that's for sure. What SirKillsalot said is logical & effective. 

Are you forgetting that it's a role playing game? People should be able to make their shepard gay if they want to.

[Chewin]

BubbleSauce wrote...
Are you forgetting that it's a role playing game? People should be able to make their shepard gay if they want to.

Yes but most people seem to think that everyone elses Shepard is similiar to theirs.

[Zkyire]

CommanderJessica wrote...

GodWood wrote...

--> S/S Romance thread

It'd get lost in the shuffle.

I think Garrus and Tali make sense for s/s.
As you said, no love for Shep in ME1, and Garrus says he doesn't find humans attractive.
So he doesn't like Shepard for her looks, but for her brains and what she stands for. Ergo, gender shouldn't be an issue, at least for Garrus.
Tali said something about opening up her suit to my femshep.. which sounded mildly flirtatious, so I don't think it'd be that much of a stretch for Tali either. Not that I care if she is, I wouldn't romance her anyway. I don't understand the unconditional love lots of ME fans have for her. I don't hate her but she's not my favourite character by any means.

All the more reason for the Garrus romance to never have happened.

I don't get the connection of "I respect you Shepard.. so let's bang.. even though I find all you humans kinda gross"

[RenegadeXV]

CommanderJessica wrote...
As you said, no love for Shep in ME1, and Garrus says he doesn't find humans attractive.
So he doesn't like Shepard for her looks, but for her brains and what she stands for. Ergo, gender shouldn't be an issue, at least for Garrus.

I don't think it's fair to use that logic for both a Male and Female relationship.

The fact that Shepard is Female during that romance may have played a big part. As far as we know, Garrus is attracted to Females. That may have helped his decision as far as the FemShep romance goes. 

Bearbeitet von COGNiTiON 1, 22 August 2011 - 03:14 .