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[darkangelvxvx]

I assume it's human-like, hopefully.... <.<;;

Since well, ya know Sexually similar to humans... and all

[Sundance31us]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Use it (I want to see it). And besides, it's not like Talimancers are going to do anything.

[darkangelvxvx]

XD that's awesome!!


I dont consider myself a talimancer... more of a Kirk aspirant.  To boldly go... and nail... all known living species in the galaxy that look sorta human.

Modifié par darkangelvxvx, 23 août 2011 - 01:21 .

[shepskisaac]

darkangelvxvx wrote...

I assume it's human-like, hopefully.... <.<;;

I've got the luxury of knowing exactly what Kaidan has down there, no unpleasant surprises for my Shep

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 août 2011 - 01:24 .

[RiouHotaru]

Sundance31us wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...
*snip*

Another reason not to play femShep.

Don't say that anywhere in the vicinity of the Garrus-fangirls over in their thread.  They will RUIN you for that.

[Sundance31us]

darkangelvxvx wrote...
I dont consider myself a talimancer... more of a Kirk aspirant.  To boldly go... and nail... all known living species in the galaxy that look sorta human.

"Good luck, Captain. I think you are about to go where everyone has gone before." Ivanova, B5: Voices of Authority :innocent:

[darkangelvxvx]

XD


and I've learned my lesson about dealing with fangirls and their sick and twisted fantasies.... just... dont do it  *holds up my bloody nub of a hand* trust me.

Modifié par darkangelvxvx, 23 août 2011 - 01:28 .

[jlb524]

darkangelvxvx wrote...
The valid reason I see for "team Dextro" to be non-homosexual is that... well in Garrus' point of view, he'd be in more constant contact with levo-protein with less of an ability to protect himself form it. Also I dont think he has the proper... *ahem* equipment? for said homosexual interactions. Moreover... if you were a guy would you.. really... want those teeth near you? All kidding aside, I'd assume Garrus would be more birdlike in his orgins similar to a Salarian and posessing a Cloaca rather than a rectum.

Same could be said for hetero Garrus. 

darkangelvxvx wrote...
As for Tali, she is the daughter of an Admiral, much is expected from her.

Yes its true she's romancable by a human, however that specific human is actually accepted into the flotilla as "her ships captain."

Same could be said of FemShep.

darkangelvxvx wrote...
Even if not She and Shepard can actually have children is speculative, however, because a Quarian's "sexual dimorphism (or appearance) is similar to humans," its may be actually likely for them to be able to produce a child, just not a healthy one.

Doubt it...even if that were true, why would you want to produce an unhealthy mutant child?

darkangelvxvx wrote...
Simple exchanges between men and women of bodily fluids can be prevented, but woman and woman would seem to sterilize the situation, leading to a negative sexual experience, leaving it, not "totally worth it." Moreover, the sheer mechanics of Lesbian sex would be a much higher risk for her than to be presented with heterosexual intercourse with shep, due to a more.. oral... approach. There's also the risk of tearing skin on internal skin. Tali getting injuries on the inside and sweat getting into the tears of an under protected hand, even humans have difficulty stopping bleeding "Down there" when things go ary, one would assume, it would be worse for her, with much greater risks.

No oral, no kissing, damn...Tali is doomed to a life of unsatisfactory sex. 

darkangelvxvx wrote...
We all know she got ill from the first encounter, it could be more or less dramatic if it was female to female.

Now I wonder why I opted to post in this thread again.

[aiDvEoN]

I'm a Tali fan and by god, that image was gold.

As for team Dextro as s/s options, I really don't know about Garrus. I don't know how the heck it could be written, but given the fact that the het relationship for him is focused on it being Shepard, not on race, I don't see it being 'betrayal'. Yes, this means its a Shepardsexual relationship. Deal with it, there's no getting around the team Dextro romances being fanservice anyway. Although if that makes enjoying them wrong, I don't want to be right.

As for my favourite quarian, different story. As far as I can tell, and given her youth and upbringing, this is her first real relationship. Her sexuality isn't anywhere near established, especially if quarian culture is as heteronormative as our own. Given that she's already having to wrap her head around being attracted to someone of a different species and her own massive insecurities, it makes sense that she's going to be even more reserved about the whole thing and not say anything if we add in the factor of it being same sex.

Oh, and there isnt pressure to breed for quarians, they have a policy of zero population growth, quite the opposite.

[darkangelvxvx]

You doubt that my speculation on whether or not they could have a child is speculative?

[ADLegend21]

ah this thread jsut shows how hypocritical people can be. "Whaaa I ant tali and garrus romanceable" *Gets that* "Yay chaacter development" "What you want Tali and Garrus to be romancable with same sex Shepard? No that'd kill their character, Femshep is biologically incompatable with tali and So is male shep with Garrus, that's not true for opposite though so that's okay."

[ItsPhilsTime]

ADLegend21 wrote...

ah this thread jsut shows how hypocritical people can be. "Whaaa I ant tali and garrus romanceable" *Gets that* "Yay chaacter development" "What you want Tali and Garrus to be romancable with same sex Shepard? No that'd kill their character, Femshep is biologically incompatable with tali and So is male shep with Garrus, that's not true for opposite though so that's okay."

I really don't care if they do or not, i dont like my same sex so no i aint going to do it but i really dont care wat they do, but when that guy was answering questions couple days ago his face just said he doesnt wat to do it.

[darkangelvxvx]

Do you really want me to go through the whole speculation about their sexual orgins fluids and Garrus face again?


It's not "AS" true, because female condums just suck

Modifié par darkangelvxvx, 23 août 2011 - 01:47 .

[sedrikhcain]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Any character becoming bi is not a retcon. Neither are the Tali and Garrus romances.

I disagree with this. In the first game, there were two romance options for all sheps, male or female: hetero human and omnisexual alien. That's it. None of the other characters were ever even considered for romances. Yes, if you build a back story for them, they're going to have some sort of sexuality but, no matter what it is, gay/straight/bi, it's pretty much the definition of something that is shoehorned in and retconned for fan service because none of this expanded universe of romance options was originally envisioned as a part of the game. This obsession with romances and trying to make them political arguing points -- on all sides -- makes more of the romance element than the game was ever intended to have. It's fan service, via retcon.

That's not necessarily a bad thing but let's not be naive about it.

[darkangelvxvx]

"omnisexual" Best.... Word... EVER......


OF ALL TIME

[darthnick427]

Tali as S/S makes sense for me and i would be fine with it. Garrus has always seemed hetero to me, but would I be outraged if he was S/S? No i wouldn't. As long as he didn't pull an Anders and hit on me. You should have to initiate the romance like you do with femshep. Then I'd be fine with it. It is not a character betrayal in my eyes because they have never flat out stated their sexuality.

[shepskisaac]

sedrikhcain wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Any character becoming bi is not a retcon. Neither are the Tali and Garrus romances.

I disagree with this.

The you don't even understand what a retcon is. Retcons contradict and change established events/facts from the past. It would be a retcon if, for example, Ashley said in ME1 "I totally don't like females" and then in ME3 she said "I always loved females and never said I didn't". Direct & complete contradiction, two statements/events/facts that can't co-exist in the same universe & logic. Bisexual Ashley doesn't contradict anything. She never said anything that would make it impossible for her to be bisexual if that's what BW intends to reveal.

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
None of the other characters were ever even considered for romances.

Yes they were. Ash & Kaidan would've been available for s/s romance in ME1 if it wasn't for the time constraints.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 août 2011 - 02:21 .

[Sundance31us]

For reference:

Fanservice:
Generally any situation or scene in a movie, cartoon, comic, or even real life in which a scene is done specifically to cater to what the fans want to see, divorced from a plot or any other non-catering need.
http://www.urbandict...term=fanservice

Customer Service:
Customer service is a series of activities designed to enhance the level of customer satisfaction – that is, the feeling that a product or service has met the customer expectation.
http://en.wikipedia....ice#cite_note-0

[Rinji the Bearded]

sedrikhcain wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Any character becoming bi is not a retcon. Neither are the Tali and Garrus romances.

I disagree with this. In the first game, there were two romance options for all sheps, male or female: hetero human and omnisexual alien. That's it. None of the other characters were ever even considered for romances. Yes, if you build a back story for them, they're going to have some sort of sexuality but, no matter what it is, gay/straight/bi, it's pretty much the definition of something that is shoehorned in and retconned for fan service because none of this expanded universe of romance options was originally envisioned as a part of the game. This obsession with romances and trying to make them political arguing points -- on all sides -- makes more of the romance element than the game was ever intended to have. It's fan service, via retcon.

That's not necessarily a bad thing but let's not be naive about it.

No.

"Retroactive continuity (often shortened to retcon) is an oxymoron that refers to the alteration of previously established facts in a fictional work."  -- Wikipedia

Adding something in a game for fanservice, but not contradicting previous established facts (in this case, Garrus's and Tali's sudden feelings for Shepard) is not a retcon.  A lack of fact (in this case, Tali and Garrus's sexuality and/or feelings towards Shepard) is not a fact.  Even if they were to say "No Shepard, I will never have feelings for you," their developed feelings for Shepard in ME2 would still not be a retcon. 

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 août 2011 - 02:29 .

[marshalleck]

Sundance31us wrote...

For reference:

Fanservice:
Generally any situation or scene in a movie, cartoon, comic, or even real life in which a scene is done specifically to cater to what the fans want to see, divorced from a plot or any other non-catering need.
http://www.urbandict...term=fanservice

Customer Service:
Customer service is a series of activities designed to enhance the level of customer satisfaction – that is, the feeling that a product or service has met the customer expectation.
http://en.wikipedia....ice#cite_note-0

BSN is nothing if not a haven of degenerate subjectivism. Words mean whatever you want them to mean, whatever you need them to mean.

[darkangelvxvx]

fun time image again

For some reason, "Murder hole,"  comes to mind this time

[sedrikhcain]

IsaacShep wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Any character becoming bi is not a retcon. Neither are the Tali and Garrus romances.

I disagree with this.

The you don't even understand what a retcon is. Retcons contradict and change established events/facts from the past. It would be a retcon if, for example, Ashley said in ME1 "I totally don't like females" and then in ME3 she said "I always loved females and never said I didn't". Direct & complete contradiction, two statements/events/facts that can't co-exist in the same universe & logic. Bisexual Ashley doesn't contradict anything. She never said anything that would make it impossible for her to be bisexual if that's what BW intends to reveal.

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
None of the other characters were ever even considered for romances.

Yes they were. Ash & Kaidan would've been available for s/s romance in ME1 if it wasn't for the time constraints.

Actually, yes I do understand "retcon", both what it orginally meant and the usage that you, and many others on this board, have now adopted. What it originally meant was exactly what I described: not the item that was changed but a bogus, after-the-fact explanation that was never part of what was originally envisioned. In the original sense, it is the after-the-fact explanation that is a retcon, not the feature and not -- as you and others on here use it -- any and every change and evolution from one game to the next.

Also, I'm well aware of what ended up on the cutting room floor but that's pointless in discussing what was in the original story. What I consider to be part of the original game is what was actually in the original game, not what was once considered or chopped or whatever. In Miranda's original conception, she was a natural blonde with a Scandinavian surname, does that mean that's an acutal part of her character, too? Of course not.

And finally, since I know you spend a lot of time here doing what you consider championing gay/bi rights, let me add that my intent here isn't to slight anyone's sexuality. I think the full content of my post should make that clear but I'm going to state it outright anyway. I'm just tired of people acting like any of these options -- including the original ones for that matter -- were done for any reason other than fan service. It's a small titilation added to a video game, not BioWare's political manifesto, anymore than blonde femshep was their attempt to  -- depending on who you talk to -- champion or demean women.