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[Rinji the Bearded]

bioticfu wrote...

@Rinhji
No, I never said they would get your story right. I meant to make mention that the media will treat it as such. Climb down off your morally postulated ambiguously gay high horse for a second and realize that.

> Assuming that Bioware has chosen to bow down to the anti-gay sentiment in the media.  S/S is already confirmed in ME3 so what are you getting at?

I was a straight person until I saw Kaidan macking on my manshep, now I'm full blown out gay and spreading STDs everywheeere omggg.  Video games are to blame!

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 août 2011 - 02:16 .

[bioticfu]

as I said prior... there will be political, commercial, media blackouts headlined towards the game's standpoint, just like there always are. the game will be forbidden in other countries due to this. Really? You're not getting that from this ever increasingly pleasant conversation we're having?


Like, TV shows viceo games have never suffered massive political "****-fan" incidents due to this?  Really?  Do you live under a rock?  Tv show's video games have been cancelled  because of this.  It's happened, will happen again and will continue to happen.

I support the gay/homosexual community, But when it puts me at risk of not being able to play games or watch shows I want to watch, I say they cross the line.

Modifié par bioticfu, 23 août 2011 - 02:17 .

[Therefore_I_Am]

IsaacShep wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

It doesn't take a mind reader to see how the testosterone laden young uns will react to see that option, even if it's just an option. They are young, they are ignorant, and they will overreact. This is what makes up the majority of the ME fanbase, and all of those people do not visit the BSN regularly. If you don't picture them overreacting, and think they will act sensible, than you are naive.
The ME3 and the ME series as a whole will get a severe backlash from outside this community if such drastic changes are made. Would not be surprised if another "FOX news" incident will happen, if not on actual TV than it will appear in articles from all over. And it WILL have an effect on potential customers.

No it WON'T and stop trying to post it as a fact, seriously dude, everyone knows it's just your little tactic to scare BioWare off BioWare. Another Fox News incident, articles from all over, returned games, what else? Ohh right, they will cuff themselves to the main door at BioWare HQs in Edmonton and demand removal of gay content? LOLOLOL

....Or they will simply not buy the game. And tell their friends and their friends will tell their friends not to buy it because their faveorite characters from the previous installments are swinging to the other side. Even if it's implemented as an option, even if the romance takes a series of obvious dialog choices, the misinformed playerbase will blow it out of proportion no matter what. Look at DA2, it went downhill by word of mouth alone; many players read reviews before playing the game. ANd it wasn't just because of the gameplay.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 23 août 2011 - 02:28 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

bioticfu wrote...

as I said prior... there will be political, commercial, media blackouts headlined towards the game's standpoint, just like there always are. the game will be forbidden in other countries due to this. Really? You're not getting that from this ever increasingly pleasant conversation we're having?

You act like ME3 will be the first BW game with homosexual content.  And it isn't, I assure you.  DA2 was probably the most outspoken about it and I haven't really seen the media explode over that content yet.   Unless I'm missing something.

Your paranoia is hilarious.   Name some specific examples, because SIMS getting banned in strict countries like Singapore and China isn't really convincing me, guy.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 août 2011 - 02:23 .

[shepskisaac]

bioticfu wrote...

No political blowback with The Sims?! HA!!

That's rich! The game was not shipped to some countries simply do to that homosexual game content was featured in the game!

Really? Which countries? And how much EA lost in on sales in these markets? C'mon, facts and figures, no empty claims.

[leggywillow]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
....Or they will simply not buy the game. And tell their friends and their friends will tell their friends not to buy it because their faveorite characters from the previous installments are swinging to the other side. Even if it's implemented as an option, even if the romance takes a series of obvious dialog choices, the misinformed playerbase will blow it out of proportion no matter what. Look at DA2, it went downhill by word of mouth alone; many players read reviews before playing a game.

Yeah, just like when Fox News tore Mass Effect 1 apart for depicting sex scenes and corrupting the youth, so all the parents boycotted the game and refused to let their children play such filth, causing the first game to completely tank in sales and---oh wait.  That didn't happen.

[Therefore_I_Am]

leggywillow wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
....Or they will simply not buy the game. And tell their friends and their friends will tell their friends not to buy it because their faveorite characters from the previous installments are swinging to the other side. Even if it's implemented as an option, even if the romance takes a series of obvious dialog choices, the misinformed playerbase will blow it out of proportion no matter what. Look at DA2, it went downhill by word of mouth alone; many players read reviews before playing a game.

Yeah, just like when Fox News tore Mass Effect 1 apart for depicting sex scenes and corrupting the youth, so all the parents boycotted the game and refused to let their children play such filth, causing the first game to completely tank in sales and---oh wait.  That didn't happen.

You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

[shepskisaac]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Look at DA2, it went downhill by word of mouth alone; many players read reviews before playing a game. And it wasn't just because of the gameplay.

Yes it was because of gameplay. When the gameplay's good, people don't give a crap about any gay content, just look at the sales of The Sime, Fable, Dragon Age Origins etc.

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

It doesn't to people like you, and there are few like you, sorry to break it to you. The majority, don't care. Simple. You'll have to deal with it. The world's moving on, if you wanna stay behind, that's your choice but if you think you can make the rest of the world stay with you, you're wrong.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 août 2011 - 02:29 .

[leggywillow]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

Mass Effect has had homosexuality since the very, very beginning.  If homosexuality truly shocked and horrified these people, they would have thrown the game aside in disgust years ago.  Unless you're saying lesbians don't count, which is just hypocritical in the extreme.  And just because there are hypocritical morons out there doesn't mean BW needs to cater to them.  I promise you, it won't hurt their sales a bit.  Just watch.

EDIT: Also, you used Dragon Age 2 as an example of homosexual content hurting sales... uh, are you forgetting about Origins?

Modifié par leggywillow, 23 août 2011 - 02:30 .

[Luigitornado]

IsaacShep wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

If they are into playing roleplaying games, then it will.

Hell to the no. RPGs are about playing the role the way the PLAYERS want, not the way the author wants. You have linear action/TPP/FPS games for that. There are quadrillion options in RPGs precisely for the sake of allowing the players to play as THEY WANT. Got it finally?

Authors set boundaries, and that's what makes it fun. If they didn't, then you might aswell play your own role playing game by creating it with a pencil, piece of paper and your brain.

More boudries or limitations give the author to create a more compelling expierence for the player. Don't forget this is a video game, and not Dungeons and Dragons.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 23 août 2011 - 02:32 .

[bioticfu]

http://en.wikipedia....ned_video_games

Read, and Learn oh wise ones

Modifié par bioticfu, 23 août 2011 - 02:34 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

leggywillow wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

Mass Effect has had homosexuality since the very, very beginning.  If homosexuality truly shocked and horrified these people, they would have thrown the game aside in disgust years ago.  Unless you're saying lesbians don't count, which is just hypocritical in the extreme.  And just because there are hypocritical morons out there doesn't mean BW needs to cater to them.  I promise you, it won't hurt their sales a bit.  Just watch.

EDIT: Also, you used Dragon Age 2 as an example of homosexual content hurting sales... uh, are you forgetting about Origins?

DA2's sales could be blamed on the poor metacritic scores and mixed reviews, not because TEH GHEEEY.

[Luigitornado]

RinjiRenee wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

Mass Effect has had homosexuality since the very, very beginning.  If homosexuality truly shocked and horrified these people, they would have thrown the game aside in disgust years ago.  Unless you're saying lesbians don't count, which is just hypocritical in the extreme.  And just because there are hypocritical morons out there doesn't mean BW needs to cater to them.  I promise you, it won't hurt their sales a bit.  Just watch.

EDIT: Also, you used Dragon Age 2 as an example of homosexual content hurting sales... uh, are you forgetting about Origins?

DA2's sales could be blamed on the poor metacritic scores and mixed reviews, not because TEH GHEEEY.

Right. People did not seem to have a problem with gay characters. It seemed more of a nit-pick in believability that every character was bisexual. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

bioticfu wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....ned_video_games

Read, and Learn oh wise ones

...

The only country that has banned games for homosexual content is United Arab Emirates.   For extreme religious reasons, I'm sure. Singapore did ban it for a time but the ban was lifted.

OH NO WE'VE LOST UAE, PULL THE CONTENT IMMEDIATELY OR SALES ARE GONNA TANK!!  ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!!

[bioticfu]

Luigitornado wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
You would wish that it can be applied to gay./lesbian sex as well. But it doesn't to the majority.

Mass Effect has had homosexuality since the very, very beginning.  If homosexuality truly shocked and horrified these people, they would have thrown the game aside in disgust years ago.  Unless you're saying lesbians don't count, which is just hypocritical in the extreme.  And just because there are hypocritical morons out there doesn't mean BW needs to cater to them.  I promise you, it won't hurt their sales a bit.  Just watch.

EDIT: Also, you used Dragon Age 2 as an example of homosexual content hurting sales... uh, are you forgetting about Origins?

DA2's sales could be blamed on the poor metacritic scores and mixed reviews, not because TEH GHEEEY.

Right. People did not seem to have a problem with gay characters. It seemed more of a nit-pick in believability that every character was bisexual. 

DA2 tanked due to lack of in game content that was later relased as DLC due to time constraints, in favor for Love intrests.

[leggywillow]

bioticfu wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....ned_video_games

Read, and Learn oh wise ones

And very, very few of these bans are related to homosexual content.  And the countries that have banned Mass Effect on those grounds have banned them from the very beginning because homosexual content is already present.  Sooo... what is the worst that could happen?  These countries could ban the games... more?  The countries who have let all the homosexual content slide this far aren't likely to start throwing around the banhammer for the 3rd game in the series.

Unless I am again forgetting that lesbians don't count for the purposes of these arguments.

bioticfu wrote...
DA2 tanked due to lack of in game content
that was later relased as DLC due to time constraints, in favor for Love
intrests.

Well, this is probably one of the most misinformed things I've ever read on the BSN.  This statement is just entirely wrong.

Modifié par leggywillow, 23 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[bioticfu]

 It's because of ass hats like this guy:


Jack Tompson

that games suffer, not because of author indignations or community.  


Homosexual is paraphrased into "sexual"  do people really have to pull hairs on that?

Modifié par bioticfu, 23 août 2011 - 02:42 .

[shepskisaac]

bioticfu wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....ned_video_games

Read, and Learn oh wise ones

You didn't even read it yourself didn't you LOL. The Sims wasn't banned anywhere, Dragon Age (along with other mega hits as God of War, GTA, COD and many more) was banned in one country  - United Arab Emirats. UAE doesn't matter sales-wise on a global scale. Bully - banned in one country (Brazil) and NOT for same sex content but for "for showing violence and harassment in a school setting." Fable - not banned in any country. You wanna argue more?

Just as everybody knew it already. All your arguments in the debate are empty, false, untrue claims. You have nothing but your own little "BioWare you must remove it or there will be an uproar!" tactic that will never work because facts tells something completly different.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 août 2011 - 02:43 .

[Leonia]

Of course lesbians don't count, people are quick to forget that there was a possible homosexual relationship in KOTOR I. This isn't exactly a new thing, not for Bioware anyway.

[Rinji the Bearded]

bioticfu wrote...

 It's because of ass hats like this guy:

lololololol nice try
Jack Tompson

that games suffer, not because of author indignations or community.  

Mass Effect 1 and 2 both have homosexual content and it's one of  the most successful game series of the decade, and Jack Thompson isn't even relevant anymore.  He's was basically laughed off the media stage.

What other facts are you gonna pull out and try to get us to believe?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 23 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[bioticfu]

IsaacShep wrote...

bioticfu wrote...

http://en.wikipedia....ned_video_games

Read, and Learn oh wise ones

You didn't even read it yourself didn't you LOL. The Sims wasn't banned anywhere, Dragon Age (along with other mega hits as God of War, GTA, COD and many more) was banned in one country  - United Arab Emirats. UAE doesn't matter sales-wise on a global scale. Bully - banned in one country (Brazil) and NOT for same sex content but for "for showing violence and harassment in a school setting." Fable - not banned in any country. You wanna argue more?

Just as everybody knew it already. All your arguments in the debate are empty, false, untrue claims. You have nothing but your own little "BioWare you must remove it or there will be an uproar!" tactic that will never work because facts tells something completly different.

I NEVER EVER EVER said it must be removed.  For you to presume that is perposterous.  I said, that it needs to be checked due to game bans and media blowback.  Dont put words in my mouth

[shepskisaac]

Luigitornado wrote...

Authors set boundaries, and that's what makes it fun. If they didn't, then you might aswell play your own role playing game by creating it with a pencil, piece of paper and your brain.

More boudries or limitations give the author to create a more compelling expierence for the player. Don't forget this is a video game, and not Dungeons and Dragons.

And if the author sets too much boundaries and limitations, it stop being an RPG and becomes a linear self-insertion of the author. The line's thin here.

[LilyasAvalon]

...Who's Jack Thompson?

[Leonia]

bioticfu wrote...

as I said prior... there will be political, commercial, media blackouts headlined towards the game's standpoint, just like there always are. the game will be forbidden in other countries due to this. Really? You're not getting that from this ever increasingly pleasant conversation we're having?


Like, TV shows viceo games have never suffered massive political "****-fan" incidents due to this?  Really?  Do you live under a rock?  Tv show's video games have been cancelled  because of this.  It's happened, will happen again and will continue to happen.

I support the gay/homosexual community, But when it puts me at risk of not being able to play games or watch shows I want to watch, I say they cross the line.

You act like this is way more common that it actually is and even the facts you present prove your own argument false. Just what exactly are you trying to say, if not that Bioware should remove this content?

And you say we're the ones living under a rock, oh that's rich!

Modifié par leonia42, 23 août 2011 - 02:49 .

[shepskisaac]

bioticfu wrote...

I NEVER EVER EVER said it must be removed.  For you to presume that is perposterous.  I said, that it needs to be checked due to game bans and media blowback.  Dont put words in my mouth

Everyone knows that's what you want and that's your tactic here, to scare BioWare off.

But anyway, you've proved yourself bans are extremly rare and even rarer for homosexual context. And in cases the actual bans happened, it was in UAE, which doesn't matter sales-wise.