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Tali/Garrus = Character Development... But S/S = Character Betrayal?


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darkangelvxvx wrote...

@BubbleSauce

I dont recall Gavorn being gay, or mentioned that he was. I think I missed a memo about innuendo about "killing a lot of vorcha down there."


He means this.

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I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.

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FitScotGaymer wrote...

That's just wrong ipgd...

That's just mother nature, son.



Also, I'm still not sure why everyone thinks that video means Gavorn is gay or was going to do anything sexual with that human at all.

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leonia42 wrote...

I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.


It's pretty obvious he's into men at any rate.  A humanoid male casually walking up to him while he's in the bedroom?   I'm not sure why they would add that scene otherwise, seemed to be kind of intimate.

And he wouldn't be the first gay male in the Mass Effect series, either.

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 So this is interpreted as gay?



Wow I.. never new, I should really keep my friends out of my studio apartment and not contemplate the world on my bed while they stand around aimlessly in my apartment.  People may get the wrong idea.

Maybe it was the one where he "thrusts" a grenade into combat.

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leonia42 wrote...

I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.


I like the sound of that.

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

It... actually isn't bad writing. A character is perfectly capable of coming to care for someone as more than just a friend, just like a person is. All people are capable of being or becoming bisexual, it just depends on societal stigma, the situation, etc.

No.

If your straight, your straight.
If your gay, your gay.
If your bisexual, your bisexual.

There is no "becoming," there is just confusion about your sexuality.

That said, it IS bad writing to have every character romanceable by either gender. It is not believable. Some other users are saying it's not important, but if it wasn't then people would not be so obessed over it, and there would not be an entire board partly devoted to "romance" here on the forums.

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ipgd wrote...
Also, I'm still not sure why everyone thinks that video means Gavorn is gay or was going to do anything sexual with that human at all.

Dirty minds. :P

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ipgd wrote...

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Making people "Shep-sexual' is silly, bad writing, I don't care if it pleases some fans, but the integrity of the story comes first, and having lots of characters fawning over Shepard regardless of species/gender breaks reality and immersion because it seems forced and artificial.

Then golly gee boyee-o, you best drop Mass Effect like a hot potato. The introduction of m/m romance would not be the start of this. This was already a feature of the first two games.

No. No it was not. And you're completley missing the point and passing it on as "DURR strait peoplez dun want m/m romances."

DA:O did it right.

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darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So this is interpreted as gay?



Wow I.. never new, I should really keep my friends out of my studio apartment and not contemplate the world on my bed while they stand around aimlessly in my apartment.  People may get the wrong idea.


Are being serious? Sorry sarcasm is hard to get through text, it's probably the lack of that mocking tone that makes you want to punch a new born baby. 

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Sundance31us wrote...

ipgd wrote...
Also, I'm still not sure why everyone thinks that video means Gavorn is gay or was going to do anything sexual with that human at all.

Dirty minds. :P

It was obvious they were going to have a pillow fight.

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Luigitornado wrote...
No. No it was not. And you're completley missing the point and passing it on as "DURR strait peoplez dun want m/m romances."

DA:O did it right.


Liara never considered getting intimate with anyone before Shepard.
Garrus never considered humans attractive but wants to be in a relationship with Shepard.
Tali thinks Shepard is attractive despite having no previous interest in humans.

Shepardsexual if you ask me.

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Luigitornado wrote...

No.

If your straight, your straight.
If your gay, your gay.
If your bisexual, your bisexual.

There is no "becoming," there is just confusion about your sexuality.

Not sure if trolling...

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RinjiRenee wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.


It's pretty obvious he's into men at any rate.  A humanoid male casually walking up to him while he's in the bedroom?   I'm not sure why they would add that scene otherwise, seemed to be kind of intimate.

And he wouldn't be the first gay male in the Mass Effect series, either.

You can't be serious.

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BubbleSauce wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So this is interpreted as gay?



Wow I.. never new, I should really keep my friends out of my studio apartment and not contemplate the world on my bed while they stand around aimlessly in my apartment.  People may get the wrong idea.


Are being serious? Sorry sarcasm is hard to get through text, it's probably the lack of that mocking tone that makes you want to punch a new born baby. 


Uh.. You cant be serious that 2 guys being in a house is gay.  I have a guy room mate it doesnt mean I'm attracted to him

Is there a new breed of troll?
http://t1.gstatic.co...YTABEZP9SvkJIZ2

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Luigitornado wrote...

No. No it was not. And you're completley missing the point and passing it on as "DURR strait peoplez dun want m/m romances."

It would be rather difficult for me to complain that straight people don't want m/m romances when I am a straight person who wants m/m romances

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Luigitornado wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.


It's pretty obvious he's into men at any rate.  A humanoid male casually walking up to him while he's in the bedroom?   I'm not sure why they would add that scene otherwise, seemed to be kind of intimate.

And he wouldn't be the first gay male in the Mass Effect series, either.

You can't be serious.


Why not? It's certainly possible. It's not a social taboo among turians at any rate the way it is among humans.

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Luigitornado wrote...
You can't be serious.


Serious about what exactly?  The fact that BW went out of their way to show Gavorn alone in thought in a bedroom, when a male without armor approaches him?

Or serious about him not being the first gay male in the ME series?

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leonia42 wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I'm still not 100% convinced that Gavorn is gay, maybe he's bi or maybe he's experimenting, who knows.


It's pretty obvious he's into men at any rate.  A humanoid male casually walking up to him while he's in the bedroom?   I'm not sure why they would add that scene otherwise, seemed to be kind of intimate.

And he wouldn't be the first gay male in the Mass Effect series, either.

You can't be serious.


Why not? It's certainly possible. It's not a social taboo among turians at any rate the way it is among humans.




how do you know?  Have you met one?  Did they say so?


So if I sit on my bed and pet my cat, I'm instantly into cats and *shutters*  think of them that way?  (all kidding aside and attempting desperately to refrain from genital jokes.)

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darkangelvxvx wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So this is interpreted as gay?



Wow I.. never new, I should really keep my friends out of my studio apartment and not contemplate the world on my bed while they stand around aimlessly in my apartment.  People may get the wrong idea.


Are being serious? Sorry sarcasm is hard to get through text, it's probably the lack of that mocking tone that makes you want to punch a new born baby. 


Uh.. You cant be serious that 2 guys being in a house is gay.  I have a guy room mate it doesnt mean I'm attracted to him


If it were real life then you'd be right, but it's not, the shdow broker dossiers are just layers of gossip and tidbits of interesting information, do you think bioware would put it there if they were just talking as friends, no, because that's bloody boring!

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RinjiRenee wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...
You can't be serious.


Serious about what exactly?  The fact that BW went out of their way to show Gavorn alone in thought in a bedroom, when a male without armor approaches him?

Or serious about him not being the first gay male in the ME series?

Sounds like BioWare is trolling and you're just grasping at straws.

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darkangelvxvx wrote...

how do you know?  Have you met one?  Did they say so?


Well the Codex entry doesn't specifically state it but it does say this:

Turians enjoy broad freedoms. So long as one completes his duties, and
does not prevent others from completing theirs, nothing is forbidden.
For example, there are no laws against recreational drug use, but if
someone is unable to complete his duties due to drug use, his superiors
step in. Judicial proceedings are 'interventions.' Peers express their
concern, and try to convince the offender to change. If rehabilitation
fails, turians have no qualms about sentencing dangerous individuals to
life at hard labor for the state.


So it's not a huge stretch of the imagination.

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Luigitornado wrote...
Sounds like BioWare is trolling and you're just grasping at straws.


At least I'm not the one using straw man tactics.  I really hope you don't look at your cat that way.

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 Image IPB


to quote Stan Smith:  "you people'll grasp at anything.

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BubbleSauce wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

BubbleSauce wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

 So this is interpreted as gay?



Wow I.. never new, I should really keep my friends out of my studio apartment and not contemplate the world on my bed while they stand around aimlessly in my apartment.  People may get the wrong idea.


Are being serious? Sorry sarcasm is hard to get through text, it's probably the lack of that mocking tone that makes you want to punch a new born baby. 


Uh.. You cant be serious that 2 guys being in a house is gay.  I have a guy room mate it doesnt mean I'm attracted to him


If it were real life then you'd be right, but it's not, the shdow broker dossiers are just layers of gossip and tidbits of interesting information, do you think bioware would put it there if they were just talking as friends, no, because that's bloody boring!

Not too unlike the media -- the gossiping part. To say that the Shadow Broker's information/power is built on a tower of truth is rather..."boring."