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[TheKillerAngel]

Vilma wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Making people "Shep-sexual' is silly, bad writing, I don't care if it pleases some fans, but the integrity of the story comes first, and having lots of characters fawning over Shepard regardless of species/gender breaks reality and immersion because it seems forced and artificial.

I agree that having everyone fall madly in love with Shepard stretches the limits of believability, but that is not necessarily to do with S/S romances. I liked DA:O style, where you had a couple of heterosexual romances, a couple of bisexual romances, and a few great characters that were not romanceable at all. As an example of ME world, I'm really fond of Joker as a character, but I don't need him to be a LI. His brotherly relationship with FemShep is perfectly enough to make me squee with joy.

I don't need to get everything I want in the game. Makes it more realistic when some things are unattainable. Your Mileage May Vary.

That is my sentiment as well. I should have been clearer in saying that I'm not opposed to having S/S romances but making an excessively large number of romance options also S/S options is a little strange, given the relatively small number of gay/lesbian/bisexual people represented in the population.

[TiaraBlade]

My personal take is that I don't mind Kaiden and Ash become SS love interests; after all, it will make some players happy and that is what the game is all about,.

That said, it does contradict past continuity. Kaiden is only interested in FemShep and Ash only in MaleShep; they're straight, case closed.

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Makes sense I suppose: Garrus is dealing with his internal issues and journey; no time for romance and he probably never thought of a human that way. Only be spending lots of time and growing as close to Shep does he see that, maybe this is someone who he could be with.

As for Tali, well the developers are clear (retroactive continuity that it is, it does fit and doesn't contradict anything) that she developed a crush on MaleShep but thought that he could never see past the mask, to say nothing of the difficulties of her issues with infection. Shy as she is, it was much easier to just not make the attempt and enjoy just bask in the joy of a very successful pilgrimage and new friends.

By contrast, I don't see how one would develop from a heterosexual person to entertaining the possibility of entering a relationship with someone of the same sex, even someone as awesome as Shep. Most people are simply not bi-curious, especially men.

But, again all of that said, it's about the player being happy and if they would like to be able to have a SS romance with Kaiden or Ash, it's not affecting the players who would rather ignore it. They can simply not pursue a relationship.

[corrin1984]

TiaraBlade wrote...

My personal take is that I don't mind Kaiden and Ash become SS love interests; after all, it will make some players happy and that is what the game is all about,.

That said, it does contradict past continuity. Kaiden is only interested in FemShep and Ash only in MaleShep; they're straight, case closed.

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Makes sense I suppose: Garrus is dealing with his internal issues and journey; no time for romance and he probably never thought of a human that way. Only be spending lots of time and growing as close to Shep does he see that, maybe this is someone who he could be with.

As for Tali, well the developers are clear (retroactive continuity that it is, it does fit and doesn't contradict anything) that she developed a crush on MaleShep but thought that he could never see past the mask, to say nothing of the difficulties of her issues with infection. Shy as she is, it was much easier to just not make the attempt and enjoy just bask in the joy of a very successful pilgrimage and new friends.

By contrast, I don't see how one would develop from a heterosexual person to entertaining the possibility of entering a relationship with someone of the same sex, even someone as awesome as Shep. Most people are simply not bi-curious, especially men.

But, again all of that said, it's about the player being happy and if they would like to be able to have a SS romance with Kaiden or Ash, it's not affecting the players who would rather ignore it. They can simply not pursue a relationship.

Well, again, I don't mind SS either... but at least with Ashley she was originally intended to be available to both, as proof of non-used game files. The fact in the first game you weren't able to romance them doesn't mean they definitely aren't bi or gay. It just means possibly that at that point in time they weren't comfortable coming out with it. It might not be correct say "case closed" because you weren't able to romance them. That would be similar to saying that Aria must be asexual, because you can't romance her.

Modifié par corrin1984, 25 août 2011 - 01:43 .

[TiaraBlade]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Vilma wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Making people "Shep-sexual' is silly, bad writing, I don't care if it pleases some fans, but the integrity of the story comes first, and having lots of characters fawning over Shepard regardless of species/gender breaks reality and immersion because it seems forced and artificial.

I agree that having everyone fall madly in love with Shepard stretches the limits of believability, but that is not necessarily to do with S/S romances. I liked DA:O style, where you had a couple of heterosexual romances, a couple of bisexual romances, and a few great characters that were not romanceable at all. As an example of ME world, I'm really fond of Joker as a character, but I don't need him to be a LI. His brotherly relationship with FemShep is perfectly enough to make me squee with joy.

I don't need to get everything I want in the game. Makes it more realistic when some things are unattainable. Your Mileage May Vary.

That is my sentiment as well. I should have been clearer in saying that I'm not opposed to having S/S romances but making an excessively large number of romance options also S/S options is a little strange, given the relatively small number of gay/lesbian/bisexual people represented in the population.

Regarding being "Shep-sexual", people might enjoy these pages from the TVtropes.org page:

http://tvtropes.org/...nTheGuysWantHim

http://tvtropes.org/...TheGirlsWantHer

http://tvtropes.org/...tles8ehi15xdv34

http://tvtropes.org/...TargetSexuality

Heck, there is also a page about Memetic Sex Gods which include Mass Effect:


[*]Mass Effect: Aside from being the preferred love interest for Fem Shep, everyone is gar for Garrus, up to and including half of /v/.

• If you have looked at Garrus, you are pregnant. No exceptions. What if you're male? I said no exceptions!
• Forget Garrus — "Everyone is xeno for Shepard" is practically canon. For both sexes. Even Garrus himself can't resist The Shep.
• There's also Tali, who rounds out the Fan Preferred Couple for Male Shep, and pounces male Shepard in her scene the second her mask comes off.
• Shepard him/herself, this one is canon. Everyone in the galaxy wants Shepard, no exceptions.
  
• Well, the Reapers just want him/her dead. Then again, the Reapers want everyone dead. The fact that they give Shepard special attention is telling.
• "Preserve Shepard's body if possible."
• "I know you feel this."
• They might want Shepard as part of their mulch. It'd be like killing someone, then harvesting their zygotes post-mortis. Given that this is how they habitually reproduce, and it's made pretty damn clear that they want Shepard's body captured rather than destroyed, that means it's canon that even the Reapers want Shepard's babies.

[Alexnssilent]

Sometimes I get the feeling people don't play this game for the storyline, but to bend over the squadmates and give it to 'em. Might as well add a Hanar and Elcor in the mix too, why the hell not?

[Deejtage]

Alexnssilent wrote...

Sometimes I get the feeling people don't play this game for the storyline, but to bend over the squadmates and give it to 'em. Might as well add a Hanar and Elcor in the mix too, why the hell not?

Sometimes I get the feeling people just come on here to whiiiiine.

[TiaraBlade]

Some more fun fun tropes, these from the site's Mass Effect Character Sheet:

Chick Magnet / Dude Magnet:
Probably has something to do with being a major Fetish Fuel Station Attendant - people with very diverse backgrounds are attracted to Shepard, disregarding his/her actions... and that's just comparing the official love interests: be you soldier, Cerberus operative, notorious criminal or Badass alien of any kind, chances are you want to bang Shepard.


Fetish Fuel Station Attendant:
Everybody wants to bang Shepard, no matter what gender or race they are. In the second game, s/he can get into the pants of more than half of his/her crew. Yes, even Tali (who actually spends time to find a way to spend time outside of the suit, which is used for, you guessed it, sex) and Garrus (who does some research as well, because he never considered inter-species intercourse before). Hell, even Saren seemed to have some kind of twisted Foe Yay relationship with him/her. As for the Reapers... best not to think about how that would work. Especially since they reproduce rather... differently.

But even Shep isn't perfect as noted:

I Can't Dance:
Really, s/he can't. Shepard can kill, negotiate, bribe, or charm her/his way out any situation, and has long since been proven the ultimate problem-solving machine in the galaxy. Despite his/her long list of impressive skills and athletic ability, in no situation seen thus far can s/he avoid looking like a complete jackass when attempting to "dance."

[Time4Tiddy]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Second i think the OP was referring to the arguement that making some of the characters come out as "bisexual"(!) when there is no prior evidence that they arent/werent bisexual is somehow a retcon.
Specifically the fact that a lot of the people using this anti ss arguement are Talimancers.

It was established in ME1 that Quarians and Turians were not sexually compatible with Humans; and this was actually confirmed in ME2 in certain places (and contradicted in others). And to act like this is anything less than a fanservice retcon, and to continue to support this retcon while being against SS for MaleShep is the highest form of hypocracy.

This is the most sane, logical argument I have yet seen.  You hit the nail on the head.  The Tali-mance and Gar-omance crowds are more than happy to have characters who expressed exactly zippo sexual interest in Shepard in ME suddenly be open to romance in ME2, but if another character who didn't express interest in ME becomes an option in ME3, it's suddenly an unbearable retcon.  Pot, meet kettle.

[shepskisaac]

TiaraBlade wrote...

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Point to us where does Ashley & Kaidan say they would never date same-sex in general or same-sex Shep specifically? You've said in their case something is contradicted. Well, what? Where's the difference between Tali & Garrus? Is it just me or just as with Tali & Garrus, it simply never came up?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 août 2011 - 02:00 .

[TiaraBlade]

IsaacShep wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Point to us where does Ashley & Kaidan say they would never date same-sex in general or same-sex Shep specifically? You've said in their case something is contradicted. Well, what? Where's the difference between Tali & Garrus? Is it just me or just as with Tali & Garrus, it simply never came up?

I don't have to point to where they said it; their ACTIONS speak for them: Kaiden only goes after FemShep and Ash only goes after MaleShep. They would have to suddenly show something NEW that contradicts cannon in order to become S/S LI's.

Regarding Tali and Garrus, neither of them showed interest but it's easy to explain this away; Garrus not used to thinking outside his race while Tali is shy and both have other issues on their plate. Neither their words nor actions preclude a future relationship that might develop in time.

With the established straight Kaiden and Ash, it makes little sense and defies established psychology that they will suddently become bi-curious or at least bi-curious for Shep.

But, again that said, I don't mind them suddenly becoming bi for the sequel since it will make the S/S fans happy while those of who who prefer the original continuity will just not pursue.

Modifié par TiaraBlade, 25 août 2011 - 02:15 .

[Sundance31us]

Alexnssilent wrote...
Sometimes I get the feeling people don't play this game for the storyline, but to bend over the squadmates and give it to 'em. Might as well add a Hanar and Elcor in the mix too, why the hell not?

:innocent:

[Deejtage]

TiaraBlade wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Point to us where does Ashley & Kaidan say they would never date same-sex in general or same-sex Shep specifically? You've said in their case something is contradicted. Well, what? Where's the difference between Tali & Garrus? Is it just me or just as with Tali & Garrus, it simply never came up?

I don't have to point to where they said it; their ACTIONS speak for them: Kaiden only goes after FemShep and Ash only goes after MaleShep. They would have to suddenly show something NEW that contradicts cannon in order to become S/S LI's.

Regarding Tali and Garrus, neither of them showed interest but it's easy to explain this away; Garrus not used to thinking outside his race while Tali is shy and both have other issues on their plate. Neither their words nor actions preclude a future relationship that might develop in time.

With the established straight Kaiden and Ash, it makes little sense and defies established psychology that they will suddently become bi-curious or at least bi-curious for Shep.

But, again that said, I don't mind them suddenly becoming bi for the sequel since it will make the S/S fans happy while those of who who prefer the original continuity will just not pursue.

Garrus and Tali, honestly, do go through a lot of stuff, but the same can theoretically be applied to Kaidan and Ashley I believe. It is possible, as has been suggested before, that perhaps the both of them have been confused in their own sexual orientation and that could be a logical and possible reason for the both of them to have not gone after their same-sex Shepard in the first Mass Effect. Of course, in the point of view of Shepard, we would not witness this obviously. But, admittedly, I believe both of them are the type of people who are confident in their sexuality, or atleast, they are really good at hiding it.

Another theory, as has also been said before, is that it is possible that they didn't think their respective s/s Shepards would feel that way about them, or that they even thought that their s/s Shepards were possibly gay, so they never make a move. In the case of ManShep, he NEVER gets to address the topic of his (possible) homosexuality throughout any of the games thus far, besides shooting down all the women who go after him. In the case of gay FemShep, if she didn't romance Liara, then obviously Ashley wouldn't have a clue that the commander was gay. If she did romance Liara, then by that point it would have been too late, if Ashley even knew FemShep ended up with Liara in the first place.

The ONLY reason that Kaidan didn't go after MaleShep, and Ashley didn't go after FemShep, was because of "time contraints". It's been brought up numerous times that there are voice recordings or whatnot for both same-sex romances, as well as others, hidden in various places or whatever (I don't know the technical mumbo-jumbo of it all.) I am glad to hear though that you are supportive of this turn, if it happens, and I don't think "time contraints" should be the only thing to deny same-sex supporters their ideal relationship for Shepard in-game, or whatever (so tired.)

[TiaraBlade]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Second i think the OP was referring to the arguement that making some of the characters come out as "bisexual"(!) when there is no prior evidence that they arent/werent bisexual is somehow a retcon.
Specifically the fact that a lot of the people using this anti ss arguement are Talimancers.

It was established in ME1 that Quarians and Turians were not sexually compatible with Humans; and this was actually confirmed in ME2 in certain places (and contradicted in others). And to act like this is anything less than a fanservice retcon, and to continue to support this retcon while being against SS for MaleShep is the highest form of hypocracy.

I'm not sure if they are truly sexually incompatible although there ARE some allergic reactions that they need to watch out for. Tali/Shep and Gar/Shep aren't going to be having kids though, that's for sure.

I guess the question becomes, what is more likely- for an established heterosexual character (which are what Kaiden and Ash are since they only go after opposite sex Sheps) to become so enarmored that will have go a romantic relationship with a same sex Shep OR that Tali or Garrus will be able to go past the physical difference between species to have a romantic relationship with Shep?

It's an open ended question. Personally, I answer that the latter is likely but then again, I'm not up on Quarian or Taurian sexual relationships although the talk between the Quarian and Turian on that Asari world ("Fleet and Flotilla") seem to indicate that cross species romance (besides with Asari because EVERYONE is xeno for Asari) does occur if not neccesarily common.

Heterosexual seems to be the norm even among different species (except for Asari) and thus it makes sense, and we've seen this in the game, that some species will mate with each other because, well they ARE still from the opposite gender which is pretty crucial for most heteroesexual attraction. Going suddently bi, at least among humans, just doesn't make as much sense.

But, as I keep repeating, if someone wants a S/S with Kaiden or Ash, it's not affecting my game so might as well code it.

[Time4Tiddy]

TiaraBlade wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Point to us where does Ashley & Kaidan say they would never date same-sex in general or same-sex Shep specifically? You've said in their case something is contradicted. Well, what? Where's the difference between Tali & Garrus? Is it just me or just as with Tali & Garrus, it simply never came up?

I don't have to point to where they said it; their ACTIONS speak for them: Kaiden only goes after FemShep and Ash only goes after MaleShep. They would have to suddenly show something NEW that contradicts cannon in order to become S/S LI's.

Actually that's not true.  They only "go after" Shep if you trigger them in their first full conversation.  If you choose a different dialogue choice, they behave exactly as if you were a Shepard of the same sex as them.  So you can play an entire game as a FemShep and never once have Kaidan indicate any interest, and the same for Ash and BroShep.  Frankly, if you are playing as a FemShep and Kaidan never looks at you twice, that almost implies that he IS gay.

[shepskisaac]

TiaraBlade wrote...

I don't have to point to where they said it their ACTIONS speak for them: Kaiden only goes after FemShep and Ash only goes after MaleShep. They would have to suddenly show something NEW that contradicts cannon in order to become S/S LI's.

Regarding Tali and Garrus, neither of them showed interest but it's easy to explain this away; Garrus not used to thinking outside his race while Tali is shy and both have other issues on their plate. Neither their words nor actions preclude a future relationship that might develop in time.

With the established straight Kaiden and Ash, it makes little sense and defies established psychology that they will suddently become bi-curious or at least bi-curious for Shep.

And it's somehow hard to explain for Ash & Kaidan how exactly? "I thought you were straight Shep so I didn't pursue you". There you go, no rocket science. Kaidan's explanation is already covered. And it's an actual in-game fact he thinks both male & female Shep are straight.

You know what's the funniest thing? Tali's shyness and Garrus "I've never thought about it before" are copy+pasted standard gay coming out stories in TV shows, movies & games. Tali & Garrus used 2 most popular  'out of the closet' scenarios. Sky in Jade Empire pulls the same "Ohh I've never thought about men ever before but I like YOU!" as Garrus does in ME2. And Tali? classic "I was shy and scared you would reject me!".

TiaraBlade wrote...
established heterosexual character (which are what Kaiden and Ash are since they only go after opposite sex Sheps)

If not going after one sex equals no interest in that sex, then Tali & Garrus were established asexuals in ME1.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 août 2011 - 02:39 .

[TiaraBlade]

Another theory, as has also been said before, is that it is possible that they didn't think their respective s/s Shepards would feel that way about them, or that they even thought that their s/s Shepards were possibly gay, so they never make a move. In the case of ManShep, he NEVER gets to address the topic of his (possible) homosexuality throughout any of the games thus far, besides shooting down all the women who go after him. In the case of gay FemShep, if she didn't romance Liara, then obviously Ashley wouldn't have a clue that the commander was gay. If she did romance Liara, then by that point it would have been too late, if Ashley even knew FemShep ended up with Liara in the first place.

I don't buy the the "confused on their sexuality part" but the above is actually an excellent counter point. Very nice indeed.

[jeweledleah]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...

By contrast, we don't get anything to contradict Tali or Garrus as LI's in ME2. Neight Garrus nor Tali claim that they would never date a human, for example or that they would only date within their species. Nor do they state that they could never see Shep as a LI; it just never comes up.

Point to us where does Ashley & Kaidan say they would never date same-sex in general or same-sex Shep specifically? You've said in their case something is contradicted. Well, what? Where's the difference between Tali & Garrus? Is it just me or just as with Tali & Garrus, it simply never came up?

I don't have to point to where they said it; their ACTIONS speak for them: Kaiden only goes after FemShep and Ash only goes after MaleShep. They would have to suddenly show something NEW that contradicts cannon in order to become S/S LI's.

Actually that's not true.  They only "go after" Shep if you trigger them in their first full conversation.  If you choose a different dialogue choice, they behave exactly as if you were a Shepard of the same sex as them.  So you can play an entire game as a FemShep and never once have Kaidan indicate any interest, and the same for Ash and BroShep.  Frankly, if you are playing as a FemShep and Kaidan never looks at you twice, that almost implies that he IS gay.

actualy that is not true.  both indicate interest even before that first conversation.  it starts right after eden prime.  that first conversation is where you can either set them down or encourage them.  graned a lot of people can miss that scene on a citadel, but just becasue you don't get a chance to hear them say it - doesn't mean they are not thinking it.  all 3 ME1 LI's are programed to fall for Shepard from the start.

that said - I have a feeling they both will end up as copy paste s/s romance.  you know why?  becasue most people saved Ashley anyways, so most people who might not be keen on m/m romance will not ever see that, and "lesbians are hot" so I'm sure Ashley digging femshep as more then a friend all of a sudden will go over splendidly. and the fans who want those s/s romances?  well - they didn't mind the modded copy paste version in ME1/2, so the only difference is that now they won't have to mod the game anymore.  and with copy/paste dialogue - they will be able to import their modded Shepards and continue with no interuptions. won't even need to replay the game.

the more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this is exactly how it will happen.  not like bioware was too concerned with concistency before and this way, they can just write one size fits all singular romance and call it a day.  just you know, change a few sentences here and there to give a passing nod to "romanced in ME1"  "didn't romance in ME1"  "romanced in ME1 and slept with someone else in ME2", resolve it in couple of sentences (ala difference in rivalry vs friendship romances) and from then on - proceed identicaly.  less writing, less voice recording, no need for separate love scenes, and no people complaining like they did about Anders (cause why would you complain about someone who's not even in your game)

[Comsky159]

I'm just not sure how they can change the orientation and explain why both genders weren't catered to at the same time. While I can accept a little flexibility within this genre, we have to draw the line somewhere. I can't for example handle a "coming out" subplot in something advertised and established as a traditional sci-fi epic; this isn't bold and the beautiful. However I must concede that the more time allowed to elapse the more acceptable this movement will become, so while I'm still quite critical of the Ash/Kaidan proposition, I'm a lot more receptive to this argument.

If neither Ash or Kaidan were available for romance options in ME1, I'd be in far, far greater support for their inclusion, because dealing with a blank slate is very different from then altering a character, which logically would have approached both genders at the same time (keeping in perspective this is a game). It's not only questionable consistency-wise as one could argue the Garrus/Tali thing was, but in a structural sense as well. I guess I'm just afraid it's going to be like painting makeup and lipstick on the mona lisa, she might be prettier but it's not the same work of art anymore, as all the history and significance is voided in favour of something tacky, patched and ultimately superficial.

At the moment I think Bioware will get away with it, but it will elicit a few eyebrow raises all the same. Anyway Bioware, I say to Ash/Kaidan; oh alright if you really must. To ME2 initiates; a resolute NO. Sorry but you're way too late there, should have made your choice about character construction earlier and stuck to them.

Peace out.

Modifié par Comsky159, 25 août 2011 - 03:09 .

[shepskisaac]

TiaraBlade wrote...
I don't buy the the "confused on their sexuality part"

Why? Kaidan is surprised if FemShep romances Liara. Why would he be if he didn't assume she was straight? Why does Aria says my man Shep should find himself a nice girl to keep warm? Why does she assume that's what he would like? The point is that people in ME universe act the way everyone acts - assuming what's the most likely. We assume the person we meet will most likely be right-handed because 90% of the entire human population is right-handed.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 août 2011 - 03:32 .

[Deejtage]

IsaacShep wrote...

TiaraBlade wrote...
I don't buy the the "confused on their sexuality part"

Why? Kaidan is surprised if FemShep romances Liara. Why would he be if he didn't assume she was straight? Why does Aria says my man Shep should find himself a nice girl to keep warm? Why does she assume that's what he would like? The point is that people in ME universe act the way everyone acts - assuming what's the most likely. We assume the person we meet will most likely be right-handed because 90% of the entire human population is right-handed.

Unless I'm reading your post wrong IsaacShep, you're taking mine and TiaraBlade's debate in a different way; with the "confused" thing, we were referrencing Kaidan and Ashley possibly being confused about their own sexuality, not Shepard's, in that little part.

[shepskisaac]

Deejtage wrote...

Unless I'm reading your post wrong IsaacShep, you're taking mine and TiaraBlade's debate in a different way; with the "confused" thing, we were referrencing Kaidan and Ashley possibly being confused about their own sexuality, not Shepard's, in that little part.

Ahh. Then I misunderstood. Sorry

[Deejtage]

IsaacShep wrote...

Deejtage wrote...

Unless I'm reading your post wrong IsaacShep, you're taking mine and TiaraBlade's debate in a different way; with the "confused" thing, we were referrencing Kaidan and Ashley possibly being confused about their own sexuality, not Shepard's, in that little part.

Ahh. Then I misunderstood. Sorry

It's okay! In my first paragraph I had explained that sexuality confusion with Kaidan and Ashley. It was in the second paragraph that I explained how Kaidan and Ashley might have thought their respective same-sex Shepards were assumed to be straight and such. And apparently, TiaraBlade thought that was an adequate explanation 

[Sundance31us]

Kaidan seems the conscientious type, I can see him not pursuing a relationship with Shepard in ME1 because Shepard was his commanding officer, By ME3 things have changed enough that he may feel comfortable enough with Shepard to express his feelings.

[Deejtage]

Sundance31us wrote...

Kaidan seems the conscientious type, I can see him not pursuing a relationship with Shepard in ME1 because Shepard was his commanding officer, By ME3 things have changed enough that he may feel comfortable enough with Shepard to express his feelings.

This is also a good point.

P.S. I am surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet, all things considered.

[sorentoft]

I am not against SS relationships but if DA2 was any indication... I would rather have the game not have them. It is fine that it is available, but having all characters suddenly turn bisexual all of a sudden seems a bit... Odd. Combined with in most cases you were unable to pursue a simple bros-before-hos approach, then well, it was not fun. :<