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[NICKjnp]

@Jreezy: Yes we do.

[NICKjnp]

Go take a psyche 101 class

[MsLurch]

i don't do SS..but leave options for Garris, Thane or any male companion to romance. Nothing wrong in changing concepts in romances or like or dislike from MA1. Thought tyhe game was just fine the way it is, people. Could be more detailed in the relationship sections though..so it plays out more life like..Interspecies relationships are fine.have fun with it for petes sake. Just my opinion..Ma3 is on my list. Play MA1. and MA2 many times..

[PauseforEffect]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Personally I dont understand why people like the Tali and Garrus romances.

They kinda suck.

Once again I feel the need to say this (looking at you PrimalEden) being Gay is not the same as being Bisexual. Gay does not equal Bi.

And a Gay Toggle is not going to happen because of the homophobic implications such a thing has.

And again (looking at you this time whywhywhywhy) you cant realistically be against including SS by "retconning" established characters to becoming bisexual in the third ME while at the same time supporting the Tali and Garrus romances. Its just sheer hypocracy.

I never said bisexual was the same as gay. I supported the idea of a teammate being potentially gay if the option was pursued. One can hardly say people are against the idea of a gay romance when you have female Shepard/Liara pairings (and yes, the lore says asari are monogendered, but Liara's still wearing a dress) and the Kelly/female Shepard match. It is clearly there, even if it's only female matches.
If your import so far had a Shepard that's remained single throughout ME1 and ME2, then why not have teammates the same gender as yours be interested? Of course, for those who have Shepards that play Bi (A Liara romance then Jacob for example) the option to pair up with either gender could still stand if playthrough was done a certain way.
While I cannot comment on the female romances of ME2, I still prefer the Garrus and Thane romances far more than the ME1 versions. Now that was a trap for those who didn't want to be utter jerks. And you kind of had to be with Kaiden. Even worse was the horrible soap opera dialogue before Illos. At least ME2 kept it more believable, and the option of ending a romance if you didn't want it. Short, sweet and not dragged out with a saccharine drama

[Killjoy Cutter]

Romance possibilities, S/S or otherwise, should be strictly within the confines of what has been established about the character, and never fanservicey.

[shepskisaac]

jreezy wrote...

To be a little technical, Female Shep and Liara is not a same sex romance.

To be a little technical, if FemShep it turned on by boobs, feminine voice and hips, then it is a same-sex romance for her and of course for the players. It's human perspective that matters. Liara might as well considered herself to be a rabbit, wouldn't change the fact she looks like a human female that jumped into blue paint pool.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 août 2011 - 08:36 .

[Time4Tiddy]

jreezy wrote...

To be a little technical, Female Shep and Liara is not a same sex romance.

Actually, it is.  The Asari are not genderless, they are mono-gendered.  They are all female.  The codex says this time and time again.  Finding them attractive means finding females attractive, regardless of the fact that there are no males of that species.  

Not to mention it's specifically brought up in game when Kaidan says "I didn't realize you were into other women."  Bioware backpedaled after all the sideboob nonsense, but that doesn't erase the IN-GAME evidence from the codex and character dialogue.

[Comsky159]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

jreezy wrote...

To be a little technical, Female Shep and Liara is not a same sex romance.

Actually, it is.  The Asari are not genderless, they are mono-gendered.  They are all female.  The codex says this time and time again.  Finding them attractive means finding females attractive, regardless of the fact that there are no males of that species.  

Not to mention it's specifically brought up in game when Kaidan says "I didn't realize you were into other women."  Bioware backpedaled after all the sideboob nonsense, but that doesn't erase the IN-GAME evidence from the codex and character dialogue.

To the Asari, gender is a foreign concept. Though the term "monogendered" dosen't necessarily establish them as either male nor female, with the codex (the source of all knowledge) only ever mentioning their likeness to females. I believe in the line after the one you've quoted Kaidan on, Liara exposes this inter-species misconception. The only reason they're addressed as female is because they appear that way.

Of course it's very superficial, and if we take a step back it's obviously an excuse to include S/S and keep people happy with technicalities. I call it an SS romance in my mind, but from an ingame, immersed perspective I'm mistaken.

[GodWood]

Comsky159 wrote...
To the Asari, gender is a foreign concept.

Highly unlikely unless every single species on their planet is monogendered.

Which would be stupid.

[PauseforEffect]

How invasive is the fanservice for those who don't want it? While there is an argument of Liara's gender, there is still Kelly for a female Shepard to cuddle with. Surely Kelly counts as an ss romance, and with her dance features combined into this, it's a little bit of both fanservice and a gay romance. And yet, if you're being attentive to the dialogue and the character, you can either have a romance with Kelly or never know. A method I think can be applied to this.

[Time4Tiddy]

Comsky159 wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...

jreezy wrote...

To be a little technical, Female Shep and Liara is not a same sex romance.

Actually, it is.  The Asari are not genderless, they are mono-gendered.  They are all female.  The codex says this time and time again.  Finding them attractive means finding females attractive, regardless of the fact that there are no males of that species.  

Not to mention it's specifically brought up in game when Kaidan says "I didn't realize you were into other women."  Bioware backpedaled after all the sideboob nonsense, but that doesn't erase the IN-GAME evidence from the codex and character dialogue.

To the Asari, gender is a foreign concept. Though the term "monogendered" dosen't necessarily establish them as either male nor female, with the codex (the source of all knowledge) only ever mentioning their likeness to females. I believe in the line after the one you've quoted Kaidan on, Liara exposes this inter-species misconception. The only reason they're addressed as female is because they appear that way.

Of course it's very superficial, and if we take a step back it's obviously an excuse to include S/S and keep people happy with technicalities. I call it an SS romance in my mind, but from an ingame, immersed perspective I'm mistaken.

Going back to the codex, in my mind it's clear backpedaling on the part of the writers.  In ME1, the codex says "all-female race" then in ME2 the codex says "appearing female."  Also, the line from Kaidan is during a side conversation with him if you are romancing both him and Liara at the same time.  I just point it out because if they really had intended Asari not to be female, Shep's response would have been something like:

"I didn't know you were into other women."
"Liara is not a woman."

But we can go round and round on this as has already been done countless times.  Just one more thing to consider:

If a straight man sees a tranny on the street who looks exactly like a woman, and finds her attractive, does that mean he is actually gay or bi since the person he is seeing is technically a man?

[.shea.]

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Going back to the codex, in my mind it's clear backpedaling on the part of the writers.  In ME1, the codex says "all-female race" then in ME2 the codex says "appearing female." 

Where's this codex entry that says 'appearing female'? I just checked in ME2 and the codex entry about asari is identical to the one in ME1 (even has the same guy narrating it). It just says 'an all-female race' and in secondary codex titled 'asari biology' it says that 'Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual'. That's all I could find anyway.

[Time4Tiddy]

Chouan wrote...

Time4Tiddy wrote...
Going back to the codex, in my mind it's clear backpedaling on the part of the writers.  In ME1, the codex says "all-female race" then in ME2 the codex says "appearing female." 

Where's this codex entry that says 'appearing female'? I just checked in ME2 and the codex entry about asari is identical to the one in ME1 (even has the same guy narrating it). It just says 'an all-female race' and in secondary codex titled 'asari biology' it says that 'Although asari have one gender, they are not asexual'. That's all I could find anyway.

Now that I'm looking for it, I don't find it.  I think I was assuming it was there after getting so much pushback every time this issue comes up.  Now I'm just confused how the "Asari are not female" crowd has any evidence to support their assertion at all.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I think some are looking at it from the Asari's pov when they say the whole but they aren't female....as one poster said its really about how humans see them and sense they look female most say they are.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 28 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[Blacklash93]

If they do it, which I hope they don't, I just want it to be done believably and not in an obvious fanservice-y way.

Seeing it happen once, for one character, would be believable. Seeing, for instance, both Kaidan AND Ashley going bi would just reek of Bioware caving in to fans' wishes.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 28 août 2011 - 06:08 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Blacklash93 wrote...

If they do it, which I hope they don't, I just want it to be done believably and not in an obvious fanservice-y way.

Seeing it happen once, for one character, would be believable. Seeing, for instance, both Kaidan AND Ashley going bi would just reek of Bioware caving in to fans' wishes.

Cough, DA2, cough.

[Blooddrunk1004]

I love reading S/S romance arguments, you people have no lives.