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[Luigitornado]

jlb524 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

You did have 3 full alien romances 2 bisexual mini-romances 3 human romances 6 straight mances, Shiala, Parasini, Krogan admirer that seems more unique than ME1.

I though a couple of characters should've been bi like Jack, Tali, and Garrus. would've made the ME2 romances a lot more interesting

You were basing 'uniformity' solely on sexuality.

GreenSoda wrote...

You have DA2 activated in your profile.
You should know what he meant. If anything I just don't want another
Anders moment in ME3.

Yeees, and I've played the game 7 times. What does Anders have to do with the claim that having all bisexual LIs makes for uniform and less unique romances?

Luigitornado wrote...

I think you will find most people who are against an entire bisexual crew, don't mind having a few s/s options.

I know...but their arguments against all bisexual LIs aren't very good and seem to come down to 'I don't wanna share my toys'.

I don't want entire bisexual crew because it would limit the diversification between playing as male Shepard and female Shepard. If you want to romance Garus, then play as female Shepard. If you want to romance Tali, then play as male Shepard. The more the genders play alike, the less reason I have for choosing one over the other.

You may argue that getting rid of gender-based romances would just increase the amount of options, and respectively the amount of play throughs, but not for me. With limitatations come more incentives to play as a different gender. And let's be honest, Bioware would put no thought into differing conversation points when having an increased amount of s/s options. Male Shepard romance with Garus, would be exactly the same as the Female Shepard romance with Garus. This whole argument is coming off as being immature demand of some fans; even though some fans who don't want the feature are being immature about it themselves.

Limitations = a good thing that gives us the incentives to diversifying play throughs.

[Drunken_Soviet]

As long as the s/s Romances are well made AND NOT ninjamanced then I'm alright with s/s Romances (I might romance Tali in my Femshep playthrough)

[Luigitornado]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

You're the dumbest thing I ever seen posting. See what I did there?
I prefer you to not insult my intelligence because you do not see it the way I do.

Relative to the story, aliens and aliens whom are the "vanguard of our destruction" fits entirley into realm of being believable.Having a crew made up of entirely of bisexuals is not believable because sexuality is grouded in reality; not fantasy.

Look, sorry, but to me, that makes no sense. Besides they are not bisexual unless they actually say so. They are just interested in your Shepard.

In other words, they are Shepardsexual.

Which is not believable.

[The Uncanny]

Luigitornado wrote...

I don't want entire bisexual crew because it would limit the diversification between playing as male Shepard and female Shepard. If you want to romance Garus, then play as female Shepard. If you want to romance Tali, then play as male Shepard. The more the genders play alike, the less reason I have for choosing one over the other.

You may argue that getting rid of gender-based romances would just increase the amount of options, and respectively the amount of play throughs, but not for me. With limitatations come more incentives to play as a different gender. And let's be honest, Bioware would put no thought into differing conversation points when having an increased amount of s/s options. Male Shepard romance with Garus, would be exactly the same as the Female Shepard romance with Garus. This whole argument is coming off as being immature demand of some fans; even though some fans who don't want the feature are being immature about it themselves.

Limitations = a good thing that gives us the incentives to diversifying play throughs.

Lolwut?

So allowing same sex relationships is limiting diversity?!?

Hey everyone! Black is white! 

[Keazu]

I've gotta agree that not all characters should be able to be bi. Kaidan, yeah, I could see it. Garrus? nope. Miranda? Yep. Ashley? Yep. Jack? Yup. Tali? Not so much.




Holy **** apparently I don't believe in gay aliens. Huh.

[Luigitornado]

The Uncanny wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

I don't want entire bisexual crew because it would limit the diversification between playing as male Shepard and female Shepard. If you want to romance Garus, then play as female Shepard. If you want to romance Tali, then play as male Shepard. The more the genders play alike, the less reason I have for choosing one over the other.

You may argue that getting rid of gender-based romances would just increase the amount of options, and respectively the amount of play throughs, but not for me. With limitatations come more incentives to play as a different gender. And let's be honest, Bioware would put no thought into differing conversation points when having an increased amount of s/s options. Male Shepard romance with Garus, would be exactly the same as the Female Shepard romance with Garus. This whole argument is coming off as being immature demand of some fans; even though some fans who don't want the feature are being immature about it themselves.

Limitations = a good thing that gives us the incentives to diversifying play throughs.

Lolwut?

So allowing same sex relationships is limiting diversity?!?

Hey everyone! Black is white! 

No. Making the entire crew bi would be limiting incentives to diversyfying play throughs. I have no problem with having a few s/s romances.

[darkangelvxvx]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

darkangelvxvx wrote...

I dont think Garrus, or Tali wouldn't be good S/S relations for a few reasons:

Garrus has never mentioned anything about being attracted to males. His infamous "reach and flexibility" conversation towards a male shep is almost like a playful jab that all guys would use against one another.

Quarians are very dedicated towards keeping their population stable, meaning at times they need to force eachother to reproduce. Also she's a daughter of the admiralty (which I guess could be a plug for homosexuality) and is heavily dedicated to the flotilla. Moreover, the whole LOTSB easter-egg is also a huge plug towards her being hetero. Also I dont believe she has the same convo about sharing suit enviros with a fem shep that she does with a male shep. It's heavily noted through Kasumi, Liara, Chambers and herself that she's attracted to a male shep, and never noted that she's attracted to a femshep.

*queue ****-storm of "modded fem shep" remarks*

What LOTSB easter egg?

If I recall the suit process log differs between male and female shepards.

[Sundance31us]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
In other words, they are Shepardsexual.

That's begging for a motivational poster.

[Luigitornado]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

You're the dumbest thing I ever seen posting. See what I did there?
I prefer you to not insult my intelligence because you do not see it the way I do.

Relative to the story, aliens and aliens whom are the "vanguard of our destruction" fits entirley into realm of being believable.Having a crew made up of entirely of bisexuals is not believable because sexuality is grouded in reality; not fantasy.

Look, sorry, but to me, that makes no sense. Besides they are not bisexual unless they actually say so. They are just interested in your Shepard.

In other words, they are Shepardsexual.

Which is not believable.

If you look at it from one way. Let me try to explain this:

Every Shepard you make is in their own universe, which is differentiated by the choices you make. In that universe, the characters may be straight. In another, they are homosexual. It's not every universe they are gay in. It's the universe that you choose for them to be gay in that they are. If you don't want them to be gay, do not pick the choices that would lead them to be gay.

Mass Effect has always been about guiding Shepard. Not you playing as a geenie and choosing what characters are bi and straight based on your own fan-ideals.

[shepskisaac]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Especially if they've said that they're feeling good with the way it is at the moment.

When did they say that?

[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The Garrus romance actually added some depth to Garrus' character by exposing his inner doubts and vulnerability. I'm not positive that is the case for Tali though.

We learned that she stopped being capable of hiding her feelings of Twu Wub behind professionalism after ME1.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Luigitornado wrote...
I don't want entire bisexual crew because it would limit the diversification between playing as male Shepard and female Shepard. If you want to romance Garus, then play as female Shepard. If you want to romance Tali, then play as male Shepard. The more the genders play alike, the less reason I have for choosing one over the other.

You may argue that getting rid of gender-based romances would just increase the amount of options, and respectively the amount of play throughs, but not for me. With limitatations come more incentives to play as a different gender. And let's be honest, Bioware would put no thought into differing conversation points when having an increased amount of s/s options. Male Shepard romance with Garus, would be exactly the same as the Female Shepard romance with Garus. This whole argument is coming off as being immature demand of some fans; even though some fans who don't want the feature are being immature about it themselves.

Limitations = a good thing that gives us the incentives to diversifying play throughs.

I didn't play the different genders because of the romances, I don't know about everyone else.   There were other subtle changes between male Shepard and female Shepard that were more remarkable than the completely optional romances.  I don't like to define them by their respective romances, either (manshep isn't awesome because of who he romances, femshep isn't awesome because of who she romances).

There would be absolutely no chance for the s/s romances to play out like the het romances at this point because they didn't exist in the first two games.  This triology-spanning romance will be absolutely impossible, so I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that the romances would play out the same and therefore blurring the lines between manshep and femshep.

Not to mention that s/s is BRINGING diversity, not taking away from it.

Also, to quote DG:

"Privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being
catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance . . . And
the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict
options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least."

Not that he works on Mass Effect, but it pretty much sums up how I feel about it.


-- And why is this thread on the general discussion board?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 22 août 2011 - 06:48 .

[Someone With Mass]

IsaacShep wrote...
When did they say that?

Garrus hinted at it pretty well.

[shepskisaac]

Someone With Mass wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
When did they say that?

Garrus hinted at it pretty well.

Garrus hinted at "Shepard, I'm feeling amazing as heterosexual, please don't try to convince me to be bisexual"? What's the next thing you're gonna say lol

[The Uncanny]

Luigitornado wrote...

No. Making the entire crew bi would be limiting incentives to diversyfying play throughs. I have no problem with having a few s/s romances.

Well that's fine. But my point stands... more options don't limit diversity, they increase it.

Just because you can do one action/storyline/dialogue with both sexes instead of one doesn't mean you have to. You have the choice. And that is the point.

Not everyone wants to play as FShep. Not everyone wants to play as MShep. And nor should they have to.

[Luigitornado]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...
I don't want entire bisexual crew because it would limit the diversification between playing as male Shepard and female Shepard. If you want to romance Garus, then play as female Shepard. If you want to romance Tali, then play as male Shepard. The more the genders play alike, the less reason I have for choosing one over the other.

You may argue that getting rid of gender-based romances would just increase the amount of options, and respectively the amount of play throughs, but not for me. With limitatations come more incentives to play as a different gender. And let's be honest, Bioware would put no thought into differing conversation points when having an increased amount of s/s options. Male Shepard romance with Garus, would be exactly the same as the Female Shepard romance with Garus. This whole argument is coming off as being immature demand of some fans; even though some fans who don't want the feature are being immature about it themselves.

Limitations = a good thing that gives us the incentives to diversifying play throughs.

I didn't play the different genders because of the romances, I don't know about everyone else. There were other subtle changes between male Shepard and female Shepard that were more remarkable than the completely optional romances. I don't like to define them by their respective romances, either (manshep isn't awesome because of who he romances, femshep isn't awesome because of who she romances).

There would be absolutely no chance for the s/s romances to play out like the het romances at this point because they didn't exist in the first two games. This triology-spanning romance will be absolutely impossible, so I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that the romances would play out the same and therefore blurring the lines between manshep and femshep.

Not to mention that s/s is BRINGING diversity, not taking away from it.

Also, to quote DG:

"Privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being
catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance . . . And
the person who says that the only way to please them is to restrict
options for others is, if you ask me, the one who deserves it least."

Not that he works on Mass Effect, but it pretty much sums up how I feel about it.

Other than a few conversation points, male shepard and female shepard play relativley the same. The largest difference between them -- other than appearence, was romance options.

An entire bi crew is limiting incentives for diversifying play throughs. If you truly believe more options are better and less limitations are better, then I will make the argument that Bioware should scrap the paragon/renegade system, and the class system because their only purpose is to limit the player.

Why can't I be a solider with a combat drone and charge? Why can't I play as a paragon during an entire game, and then renegade-persuade Saren to kill himself? Surley getting ridding ME of such limitations would be a good thing, and increase the amount of play throughs. No?

[Sundance31us]

IsaacShep wrote...
Garrus hinted at "Shepard, I'm feeling amazing as heterosexual, please don't try to convince me to be bisexual"? What's the next thing you're gonna say lol

Calibrating….it’s all innuendo with Garrus. Not like he can wag his eyebrows at Shepard.

Edit: Format

Modifié par Sundance31us, 22 août 2011 - 06:56 .

[Xilizhra]

An entire bi crew is limiting incentives for diversifying play throughs. If you truly believe more options are better and less limitations are better, then I will make the argument that Bioware should scrap the paragon/renegade system, and the class system because their only purpose is to limit the player.

Why can't I be a solider with a combat drone and charge? Why can't I play as a paragon during an entire game, and then renegade-persuade Saren to kill himself? Surley getting ridding ME of such limitations would be a good thing, and increase the amount of play throughs. No?

Actually, neither of those ideas are horrible.