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[Gervaise]

I've now gone right through to the end without flirting with anyone else.  I did do the complete Justice Quest and Sebastian left me when I went to talk to Elthina but I'm assuming that didn't ruin our "chaste marriage" that I had agreed to earlier.   When I agreed to the chase marriage he stepped towards me but I am pretty sure we didn't make contact.   Now I had the understanding that at some point he would give one chaste kiss and presumed it would be in the Gallows before the final battle.  However, just got the reference to possibility of something but........" and the fact that I had been a good friend.  So once again, is this the correct ending of the Sebastian romance?  I am on full friendship, killed Anders (but only after I had asked for everyone's opinion) and supported mages, which Sebastian seems okay with - he acknowledges their mistreatment.  It does seem a bit of a let down since it doesn't appear to be any different to how someone would talk as a friend.  Can anyone throw any light on this?  (I have saved at strategic points so can always go back and redo)

[Knight of Dane]

Your ending is complete. That's it.

If you play legacy now with him and your sibling in the party, the marriage wil be mentioned..
That's it.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 22 août 2011 - 03:32 .

[sylvanaerie]

Sebastian's convo in the Gallows is either broken, or the only thing you get is the Friend convo regardless. Nor will he be mentioned at the end when Varric says everyone leaves Hawke except (The LI).
There is no kiss, friend or rivalmance. If you take him and your sibling in the party in Legacy, you get mention of your marriage (which happens I guess though it would have been nice to get SOME kind of scene confirming it). If you have Bethany in the party she flirts with a Rivalmanced Sebastian, and Hawke calls her on it.
Otherwise, sounds like you did everything right, provided you killed Anders, it's on track. He will support your choice (mages or templars) saying the mages there weren't responsible for Anders' actions.

[Gervaise]

I should stress that I took the trouble to get the add on because of the extra quests and additional information it added to the main plot, not for the romance. However, if the writers bother to include a romance option, you would at least think it could lead somewhere - otherwise just make him like Varric. The most annoying part is that I understood that if you wanted to get the romance, you must not flirt with anyone else, which is actually quite frustrating and somewhat pointless, since it would appear you could flirt like crazy and still get the same conversation at the end. I liked Sebastian and really appreciated some of the insights gained from his conversations with other companions but feel they wasted an opportunity to develop this aspect since it tied in well with his dilemma - he prefers the chantry life compared to the politics of being a prince but with the latter he gets to have a full romantic relationship with Hawke.

[Dave of Canada]

We've been told we're going to be seeing Starkhaven in the future and that Sebastian's story isn't over yet, so... maybe you're going to get some special Sebastian scenes for those who've romanced him. Maybe a kiss!

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 août 2011 - 09:33 .

[john-in-france]

Welcome to the UST that is the Sebastian romance...also known as frustration central.

Judy

[LT123]

I think he puts his hands on Hawke's shoulders during the chaste marriage proposal. That's about it.

[TobiTobsen]

LT123 wrote...

I think he puts his hands on Hawke's shoulders during the chaste marriage proposal. That's about it.

Hawt! ...

[Heidenreich]

He's not a true romance in the face of game mechanics because he's DLC. Thus, he doesn't give the achievement.

That being said,  it's a "chaste" marrage, so I doubt there would be kissing allowed, because kissing leads to naughty things.

That being said being said, I'm still not intirely sure why anyone would want that. Seb's adorable, sure,  and he's fun as heck to tease (flirt), but.. he's.. I mean.. its like marrying a catholic priest! *brain bleech*

Modifié par Heidenreich, 23 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[Gervaise]

Kissing does not have to be a prelude to "naughty things". It is a conventional way of showing affection between friends. In fact in ancient near eastern culture, what part of the face, body, you kissed was indicative on your social status as well as intimacy. The Kiss of Peace in Christian circles was originally on the lips until a priest suggested that some members of the congregation seemed to spend rather too much time on it, after which it changed to on the cheek!

So even if kissing on the lips is considered a step too far, how about a kiss on the forehead or a hug? The fact is that if Sebastian is too afraid that physical contact with the opposite sex will bring back all those memories of what he used to get up to before he took his vows, then it is a legitimate way of challenging his professed direction. Is he just running away from life because he cannot resist temptation?

And for Hawke the challenge is whether the Sebastian you love is the priest, in which case you agree to the chase marriage, or the prince, in which case you don't and encourage him to go in that direction.
I was happy with the chaste thing - it would just have been nice to show a bit of innocent human affection, if nothing else to show that romance doesn't have to equal getting the kit off or steamy clinches up against the wall.

[sylvanaerie]

I did the friendmance on my first playthrough. I had intended to romance Fenris but I botched his quest and never did it and was already past the deeproads when I realized I had forgotten him.
Of the two, I think I prefer Friendmanced Sebastian. He just seems sweeter, and more affectionate, you even get the proposal. Rivalmanced Sebastian just mentions you being Viscountess while he is Prince and an "alliance" between you.

I only did the rivalmance because I heard a rumor you can kiss him in the Legacy DLC, but if that was possible I never found the trigger for it.

Regardless of the path you take, the last convo treats you as 'friends' only so it was rather disappointing overall.

Hopefully, Bioware isn't just blowing smoke about seeing more of Sebastian's story, and they will develope his character further. I didn't hate him, I just found that there was a lot of unused potential that could have been done with him and was kind of 'meh' about him.

[syllogi]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I did the friendmance on my first playthrough. I had intended to romance Fenris but I botched his quest and never did it and was already past the deeproads when I realized I had forgotten him.
Of the two, I think I prefer Friendmanced Sebastian. He just seems sweeter, and more affectionate, you even get the proposal. Rivalmanced Sebastian just mentions you being Viscountess while he is Prince and an "alliance" between you.

I only did the rivalmance because I heard a rumor you can kiss him in the Legacy DLC, but if that was possible I never found the trigger for it.

Regardless of the path you take, the last convo treats you as 'friends' only so it was rather disappointing overall.

Hopefully, Bioware isn't just blowing smoke about seeing more of Sebastian's story, and they will develope his character further. I didn't hate him, I just found that there was a lot of unused potential that could have been done with him and was kind of 'meh' about him.

Nah, the Legacy rumor was a dirty lie.  You get NOTHING rivalry wise.  At least the friendmance Legacy banter is very sweet, even though I don't have a character for it.

For me, it just feels right to rival Sebastian, both for roleplaying my rogue, who wouldn't swear vows to the Chantry, and because it seems like Starkhaven would need him as a ruler much more than the Chantry needs another lay brother playing administrative assistant to Reverend Mothers.

But yeah, any small acknowledgement would have been great.  Sigh.

[Gervaise]

It is also disappointing that in the epilogue, which timewise is meant to come after Legacy, Sebastian isn't mentioned, so poor Hawke is left utterly alone - even though Fenris had also declared that he would always want to be at her side as a friend. It is one of those cases when you have to think that Varric is concealing the truth.
Incidentally I felt that being a Chantry Sister went at least some way to explaining why you would side with the Templars as a mage and, more importantly, why they would bow the knee to you and the city would beg you to be Vicount - that always previously seemed a very strange thing - let you remain free is one thing but become the ruler! However, a mage who had been spiritually married to a chantry brother by Elthina - practically her last act before the big boom, would I imagine carry some weight, particularly as Sebastian could also confirm that towards the end Elthina had been worried about Meredith no longer taking her advice (overheard conversation between Sebastian and Averline).

[Tainan7509]

He is the only person close to normal compare with Hawke's other companions.... i think.

Or maybe not 

Modifié par Tainan7509, 26 août 2011 - 02:53 .

[Bekkael]

Tainan7509 wrote...

He is the only person close to normal compare with Hawke's other companions.... i think.

Or maybe not 

There is no "normal" in DA2. There is FUBAR and slightly less FUBAR, take your pick!

Modifié par Bekkael, 26 août 2011 - 06:25 .

[sagefic]

Bekkael wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

He is the only person close to normal compare with Hawke's other companions.... i think.

Or maybe not 

There is no "normal" in DA2. There is FUBAR and slightly less FUBAR, take your pick!

LOL. this.

Btw, does anyone know - is is possible to get the 'rival' ending ('i'm going home to become a prince for you') if you have full friendship with sebastian? or do you need to max rivalry? is it full points friend--> chaste marriage and full points rivalry --> prince only, or do you just need full points in one of them (doesn't matter which) and what you tell him at the end of his personal quest determines the ending?

[syllogi]

sagequeen wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

He is the only person close to normal compare with Hawke's other companions.... i think.

Or maybe not 

There is no "normal" in DA2. There is FUBAR and slightly less FUBAR, take your pick!

LOL. this.

Btw, does anyone know - is is possible to get the 'rival' ending ('i'm going home to become a prince for you') if you have full friendship with sebastian? or do you need to max rivalry? is it full points friend--> chaste marriage and full points rivalry --> prince only, or do you just need full points in one of them (doesn't matter which) and what you tell him at the end of his personal quest determines the ending?

You have to go rivalry, at least 75 percent, and the flirt option in his conversation after the cutscene where he's talking to Aveline will be "a prince needs a princess", as opposed to the friendship flirt "I'm glad you're staying."

I'm honestly not sure what happens if you've already gotten him up to 75 percent friendship and then tell him he ought to be Prince in that conversation.  Maybe you'll get the rivalry flirt option anyway?  

[sagefic]

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

[Tainan7509]

sagequeen wrote...

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

LOL
You want to make your Hawke be a Princess just like the Warden huh.

[Bekkael]

Tainan7509 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

LOL
You want to make your Hawke be a Princess just like the Warden huh.

I would. Royalty is only fun in fairy tales (or dragon tales).

[Tainan7509]

Bekkael wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

LOL
You want to make your Hawke be a Princess just like the Warden huh.

I would. Royalty is only fun in fairy tales (or dragon tales).

aye, Agree 

[sagefic]

Bekkael wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

LOL
You want to make your Hawke be a Princess just like the Warden huh.

I would. Royalty is only fun in fairy tales (or dragon tales).

princess vs. nun? umm....

in a fantasy story, princess all the way.

in real life, dude, if i had to live through the middle ages, i would totally have become a nun, given the choice. only way to learn to read. and guys back then didn't bathe.

Modifié par sagequeen, 27 août 2011 - 02:29 .

[Knight of Dane]

You forget that Sebastian is very shiny, to keep up his shinyness he has to bathe at least once before every meal.

[Bekkael]

sagequeen wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Tainan7509 wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

^ ty, teen. i guess a rivalmance it is for me.

LOL
You want to make your Hawke be a Princess just like the Warden huh.

I would. Royalty is only fun in fairy tales (or dragon tales).

princess vs. nun? umm....

in a fantasy story, princess all the way.

in real life, dude, if i had to live through the middle ages, i would totally have become a nun, given the choice. only way to learn to read. and guys back then didn't bathe.

Well, okay, if you want to throw something pesky like reality in there, woman were basically messed. I only want to visit such times and places in RPG's.