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[Rockworm503]

Gatt9 wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

The evolution of the RPG away from stat, item, and character build obsession is a good thing. It is to be celebrated.

Well said.

Um,  an RPG without stats,  item,  or characters is either an Adventure game or a TPS.  That's not "Evolution",  that's changing genres.

I'm in absolute awe at this point,  has the industry spiraled down so far that people are so unfamiliar with genres other than Shooter that they don't even recognize the characteristics of those genres anymore?

No actually quite the opposite.  It has been for most of us that a pointless label have no place anymore.  You don't hear movie buffs crying about the latest action movie because there was some romance in it. (at least I don't think you do)

Mass Effect is an RPG a Shooter an adventure a dating sim (if you want to go there I guess)
Call it what you want its a game <<< thats all that matters to me.

[lobi]

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I never understand the backlash when a game within an IP goes off in a different direction than the rest of the series. If the game is good, why do you care if the game is different?

A good game  going in a different direction deserves it's own IP thats called honesty.

If the disconnect is too jarring it will be a different IP. When people are waiting for a continuation of an IP and the company markets somthing as 2 or 3, failing to deliver a continuation is fraud.

Modifié par lobi, 23 août 2011 - 01:10 .

[marshalleck]

Bcuz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Hey, you know stats =/= RPG right?

No, I don't know that, since RPGs have always been about abstracting the character's ability from the player's. 

No they have always been about playing the role of a charicter, the stats were simply a means to an end in the days of D&D, again, i'm not saying they do not have their place but a Role Playing Game is a Game where you Play a Role.
Not a Game of numbers.
If you want a game laden in stats and numbers I recomend Pokemon, or Final Fantasy.

Stats and numbers are there to construct an abstract model of an alternate reality, which is the framework within which the role-playing takes place. 

And I don't even know why you tell me to go play Pokemon or Final Fantasy. Mass Effect has numbers too; it's a ****ing computer game for god's sake. Computers don't understand "I hit the orc with my sword for massive damage." They crunch numbers.

[Kusy]

I am sick and tired of the discussion about RPG not being a game about stats, levels, loot and all that junk. That is what define the genre of VIDEO RPG GAMES. That definition was set by Dungeons and Dragons, a game that is about statistics, levels, loot and all that junk, every RPG game after that, video tabletop or whatever, is a mod of the DnD formula. Going further away from it is not enhancing the RPG genre of games but going in the direction of other genres.

It's like saying that a not so scary book about space frontier is the evolution of horror, because maybee it's not that scary but at least it's more about space and frontier than about suspension and fear like all the other horror books are. Well ****, it's not a horror book then but a damn sci-fi.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 23 août 2011 - 01:11 .

[Rockworm503]

Marionetten wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

RP in a game = RPG

You heard it here folks, every single game on the planet is now potentially an RPG.

You heard it here folks, people will generalize everything to try and make you look bad.

[Bcuz]

marshalleck wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

Hey, you know stats =/= RPG right?

No, I don't know that, since RPGs have always been about abstracting the character's ability from the player's. 

No they have always been about playing the role of a charicter, the stats were simply a means to an end in the days of D&D, again, i'm not saying they do not have their place but a Role Playing Game is a Game where you Play a Role.
Not a Game of numbers.
If you want a game laden in stats and numbers I recomend Pokemon, or Final Fantasy.

Stats and numbers are there to construct an abstract model of an alternate reality, which is the framework within which the role-playing takes place. 

And I don't even know why you tell me to go play Pokemon or Final Fantasy. Mass Effect has numbers too; it's a ****ing computer game for god's sake. Computers don't understand "I hit the orc with my sword for massive damage." They crunch numbers.

Of course it does, talent trees are welcome, and Mass effect 2 pulled it off well I feel, and of course there will allways be "numbers too; it's a ****ing computer game for god's sake." but im saying you don't, as the player, need to micromange those numbers through a large inventory or massive 5 page talent trees.

[marshalleck]

whoooops totally misread this post

sorry

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 août 2011 - 01:13 .

[Bcuz]

Marionetten wrote...

Bcuz wrote...

RP in a game = RPG

You heard it here folks, every single game on the planet is now potentially an RPG.

marshalleck wrote...

This is utterly absurd. Any game in which you play a character, by this definition, is an RPG. Hell this makes sports and racing games RPGs.

Playing a Role is broad I admit, but what I mean is you, as a person, give a charicter a role and motivations, like Shepard, and decide what you want to do (within the confines of sanity that go parallel with game design) like Shepard.

Modifié par Bcuz, 23 août 2011 - 01:14 .

[Kusy]

ok.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 23 août 2011 - 01:14 .

[marshalleck]

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 août 2011 - 01:16 .

[Rockworm503]

lobi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I never understand the backlash when a game within an IP goes off in a different direction than the rest of the series. If the game is good, why do you care if the game is different?

A good game  going in a different direction deserves it's own IP thats called honesty.

If the disconnect is too jarring it will be a different IP. When people are waiting for a continuation of an IP and the company markets somthing as 2 or 3, failing to deliver a continuation is fraud.

You heard it here Bioware!!! Scarp ME 3 Right now and make a straight up shooter in space.  Lets just stop pretending otherwise.  Make it exactly like Gears of War and don't even have anything but cover and shooter.
I think they can get 4 hour game in...  Yes the direction from shooter/RPG from the first game is SOOOOO Jarring because they've change it to a shooter/RPG!!! OMG the gall of them!

[Kusy]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Wrong, wrong , and wrong. There is no such thing as an rpg game. Only games with role playing elements. Some have more, some have less. Others have some in one way, others in another. There is no exact definition of an rpg.

Where Da Hood
Where Da Hood
Where Da Hood At...
this is all I have to tell you untill you change your avatar bro.

You can fire your lazor at me at best.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 23 août 2011 - 01:16 .

[Bcuz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

lobi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I never understand the backlash when a game within an IP goes off in a different direction than the rest of the series. If the game is good, why do you care if the game is different?

A good game  going in a different direction deserves it's own IP thats called honesty.

If the disconnect is too jarring it will be a different IP. When people are waiting for a continuation of an IP and the company markets somthing as 2 or 3, failing to deliver a continuation is fraud.

You heard it here Bioware!!! Scarp ME 3 Right now and make a straight up shooter in space.  Lets just stop pretending otherwise.  Make it exactly like Gears of War and don't even have anything but cover and shooter.
I think they can get 4 hour game in...  Yes the direction from shooter/RPG from the first game is SOOOOO Jarring because they've change it to a shooter/RPG!!! OMG the gall of them!

There's a difference between

"RPG with 5 page stats and more complications than there need to be to shoot in space"
"RPG where you have a small talent tree to decide your combat skills to shoot in space"
and
"G where you shoot in space."
ME1 being the first (sorta...)
ME2 being the second
and whatever you're describing being the third.

[Rockworm503]

Bcuz wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

lobi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I never understand the backlash when a game within an IP goes off in a different direction than the rest of the series. If the game is good, why do you care if the game is different?

A good game  going in a different direction deserves it's own IP thats called honesty.

If the disconnect is too jarring it will be a different IP. When people are waiting for a continuation of an IP and the company markets somthing as 2 or 3, failing to deliver a continuation is fraud.

You heard it here Bioware!!! Scarp ME 3 Right now and make a straight up shooter in space.  Lets just stop pretending otherwise.  Make it exactly like Gears of War and don't even have anything but cover and shooter.
I think they can get 4 hour game in...  Yes the direction from shooter/RPG from the first game is SOOOOO Jarring because they've change it to a shooter/RPG!!! OMG the gall of them!

There's a difference between

"RPG with 5 page stats and more complications than there need to be to shoot in space"
"RPG where you have a small talent tree to decide your combat skills to shoot in space"
and
"G where you shoot in space."
ME1 being the first (sorta...)
ME2 being the second
and whatever you're describing being the third.

I'm not entirely sure what your getting at but you do realize my post was sarcasm right?

[Bcuz]

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

The Escapist article: "BioWare co-founder says RPG's are becoming less relevant...

Is it because people are becoming less intelligent?
What do i win?

Vague post is vague.

[Kusy]

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

The Escapist article: "BioWare co-founder says RPG's are becoming less relevant...

Is it because people are becoming less intelligent?
What do i win?

This just made me ralise. Why are you people arguing that BioWare is making an evoultion of RPG when their co founder just said that they are actualy more into dumping that genre?

[Rockworm503]

Bcuz wrote...

KaidanWilliamsShepard wrote...

The Escapist article: "BioWare co-founder says RPG's are becoming less relevant...

Is it because people are becoming less intelligent?
What do i win?

Vague post is vague.

Its more like
Lame Troll is Lame.

[RiouHotaru]

lobi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
This is why I never understand the backlash when a game within an IP goes off in a different direction than the rest of the series. If the game is good, why do you care if the game is different?

A good game  going in a different direction deserves it's own IP thats called honesty.

If the disconnect is too jarring it will be a different IP. When people are waiting for a continuation of an IP and the company markets somthing as 2 or 3, failing to deliver a continuation is fraud.

No it doesn't deserve it's own IP, and no it's not a fraud.  It's called "trying something different".

Take Silent Hill 4, a game which wasn't even a SH game to begin with, which goes in a completely different direction from the rest of the franchise, and it was still well-received.

Same with Shattered Memories.

Now Book of Memories has it's trailer shown and everyone is throwing a huge fit because it's "no longer Silent-Hill" and being labeled as "brand-whoring" because it doesn't look identical to it's predecessors.

By your own logic, ME2 should've been it's own IP because it wasn't a direct continuation.  It's similar, but mechanically it's almost a completely different game.

[Bcuz]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not entirely sure what your getting at but you do realize my post was sarcasm right?

I appologize, lots of things to quote and lots of arguements to argue, sometimes I skim a bit too fast for the context...

Modifié par Bcuz, 23 août 2011 - 01:23 .