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[T3H Fish]

@Ethereal

Ya, I can see the problems with it. Maybe it's something that'll be explained in more detail in DA3 or it's just another detail that slipped through the cracks on the devs part.

I'd really like to see a fully mature Male dragon, just so I can go 'oh that's awesome' before I add its bones to my super-sized dragonbone bed.

[TEWR]

I think a Drake is the fully mature form of a male dragon.

Which is kinda lame imo.

[T3H Fish]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think a Drake is the fully mature form of a male dragon.

Which is kinda lame imo.

I'd be very disappointed if that was the case. I want to see the wyvern-like form they seem to describe the males becoming when they mature... though it is suggesting that can't fly which makes me wonder... how does it mate with something bigger than itself? 

[Gespenst]

^ Lots of animals do, just look at the Labradoodle.

Doesn't it go

M > Dragonling > Drake
F > Dragonling > Mature Dragon > Sex > High Dragon.

Modifié par Gespenst, 23 août 2011 - 03:51 .

[devSin]

I think there's another dragon in between dragonling and mature dragon (so maybe there's a mature drake out there somewhere).

Anyway, the form it describes is exactly what's in Origins. It's basically a lizard (or just the dragon model sans wings, depending how much you like to disparage the art department).

[T3H Fish]

devSin wrote...

I think there's another dragon in between dragonling and mature dragon (so maybe there's a mature drake out there somewhere).

Anyway, the form it describes is exactly what's in Origins. It's basically a lizard (or just the dragon model sans wings, depending how much you like to disparage the art department).

Part of codex regarding Drakes
Male dragons never develop into the winged monsters of myth. At most, their forelegs grow vestigial spurs where wing membrane might have been.

Part of codex regarding Dragons
Female dragons take much longer to mature than their male counterparts. They too undergo a metamorphosis of sorts at adulthood; But while males lose the use of their forepaws, females actually grow a third set of limbs specifically to serve as wings.

I'm REALLY confused now. The males lose use of their forepaws... so is a male dragon some freakish two-legged lizard-worm or was someone not paying attention to what they were writting? 

[TEWR]

T3H Fish wrote...

devSin wrote...

I think there's another dragon in between dragonling and mature dragon (so maybe there's a mature drake out there somewhere).

Anyway, the form it describes is exactly what's in Origins. It's basically a lizard (or just the dragon model sans wings, depending how much you like to disparage the art department).

Part of codex regarding Drakes
Male dragons never develop into the winged monsters of myth. At most, their forelegs grow vestigial spurs where wing membrane might have been.

Part of codex regarding Dragons
Female dragons take much longer to mature than their male counterparts. They too undergo a metamorphosis of sorts at adulthood; But while males lose the use of their forepaws, females actually grow a third set of limbs specifically to serve as wings.

I'm REALLY confused now. The males lose use of their forepaws... so is a male dragon some freakish two-legged lizard-worm or was someone not paying attention to what they were writting? 

Here you go:



See the protrusions around the foreleg area on this drake's back? That's what the codex is talking about

[T3H Fish]

@Ethereal

Ok, I get that model for understanding the anatomy of the Drakes, but the Dragon description makes no sense, unless it was just writer hindsight, in which case I'll just ignore it for the time being.

[lobi]

Lots of different types of Geckos, just saying.This is a JRR Tolkien gecko, but same concept.

Modifié par lobi, 23 août 2011 - 04:50 .

[TEWR]

I want to know if there are any dragons of other elemental affinities. We've seen fire dragons. The Queen of the Blackmarsh was an electrical dragon, but was that because of the Fade connection she had?

And the Archdemons deal with spiritual damage, but is that due to the corruption caused by the Darkspawn?

[devSin]

T3H Fish wrote...

Ok, I get that model for understanding the anatomy of the Drakes, but the Dragon description makes no sense, unless it was just writer hindsight, in which case I'll just ignore it for the time being.

I think they lose the use of their forepaws for anything but motion. So they stand and walk on their legs. But they're not really able to get those front legs off the ground (to swipe at you, for instance).

Dragons, meanwhile, gain two extra limbs (the wings, which grow in addition to their four legs), which, combined with their tail, allows them to rear up and perform other actions (they don't actually have use of their "hands", but they can maintain a position in which those forepaws can actually be used beyond simply feet), and they can probably also make use of them when in flight.

At least that's the way I'd read the codex. Drakes have four limbs, and the forelimb pair cannot be used as arms (nor the forepaws as hands).

Modifié par devSin, 23 août 2011 - 05:27 .

[T3H Fish]

Maybe male dragons look like T-rexes... with scrawny fore limbs that serve no purpose at all but they're still there. That'd be an awkward looking dragon.

[devSin]

There's no such thing as a male dragon. A dragon that's male is by definition a drake.

And as you see in the screenshot, the drake looks nothing like a t-rex. :-)

[T3H Fish]

devSin wrote...

There's no such thing as a male dragon. A dragon that's male is by definition a drake.

And as you see in the screenshot, the drake looks nothing like a t-rex. :-)

You just have to ruin my fun, don't you. <_<

[Conduit0]

T3H Fish wrote...

Maybe male dragons look like T-rexes... with scrawny fore limbs that serve no purpose at all but they're still there. That'd be an awkward looking dragon.

The entry says forepaws not forelimbs I think its specifically referring to the fact that dragons and high dragons can grasp and carry things with their front feet, much like a bird prey can grasp prey in its feet. A convenient adaptation for a flying carnivore, so it can carry its kills back to its lair. However drakes can't fly, and so they have no need for the ability to grasp and carry things with their front feet, because they need them for walking instead.

[T3H Fish]

Conduit0 wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

Maybe male dragons look like T-rexes... with scrawny fore limbs that serve no purpose at all but they're still there. That'd be an awkward looking dragon.

The entry says forepaws not forelimbs I think its specifically referring to the fact that dragons and high dragons can grasp and carry things with their front feet, much like a bird prey can grasp prey in its feet. A convenient adaptation for a flying carnivore, so it can carry its kills back to its lair. However drakes can't fly, and so they have no need for the ability to grasp and carry things with their front feet, because they need them for walking instead.

That makes more sense. It still sounds odd, but at least now the males don't sound like freaks of nature.

[Conduit0]

Filament wrote...

Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to say males stay in a flightless state, then, and females gain the use of their forepaws since they don't necessarily need them for locomotion anymore? The males can't lose something they never had.

A dragon would need to learn how to use its front feet before it reached maturity and gained its wing, and since dragonlings appear to be born sexually indistinct, it would make since that both male and females have full use of their paws up until they go through the metamorphosis into adulthood. Also look at the fact that Drakes have vestigial wings, which suggests that atleast at one point male dragons likely had wings and could fly and have since lost that ability for whatever reason.

Modifié par Conduit0, 23 août 2011 - 05:53 .

[Conduit0]

Filament wrote...

I don't understand why they would unlearn the use of their front paws if they learned it during their flightless dragonling years and nothing physiologically changed preventing them from using their front paws upon reaching drake-hood. Unless you are proposing that those vestigial spikes they develop on their elbows and shoulders limit motion.

The front paws metamorphosize from grasping hands into walking feet. Think of it like the difference between a monkey's foot thats designed for grasping branches and climbing through trees, to a human foot suited for walking on solid ground.

[T3H Fish]

Conduit0 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't understand why they would unlearn the use of their front paws if they learned it during their flightless dragonling years and nothing physiologically changed preventing them from using their front paws upon reaching drake-hood. Unless you are proposing that those vestigial spikes they develop on their elbows and shoulders limit motion.

The front paws metamorphosize from grasping hands into walking feet. Think of it like the difference between a monkey's foot thats designed for grasping branches and climbing through trees, to a human foot suited for walking on solid ground.

Why would their paws/claws have to change in the first place when they're already suited for walking? Considering if males can't fly, they have to be able to climb up rocks and such to get to the female dragon's lair.

Modifié par T3H Fish, 23 août 2011 - 06:10 .

[Conduit0]

T3H Fish wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't understand why they would unlearn the use of their front paws if they learned it during their flightless dragonling years and nothing physiologically changed preventing them from using their front paws upon reaching drake-hood. Unless you are proposing that those vestigial spikes they develop on their elbows and shoulders limit motion.

The front paws metamorphosize from grasping hands into walking feet. Think of it like the difference between a monkey's foot thats designed for grasping branches and climbing through trees, to a human foot suited for walking on solid ground.

Why would their paws/claws have to change in the first place when they're already suited for walking? Considering if males can't fly, they have to be able to climb up rocks and such to get to the female dragon's lair.

I don't know, I'm just interpreting whats been written in logical and biologically sound fashion. If you want to argue with Thedas' version of Mother Nature that Drakes didn't need to evolve a front foot better suited to life as a flightless quadruped, you go right ahead.

[T3H Fish]

Conduit0 wrote...

T3H Fish wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Filament wrote...

I don't understand why they would unlearn the use of their front paws if they learned it during their flightless dragonling years and nothing physiologically changed preventing them from using their front paws upon reaching drake-hood. Unless you are proposing that those vestigial spikes they develop on their elbows and shoulders limit motion.

The front paws metamorphosize from grasping hands into walking feet. Think of it like the difference between a monkey's foot thats designed for grasping branches and climbing through trees, to a human foot suited for walking on solid ground.

Why would their paws/claws have to change in the first place when they're already suited for walking? Considering if males can't fly, they have to be able to climb up rocks and such to get to the female dragon's lair.

I don't know, I'm just interpreting whats been written in logical and biologically sound fashion. If you want to argue with Thedas' version of Mother Nature that Drakes didn't need to evolve a front foot better suited to life as a flightless quadruped, you go right ahead.

I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm thinking just as logically and biologically as you are. It's that if the forepaws change, what would they evolve into that doesn't impede the male's ability to get around and climb the mountains when looking for a female's lair... it's just odd