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[Luminus]

I am replaying Baldur's Gate with EasyTutu and decided on a Cavalier and the canon party.
What proficiencies should I take?
I will be getting Carsormyr in BG2 naturally, so Two-Handed Style is a must there.
But what about BG1? Here are my options:

a) Longsword n Shield Style, rest points in Flail/Mace.
Longsword, then Two-handed sword/style.
c) Longsword, then Flail/Mace, then Two-Handed Sword and then Two Handed Style in BG2.

I want a longsword and shield first, since Minsc and Khalid will be using the Two Handers.
Is Sword and Shield Style worth it?

[AnonymousHero]

Sword & Shield is practically useless. It doesn't increase criticals, and AC becomes more and more useless as the game wears on.

Personally, I'd go for two-weapon style (**), flail(**), long sword(**) as soon as possible. You can easily get two Flail+1 very early in BG1, and you can get a lovely +2 long sword. (I believe a Long Sword+1 can be purchased early, too, so you may want to go for Long Swords first.)

It'll probably be some time before you can get the Carsomyr, so you'll probably have plenty of time to put pips into two-handed swords by that time.

Another gotcha: Only put one pip into two-handed weapon style. (Despite what the help text may say, this is all you need for extra criticals.)

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Yeah, cavaliers (with extra merchants installed) may want to go for flails at some point.

One thing where I'm of different opinion to AnonymousHero:
Try to get a ranged weapon as well. Cavaliers are not normally allowed this, but for some reason throwing axes and daggers don't count.

[amanasleep]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...

Yeah, cavaliers (with extra merchants installed) may want to go for flails at some point.

One thing where I'm of different opinion to AnonymousHero:
Try to get a ranged weapon as well. Cavaliers are not normally allowed this, but for some reason throwing axes and daggers don't count.

Daggers are better in BG1, but I would go Axes because in BG2 you can get Azuredge early plus Rifthome which is quite good.  Later you can upgrade to K'logarath which is really cool.

[morbidest2]

Two other reasons for never putting a point into sword and shield style are that the benefits are chiefly against ranged - not melee - weaons, and the ones used against you rapidly become less and less important even in BG, let alone BG2, and there is no penalty against using a shield in a tough battle when your early AC is high even if you lack skill points in S&S.

[Adulz]

Huh? I was under the impression there was plenty of melee and ranged challange your frontliners have to put up with, especially late in the game. The difference between -8 and -18 AC determines how long your fighters can go without a heal spell, and therefore it affects your whole party's survivability. And by that point in the game you'll have spent way more proficiency points than you'd ever needed, so I see no reason not to put points into shields if you use them.

[polytope]

Adulz wrote...

Huh? I was under the impression there was plenty of melee and ranged challange your frontliners have to put up with, especially late in the game. The difference between -8 and -18 AC determines how long your fighters can go without a heal spell, and therefore it affects your whole party's survivability. And by that point in the game you'll have spent way more proficiency points than you'd ever needed, so I see no reason not to put points into shields if you use them.

I'm a bit late to this thread, but my thoughts are as follows:

In BG1, getting mastery in weapons takes priority over putting points in sword and shield style, as the +2 THACO bonus in going from specialization to mastery is significant at low levels, while there are plenty of AC vs missile boosting items for example the girdle of piercing + boots of avoidance plus cloak of displacement worn together give a + 12 bonus to AC vs missiles - add the claw of Kazgaroth if you want (and care spare the cash) for -16 AC bonus.

In BG2, the easily available reflection shield negates missile attacks entirely (it's overpowered, in fact).
 
Even if you don't use the shield, the damage of missile weapons is quite nerfed anyway, and unlikely to pose a great threat (excepting Kuo-Toans, and a few boss types in ToB).

[Luminus]

Thanks guys. I didn't put any points in Sword n Shield Style and don't plan to. Since my Cavalier closes the distance with the enemy archers, they switch to melee, so any points there would be wasted.
That style is much more useful to Jaheira.

One question though: how far is the Carsomyr in the game? I believe it's quite far but I could be wrong.

For my last two points I'm thinking of putting them in Bastard Swords and then in BG2 start putting points in Two-Handed Swords. My point is that I don't want to get the Carsomyr and not being able to use it.

[Adulz]

Luminus wrote...

One question though: how far is the Carsomyr in the game? I believe it's quite far but I could be wrong.

Well you can get to it pretty early in the game, in the first chapter actually. However, obtaining it is a challenge normally only high-level parties can overcome. But if you make the proper precautions and make use of all of your available tactics, you might be able to do it early on.

[Charlestonian Knight Templar]

Luminus wrote...

I am replaying Baldur's Gate with EasyTutu and decided on a Cavalier and the canon party.
What proficiencies should I take?
I will be getting Carsormyr in BG2 naturally,

a) Longsword n Shield Style, rest points in Flail/Mace.
Longsword, then Two-handed sword/style.
c) Longsword, then Flail/Mace, then Two-Handed Sword and then Two Handed Style in BG2.

I want a longsword and shield first, since Minsc and Khalid will be using the Two Handers.
Is Sword and Shield Style worth it?

Luminous, Here's a way of looking at it with BGII in mind.  If it were me, I'd go with choice A. 

Strategy : Begin with two** each in LS and SSS and max them out.  Then begin picking them up in Flail/Mace and keep going. Not sure why you wouldn't max out SSS since arrows are a big part of the game, esp: in BGI.

Minsc has your 2-Handed Sword in BGI (but unless you mod him Khalid has a Bastard Swd). 

I would carry your PC over to BGII with an eye on adding Keldorn to use Carsormyr and having your PC become an absolute stud with the Flail of the Ages.  Then try to pick up Blade of the Roses, Equalizer, Blackrazor or some such as your LS/slashing weapon.

CKT

Modifié par Charlestonian Knight Templar, 31 août 2011 - 01:45 .

[morbidest2]

Basically S&S skill points helps you against ranged weapons, which is of some use in BG1 and a total waste in BG2. You don't need S&S to pick up a shield and protect yourself in melees. If your goal is to become a supertank, then either concentrate on 2handed weapons and 2 handed skills OR think about long swords, axes, flails and, ultimately Crom Fayr AND two weapon style skill points. Both paths work.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

If a paladin goes for Carsomyr too early, (s)he loses out on some XP. Better go the long way. (also, even if you go ASAP, it'd be chapter 2, not chapter 1)

[Luminus]

Charlestonian Knight Templar wrote...

Luminous, Here's a way of looking at it with BGII in mind.  If it were me, I'd go with choice A. 

Strategy : Begin with two** each in LS and SSS and max them out.  Then begin picking them up in Flail/Mace and keep going. Not sure why you wouldn't max out SSS since arrows are a big part of the game, esp: in BGI.

Minsc has your 2-Handed Sword in BGI (but unless you mod him Khalid has a Bastard Swd). 

I would carry your PC over to BGII with an eye on adding Keldorn to use Carsormyr and having your PC become an absolute stud with the Flail of the Ages.  Then try to pick up Blade of the Roses, Equalizer, Blackrazor or some such as your LS/slashing weapon.

CKT

Well, got to Baldur's Gate and I am 7th level. Put two points in Two-Handed Swords already but I'm thinking of "retraining" them to Bastard Swords, with Shadowkeeper.

Arrows aren't a problem, for my Cavalier, as I figured out. My AC is -6 so they rarely hit me.

I installed the Level 0 NPC part of Stratagems, because the proficiencies in EasyTutu are a mess to put it lightly. Khalid is an archer with 4 points in Longbows and 2 points in Two-Handed Swords as a backup weapon.

To be honest, I find Inquisitors cheesy and don't contribute to the party as much.
My party will be Me, Minsc, Jaheira, Yoshimo/Imoen, Aerie and probably Valygar.

Also I'm playing naturally so no rushing to get the Carsomyr.

[Charlestonian Knight Templar]

Luminus wrote...

Well, got to Baldur's Gate and I am 7th level. Put two points in Two-Handed Swords already but I'm thinking of "retraining" them to Bastard Swords, with Shadowkeeper.

Arrows aren't a problem, for my Cavalier, as I figured out. My AC is -6 so they rarely hit me.

I installed the Level 0 NPC part of Stratagems, because the proficiencies in EasyTutu are a mess to put it lightly. Khalid is an archer with 4 points in Longbows and 2 points in Two-Handed Swords as a backup weapon.

To be honest, I find Inquisitors cheesy and don't contribute to the party as much. My party will be Me, Minsc, Jaheira, Yoshimo/Imoen, Aerie and probably Valygar.

Also I'm playing naturally so no rushing to get the Carsomyr.

@ Luminous: Sounds like you've got a good plan.  With 2-points already in 2HS no reason to turn back now. 

Never have used Stratagems so I can't comment on that. 

Ofcourse, if you didn't like Keldorn as a Inquisitor you could use Level1NPCs (that's the one I'm familiar with) or another to change him to vanilla Paladin or Cavalier if you liked. 

Good choice on Valygar.

CKT

Modifié par Charlestonian Knight Templar, 01 septembre 2011 - 02:47 .