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[Sylvius the Mad]

In Exile wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Other than open derision, I don't see any use for sarcasm at all.

I don't see != there isn't.

That you use it in a different way doesn't change what it is.  Mockery.

I'm simply surprised that mockery is so popular.

[Aradace]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Other than open derision, I don't see any use for sarcasm at all.

I don't see != there isn't.

That you use it in a different way doesn't change what it is.  Mockery.

I'm simply surprised that mockery is so popular.

Not attempting to be disrespectful in the least Sylvius, because I respect alot of what you post.  But are you capable of humor? Seeing your view on this, and then thinking about alot of your other posts Ive seen, I have yet to see you use humor of any kind whatsoever.  Just seems to me that you're very...well..."serious" all the time.  With that being the case, I can understand why you wouldnt have use for something like sarcasm.  But to those of us who arent serious and logical all the time, we enjoy sarcasm and/or humor.  And because of that, it's safe to assume, using your metaphor, that there exists a Hawke in his/her universe that is the same way, snarky and/or sarcastic whenever the opportunity arises.  It might or might not be meant as scornful.  Or, it could be deeper (depending on how you rp it.) in that he/she is sarcastic because it is a defense mechanism that allows them to cope with stress.  

It is not safe to say, however, that every single Hawke, in every single variation of Thedas, is a "logical, serious, and helpful being" all the time or even part of the time.  Its another one of those, "the only limits to hawke's personality is the bounds of your imagination as the player".  It may be hard to fathom that not everyone is a serious and logical person all the time but that's what makes us diverse.  

Again, not attempting to be disrespectful to you but that's just what Ive seen.  You seem like you could benefit from some humor in your life Sylvius.  In the words of the Joker: "Why so serious?"

[In Exile]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That you use it in a different way doesn't change what it is.  Mockery.

On what grounds do you say that? What definition are you using?

I'm simply surprised that mockery is so popular.

Mockery is popular for a lot of reasons (not that sarcasm has to be mockery), which have to do with mutual vulnerabilities and building friendships. 

[Arthur Cousland]

Being a smart*** myself, I laughed at many of sarcastic Hawke's responses.

There were a few instances where a sarcastic/humorous response felt out of place and made Hawke look a bit insensitive or like a jerk, but overall I liked sarcastic Hawke. They have more personality and are more fun, rather than being all serious or polite all of the time. Many times, the other npc in the conversation laughs too.

I've recently started a new Origins playthrough to work on a more ideal import, and I have to say that Origins does start off really slow.  The game does pick up nicely after Ostagar and Lothering, but it's tough just to get to that point.  If I have to play through the magi origin again, I think I'll go mad.

I've finished Origins+all the dlc many times, but it feels like I'm just burned out from it after a year of mostly playing Origins.  DA2, while not as good overall as Origins, it is the new, fresh game, with certainly more exciting combat. 

Hopefully DA3 can take the best of both games and make it the best Dragon Age game yet.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 02 septembre 2011 - 10:30 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

In Exile wrote...

Mockery is popular for a lot of reasons (not that sarcasm has to be mockery), which have to do with mutual vulnerabilities and building friendships. 

I don't understand you people at all.

[FieryDove]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Mockery is popular for a lot of reasons (not that sarcasm has to be mockery), which have to do with mutual vulnerabilities and building friendships. 

I don't understand you people at all.

I had a few Hawke's who would use humor to deflect how much they felt life was the pits at that given point in the game.

[In Exile]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I don't understand you people at all.

It's a psychological/biological mechanism. People (typically) will form an emotional connection more often when they are vulnerable in some way. Lots of theoretical reasons you can throw around for it, but for many people this is true. It is a kind of hard-wired quid pro quo. With emotional trauma. 

[Reno_Tarshil]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Mockery is popular for a lot of reasons (not that sarcasm has to be mockery), which have to do with mutual vulnerabilities and building friendships. 

I don't understand you people at all.

What do you mean You People?

[Texhnolyze101]

I still play DAO i haven't played DA2 since april so that should tell you which one i like more.

[Sylvius the Mad]

PuppyFlavour wrote...

In Exile wrote...

It's a psychological/biological mechanism. People (typically) will form an emotional connection more often when they are vulnerable in some way. Lots of theoretical reasons you can throw around for it, but for many people this is true. It is a kind of hard-wired quid pro quo. With emotional trauma.

I can attest to that. In the pant-wetting minutes before an exam I always make more friends out of the complete strangers who are there to take the exam with me than in any other situation even though the conversations invariably consists only of  "ARE YOU NERVOUS I'M NERVOUS boy I should really have started studying sooner than just a WEEK AGO ahaha *sob*".

That behaviour is completely alien to me.

[Fishy]

I played origin so much that i don't even dare to touch it with a 60 ft pole

[Anomaly-]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
That behaviour is completely alien to me.

Ditto. And lol, I don't think I've ever given myself a week to study for an exam. More like 2 days.

As for the sarcasm, don't be so surprised. This is an internet forum, after all, which tend to be frequented by nerds, who tend to possess one conversational undertone, that being sarcasm. You know, the socially awkward types who don't really know how to talk to people or handle conflict, so instead resort to being sarcastic, never stop trying to be funny and never stop failing at doing so. Sarcastic Hawke knows his target audience well.

Modifié par Anomaly-, 02 septembre 2011 - 11:36 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

PuppyFlavour wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

That behaviour is completely alien to me.

Well, there you go then. The behavior exists even if you don't personally understand it. Which means that people that do understand it will see reasons for using/liking sarcasm even if you cannot.

The trouble is, the sarcastic response in DA2 is generally the only option between unequivocal support and unequivocal opposition, and it's not a viable option for characters who wouldn't use sarcasm.

DA2's dialogue system is restrictive to an absurd degree.

[erynnar]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I still play DAO i haven't played DA2 since april so that should tell you which one i like more.

Same here, though I admit to playing DA2 more recently because of Legacy.

[MagmaSaiyan]

all i know is ever since DA2's combat(and lack of origins) i now will do W&S and Archery

Modifié par MagmaSaiyan, 03 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[Hedera]

I modded the crap out of DA:O and find it playable again. But the combat still sucks.
*inb4consolekiddiesarekillinggaming*

[Reno_Tarshil]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I modded the crap out of DA:O and find it playable again. But the combat still sucks.
*inb4consolekiddiesarekillinggaming*

I modded the hell out of origins too to make it look more like DA2 but the lack of a voiced protagonist still brings me down a bit.

[Sylvius the Mad]

cgrimm54 wrote...

I modded the crap out of DA:O and find it playable again.

I modded DA2 extensively to make it playable the first time.  And it still fights me every step of the way.

[alex90c]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

PuppyFlavour wrote...

In Exile wrote...

It's a psychological/biological mechanism. People (typically) will form an emotional connection more often when they are vulnerable in some way. Lots of theoretical reasons you can throw around for it, but for many people this is true. It is a kind of hard-wired quid pro quo. With emotional trauma.

I can attest to that. In the pant-wetting minutes before an exam I always make more friends out of the complete strangers who are there to take the exam with me than in any other situation even though the conversations invariably consists only of  "ARE YOU NERVOUS I'M NERVOUS boy I should really have started studying sooner than just a WEEK AGO ahaha *sob*".

That behaviour is completely alien to me.

Just curious, but do you like ... have ... how can I put this...

...mental ... differences?

This is probably the worst I've ever phrased something.

Point I'm trying to make however, is that how is that behaviou completely alien to you? I think almost everyone has felt like this (and the other examples posted earlier) at some point but then you say you're completely unfamiliar with it which I find kinda odd.

[erynnar]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

I did that too, and while I LOVED the atmoshere and how varied and wonderful the environments felt and the epic-ness of the story (Lothering)...I too found the combat very slow when used to DA2's frantic ninja GoW style fighting. I didn't really miss the voiced protagonist because I loved not having only 3 choices to respond and being able to talk to companions anytime I wanted.

Hmm now if only there was a way to take the speed and skills of fighting from DA2 (no waves, no blood balloons) with the massive epic environments/story of DAO into one game...

DAO combat doesn't bother me, I don't need hyper kenetic, but a middle between DAO and DA2 combat would suit me just fine.  

Voiced protag can go away, I don't hate it, nor do I love it.

I can replay DAO forever, it's that detailed and that good. DA2 I have to do in doses or wait until I need content for my fanfic. Legacy I can play more than DA2.

[erynnar]

Redcoat wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Redcoat wrote...

I was thinking of something. I can't play DA2 again, but maybe I'm just looking at it the wrong way...

I'm sure many of you have seen the Super Mario Bros. film, then wondered "What the hell is this? How do you go from a cartoonish 2D platformer to a film like this?"  That was my reaction, until someone opened my eyes and told me, "Don't look at it as a video game movie; look at it as a parody of terrible movie adaptations of video games." When I watched the film again, it went from something utterly stupid to bloody brilliant!

I wonder if DA2 could be approached the same way. The game could so easily be made into a Horatian satire of RPGs, both from BioWare and others. It hits all the right notes for a parody; you've got the clueless, incompetent hero, the comical exaggeration of just about  everything, and the art style that seems to borrow from everything from Avatar to Final Fantasy.

Indeed.

Why, there's even a moment  where the Developers of the game step out and send you a seriously direct  message  via Flemeth.

Anyone remember this exchange  in the prologue?

Flemeth Offers to transport  the party  past the darkspawn in exchange for delivering some trinket to the Dalish.
Hawke:  I guess we don't have much choice.
Flemeth: We never do

Bah! How could I miss that? And the bloke in the Hanged Man who says something like, "Don't you think that the whole world is getting simpler?" If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a case of Bored On Board.

Oh I totally forgot Flemeth's comment. The "Talkative Man" at the pub I remember clearly.

[erynnar]

errant_knight wrote...

Reno_Tarshil wrote...

I just can't. I've been spoiled by the stylish fight gameplay and voiced protagonist, that I can't go back and playthrough Origins. I tried but got quickly bored by how slow everything suddenly felt.

Don't get me wrong I played the hell out of Origins before DA2, but now it just seems so slow moving and not engaging.

Has anyone felt this way?

No, I hated the things that drew you in. I guess we're just representative of the divide (chasm-like) that Bioware has created in their fanbase. There's a reason that companies usually create new titles when they want to instigate radical change, rather than changing style midstream.

I have said that before too errant, that this is DA2 not DA6. If they wanted to strip an RPG of it's more RPG elements and make a game for people that don't like RPGs then they should have done so with a brand new IP and game rather than trying it with a well loved and successful franchise.