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[Boiny Bunny]

marshalleck wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Shepard already did canonically die. It was just a minor setback. If Shepard dies again he can just be Lazarused again. Death isn't final and frankly thanks to ME2 opening scenes, it's meaningless and without impact.

That is of course, assuming the body can be recovered.  If Shepard was say incinerated by a Reaper laser, there would be no Lazurus project to bring him/her back.

But it would still lack impact, since we've all seen Shepard die in the line of duty. Killing the protagonist of a story isn't something one should do lightly, and Bioware did it. Now it has cheapened any "heroic sacrifice" that could be made at the conclusion of the trilogy. 

I agree - but I'm sure ME3 will nonetheless include at least one ending where Shepard dies (whether or not it is in vain is another matter entirely )

[Boiny Bunny]

Tommy6860 wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Shepard already did canonically die. It was just a minor setback. If Shepard dies again he can just be Lazarused again. Death isn't final and frankly thanks to ME2 opening scenes, it's meaningless and without impact.

That is of course, assuming the body can be recovered.  If Shepard was say incinerated by a Reaper laser, there would be no Lazurus project to bring him/her back.

You mean, there would be no need for a Lazarus Project :

lol, yes!

[crimzontearz]

CommanderWilliams wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

ME3 is upon us, and no one knows what will happen. My question is, do you think Shepard will canonically die? Would be an interesting ending to the Legend of Shepard.

Something I think would be cool is the ultimate Paragon or Renegade choice, you must choice between Shepards life and the entire Normabdy crew.

uh......**** no

what the **** is it with this trend that in order to make the end "mean" something or be "mature" or "not a disney ending" the hero has to die (or be a total jerk like in FO3 or  be royally ****ed over)?

No, I spent LITERALLY 100's of hours on EACH of the Mass Effect games and yes do want my goddamn happy ending

I think most of us have spent alot of time on these games. I wasn't trying to follow a trend, I just feel it would be the bittersweet ending ME would likely have. The happiest this ending will be is Shepard and his/her love interesting repopulating the galaxy

and yes the trend is there

there is a vocal minority on every big franchise forum asking for the same ****. 

"Please Bungie, Kill Master Chief John 117 at the end of Halo 3....there is no other way to make the ending awesome enough"

"Please Epic, Kill off Delta Squad at the end of GoW 3....if they survive then it's a disney ending"

"Hey Rocksteady......can you kill off Batman at the end of Arkham city? It would be so awesome and heroic!"


no, no, no and HELL NO. That sort of ending is unsatisfying to the vast majority of the players and it would crush replay value for most of them 

[-Tentei-]

He gets married near the end before the final mission and then he has to make the choice, either him and his wife or the crew.

[100k]

The first enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

[Boiny Bunny]

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

[CommanderWilliams]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Too many people are expecting to be married at the end. More are expecting nothing but a happy ending where everyone lives.

It'll never happen.

lol, Shepard will never get married/have kids in-game, even in an ending scene.  That would not in any way fit with the overall tone of the story.

If I know Bioware, the most likely outcome for Shepard, is that he/she mysteriously disappears a few months after the end of ME3.

Dragon Age 3: Commander Shepard.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

100k wrote...

The first enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

I will kill death to death.

[crimzontearz]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

[DarthCaine]

There is no canon...

[J-Sheridan]

BW history on endings makes it highly likely Shepard is shafted dead or not.
He will either live and vanish for an obscure reason
OR
He will die as some stupid personification of Jesus / Saviour of humanity / Neo etc.

[Longsword-83]

CommanderWilliams wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Too many people are expecting to be married at the end. More are expecting nothing but a happy ending where everyone lives.

It'll never happen.

lol, Shepard will never get married/have kids in-game, even in an ending scene.  That would not in any way fit with the overall tone of the story.

If I know Bioware, the most likely outcome for Shepard, is that he/she mysteriously disappears a few months after the end of ME3.

Dragon Age 3: Commander Shepard.

DUDE! Don't spoil the DA3 Signature Edition DLC!

[crimzontearz]

DarthCaine wrote...

There is no canon...

Sovereign was destroyed.........that is canon
The Normandy SR1 was destroyed by the collectors......that is canon

there is more obviously

[Locutus_of_BORG]

marshalleck wrote...

Shepard already did canonically die. It was just a minor setback. If Shepard dies again he can just be Lazarused again. Death isn't final and frankly thanks to ME2 opening scenes, it's meaningless and without impact.

Yup, all it takes is a little money. It'd be hilarious (campy) if in the financial vacuum of the post Reaper war, Shep finds a way to Lazarus up all the squaddies that end up getting killed in the war.

[Tommy6860]

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

No sh!tstorm for me. What was wrong with it? One made choices (there was no one choice) during the game that could reflect what happened at the water purifier, as was defined during the ending commentary.

[Tommy6860]

CommanderWilliams wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Too many people are expecting to be married at the end. More are expecting nothing but a happy ending where everyone lives.

It'll never happen.

lol, Shepard will never get married/have kids in-game, even in an ending scene.  That would not in any way fit with the overall tone of the story.

If I know Bioware, the most likely outcome for Shepard, is that he/she mysteriously disappears a few months after the end of ME3.

Dragon Age 3: Commander Shepard.

What!!

[Bcuz]

Aaleel wrote...

Too many people are expecting to be married at the end. More are expecting nothing but a happy ending where everyone lives.

It should and hopefully won't ever happen.

FTFY

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Tommy6860 wrote...

CommanderWilliams wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Too many people are expecting to be married at the end. More are expecting nothing but a happy ending where everyone lives.

It'll never happen.

lol, Shepard will never get married/have kids in-game, even in an ending scene.  That would not in any way fit with the overall tone of the story.

If I know Bioware, the most likely outcome for Shepard, is that he/she mysteriously disappears a few months after the end of ME3.

Dragon Age 3: Commander Shepard.

What!!

Yeeessss! Learn to love it Selene. Learn to love it!!  rofl

[Tommy6860]

Aaleel wrote...

They could do it like Dragon Age. One bail out option where no one dies, one where you can sacrifice another squad mate, one where Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice.

They could really be evil and make it you or your LI.

I like this possibility.

[Boiny Bunny]

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

Not really, no.  People were plenty upset because they couldn't continue playing after the ending regardless of their choices - not because it was possible for the main character to die.  Which is a gameplay mechanical problem, not a plot problem.  What Bethesda could have done to get rid of such complaints was allow the player to continue in the world provided that they survived.

Further, you are referring to complaints on forums - which represent an extremely small portion of the people who actually play the game.

Should a player make choices which results in Shepard being killed, they have to live with not being able to continue that Shepard post game.

[ThePwener]

Ferris95 wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

No sh!tstorm for me. What was wrong with it? One made choices (there was no one choice) during the game that could reflect what happened at the water purifier, as was defined during the ending commentary.

FO3's ending was a ****storm for whole 'nother reason. It came out of no where, was anti-climatic, closed off the wide open sandbox set up for you and didn't even have the curtosey of a traditional Fallout epilouge. Thank god for New Vegas fixing things up.

Indeed. F3's endgame choice was dumb given the huge world it was set in and no way of doing it all before the ending if you followed the main story. Plus, no way could I have imported to FNV otherwise.

[crimzontearz]

Tommy6860 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

No sh!tstorm for me. What was wrong with it? One made choices (there was no one choice) during the game that could reflect what happened at the water purifier, as was defined during the ending commentary.

The original  ending was simple......Either you die or she dies.....even tho you could have had, what 3 companions who were immune to radiations do the job for you with ZERO consequences

a lot of people were pissed (especially because regardless of the choice the game ended there with no post campaign play but that is not here nor there AND because in order to change the ending you had to buy a DLC). 


The pissed off threads abounded on Forums everywhere

[CommanderWilliams]

"Shepard had defeated the Reaper threat, Harbinger had fallen. He/she proceeded to marry {LI} and together they had two Shepard juniors, a bastard and a saint. Shepard vanished three days later, never to be seen again. Rumor has it, he returned to Earth for one last fight."

-Dragon Age 3, coming soon.

[crimzontearz]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

Not really, no.  People were plenty upset because they couldn't continue playing after the ending regardless of their choices - not because it was possible for the main character to die.  Which is a gameplay mechanical problem, not a plot problem.  What Bethesda could have done to get rid of such complaints was allow the player to continue in the world provided that they survived.

Further, you are referring to complaints on forums - which represent an extremely small portion of the people who actually play the game.

Should a player make choices which results in Shepard being killed, they have to live with not being able to continue that Shepard post game.

yeah and therein lies the conundrum. Some people want shepard to die REGARDLESS of the choices made OR by simply being a freaking jerk and sacrificing others to save his own *** (thus screwing over all paragon players)

and to that I say "no thanks"