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[mopotter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

That's because it was so forced (or to put it better, artificial).
They present you with an obvious way out that you cannot use.
And FO3 still gave you the option to NOT die.

So really, the complaint is pointless.

Dying can be a great end for a story..IF IT MAKES SENSE.

And I don't care if "it makes sense".  If it's the only option in a game built on choices I'll be extremely pissed off.  I liked the ME1 and even ME2 endings.  Shepard walks off towards the team that survives and if there is a LI you see them walking towars each other or they are all roasting marshmallows on a fire made of  the reaper debris.and shots of characters who have died in your past games.

[mopotter]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Clearly some aren't familiar with Bioware.

Some endings will have him die. Some will have him live. And everything in between. It's always like that in BW games.

Which is why I keep buying their games.  

[Vilma]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Clearly some aren't familiar with Bioware.

Some endings will have him die. Some will have him live. And everything in between. It's always like that in BW games.

This. I'm going to be very, very surprised if we get something else.

[mopotter]

TheOptimist wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

I hope sheperd dies in one of the ending, in another the reapers win. The happy ending should still have friendly casualties that can't be stopped. (A squadmate going kamikazi, or taking a shot for Sheperd)

What with the happy ending with a marriage? Do you people think mass effect is aimed at 3 year olds? Where the clouds are made of cotton candy and everyone sings micheal jackson songs while holding hands?

Seriously get real, the day bioware does such an ending is the day the earth stands still.

Funny, I remember a game called Jade Empire ending with marriage, empire ruling and happy endings for everyone. I wonder what company produced that game?

Good game.  

They could do something where towards the end you have the option to discuss it or your future in general, or not, and then do the flash cards or someone's voice  at the end, like DA:O; JE and even DA:2.    Sheaprd and LI celebrated their marrage vows with their friends and had 2 kids; Shepard continued the work of a spectre/alliance/ took over cerberus; Shepard and LI  roamed the galaxy helping where they were needed or destroying whatever they wanted until they were killed by snipers while making love on the beach of Virmire..  
But I wouldn't want them to just automatically say Shepard and LI got married. 

[mopotter]

JukeFrog wrote...

I don't know why, but I'm convinced that Shepard will die in every ending.

EDIT: 
Actually I do know why. When asked whether we'll see Shepard in future titles, Casey said he has a precise answer to that question, but can't say it (i.e. Shepard dies). Mike Gamble avoided the "post-game" question like a plague, simply stating that "there will be closure" at the end of ME3 (i.e. Shepard dies). BW stated that they're not sure how they are going to handle DLC for ME3, which implies that they can't do it the same way as ME2 (i.e. No endgame DLC -> Shepard dies).

Sorry, disagree completely.  There is no reason for Shepard to die in every game.  First off if Sheaprd dies no matter what you do, there is no reason to replay it.   They don't have to include anything about Shepard  in future games if they don't want to.  Or they could just do news releases once in awhile saying Shepard attended a galexy peace event or some other news stuff.  

Closure does not mean Shepard dies.  Closure means many things to many people.  For me, closure will mean that one of my Shepards and Kaiden have a chance at a future and the one of my Shepards will someday be the head of Spectre and that one of my Shepards went back to Earth, if it's still there, to help with rebuilding it.  I don't need to see it, I just need to know there is a possibility.  

 They want people like me to continue pre-ordering their $75 or $80 or $90 games and if Shepard dies in every ending that's not going to happen and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.  

IMO - There is no reason for DLC after the final battle.  Acturally there is no reason for DLC unless it's stuff like armor, guns and casual clothing or some kind of MMO DLC that people who only play single player don't have to access.  

 

[mopotter]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

It actually sounds possible (if not likely) that Shepard will die canonically in ME3. They promise that you'll cry and they don't want to talk about future Shepard adventures (when they were fine doing it before)... things to make you rub your chin...

I cried when Jack was lifted off by the bugs in the final mission, and she was not my LI.  Lots of things can make people cry.    I even teared up when Miranda went and talked to her sister.   It does not have to be sad tears, it can be happy tears.  And I've allready seen one video from ME3 that will make me cry involved a child.  

I don't care if Shepard dies as long as there is also a way for Shepard and most of the team to survive.   

[Vilma]

TheOptimist wrote...
Again, that's fine.  I have no issues with there being a path where this is the result, and if thats the way you want to play it, then I hope you can make your sacrifices, wave goodbye to whatever squadmates you wish to see dead and have your imperfect world.  But I have no desire to be forced to lose people who've made it this far with Shepard, why do you insist your vision should be inflicted on ME?

Read the posts, darling.  I said I'd like to have a happy ending for my Shep. Also, there are numerous ways to make a sacrifice. It can be yourself, a squadmate, a colony, a planet. I'm just afraid that it doesn't sound very BioWare to give us everything with no price to pay.

Never be it said that I imposed something on someone/something.

crimzontearz wrote...

Because it's the latest cool trend,
you know like when people assume that since you play on a certain
platform yu are either an idiot, a kid or a casual. Tragic or
bittersweet endings are now a cool trend. And the people asking for them
seem convinced that their idea of a satisfying ending is more
mature/credilne/realistic/fulnfilling/intelligent and especially more
deserving than everyone else's (read "who would rather have a perfect
ending or at least a happy one")

Do you make a habit of accusing everyone who disagrees with you of 'following a trend', or assuming that they consider themselves superior? Because that's a really annoying habit. Please stop.

Modifié par Vilma, 24 août 2011 - 11:44 .

[mopotter]

TheZyzyva wrote...

Weird, I thought I went all paragon in DA:O, but everyone lived. Oh, wait, it was the werewolves wasn't it? I shouldn't have picked the werewolves. Those Dahlish were just such d***s though...

Anyways, as long as the Shep death endings (because we can pretty much agree there's going to be some, right?) don't have him going out like a chump, I'll be fine with it.

I agree.  I don't think anything Shepard does should be chump like.  

I don't play renegade, but to me it's a reasonable choice and I don't think renegade or paragon should  be the only decision for  Shepard's death or survival.  I'm hoping it's a combination of past choices for all of the endings.  

I know I've got games with many different choices and I want to see at least some of those choices result in different playthroughs. 

[mopotter]

Tommy6860 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Tommy6860 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I think it's safe to say that nobody here has a right to use the phrase 'vast majority of players' in the context of supporting their own views. This is garbage pulled out of thin air, and you know it. Don't do it.

There is plenty of evidence that a happy ending or a sad ending can be immensely popular in fiction. It really just comes down to how it is implemented, and whether it just feels 'tacked on' or not.

right

remember FO3? remember the huge ****storm the original end choice caused?

No sh!tstorm for me. What was wrong with it? One made choices (there was no one choice) during the game that could reflect what happened at the water purifier, as was defined during the ending commentary.

The original  ending was simple......Either you die or she dies.....even tho you could have had, what 3 companions who were immune to radiations do the job for you with ZERO consequences

a lot of people were pissed (especially because regardless of the choice the game ended there with no post campaign play but that is not here nor there AND because in order to change the ending you had to buy a DLC). 


The pissed off threads abounded on Forums everywhere

But that isn't the point, the ending, whether someone died or not, was not just as simple as dying, you still make a choice who lives or dies along with moral choices made in the game., without having the BS add-on..

yes...be a jerk and live or be a hero and die



no thanks

It's not my fault that you just over-simplified how the ending goes, by ignoring everything else you did in the game.. How is having your companion die being a jerk? It is simply a choice. If making choices that are pro-Enclave only, that reflect in the end with having your friend die, that's (maybe) being a jerk. But even then, being a jerk is subbjective, especailly if one wanted to play the game with that ending, whose  moral values are not all the same.

For me - the ending was stupid becuase I had someone with me who could have gone in that room without any problem and he refused.  That made it an ending that if I hadn't heard about the DLC, I would have pitched it and never played it again.  I buy games for re-play value, I don't buy game of the week.  I have a limited amount of money to spend on games and I'm not spending them on games that make me feel I've wasted my time.  

[mopotter]

TheOptimist wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

The devs have already promised some crying for this game. I prefer the option depending on how I play whether or not Shep lives or dies.

Guess I'm the only one hoping for tears of joy.

No you are not alone.    

[crimzontearz]

Vilma wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...
Again, that's fine.  I have no issues with there being a path where this is the result, and if thats the way you want to play it, then I hope you can make your sacrifices, wave goodbye to whatever squadmates you wish to see dead and have your imperfect world.  But I have no desire to be forced to lose people who've made it this far with Shepard, why do you insist your vision should be inflicted on ME?

Read the posts, darling.  I said I'd like to have a happy ending for my Shep. Also, there are numerous ways to make a sacrifice. It can be yourself, a squadmate, a colony, a planet. I'm just afraid that it doesn't sound very BioWare to give us everything with no price to pay.

Never be it said that I imposed something on someone/something.

crimzontearz wrote...

Because it's the latest cool trend,
you know like when people assume that since you play on a certain
platform yu are either an idiot, a kid or a casual. Tragic or
bittersweet endings are now a cool trend. And the people asking for them
seem convinced that their idea of a satisfying ending is more
mature/credilne/realistic/fulnfilling/intelligent and especially more
deserving than everyone else's (read "who would rather have a perfect
ending or at least a happy one")

Do you make a habit of accusing everyone who disagrees with you of 'following a trend', or assuming that they consider themselves superior? Because that's a really annoying habit. Please stop.

no I don't..only when they actually are

and uhmmm......make me?

[Vilma]

crimzontearz wrote...

no I don't..only when they actually are

Telepathic, eh? That's cool, can you teach me?

[crimzontearz]

Vilma wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no I don't..only when they actually are

Telepathic, eh? That's cool, can you teach me?

nope

[Lotion Soronarr]

mopotter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

That's because it was so forced (or to put it better, artificial).
They present you with an obvious way out that you cannot use.
And FO3 still gave you the option to NOT die.

So really, the complaint is pointless.

Dying can be a great end for a story..IF IT MAKES SENSE.

And I don't care if "it makes sense".  If it's the only option in a game built on choices I'll be extremely pissed off.  I liked the ME1 and even ME2 endings.  Shepard walks off towards the team that survives and if there is a LI you see them walking towars each other or they are all roasting marshmallows on a fire made of  the reaper debris.and shots of characters who have died in your past games.

Ahh..you see I care that it makes sense, and I'll be pissed if that doesn't happen.
You got choices..but you can't really choose everything...you can't really affect EVERYTHING.

[lloyd87]

Im expecting a revan type ending.

Shep goes off in search for more reapers to protect humanity in the future etc....

[mopotter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

mopotter wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

That's because it was so forced (or to put it better, artificial).
They present you with an obvious way out that you cannot use.
And FO3 still gave you the option to NOT die.

So really, the complaint is pointless.

Dying can be a great end for a story..IF IT MAKES SENSE.

And I don't care if "it makes sense".  If it's the only option in a game built on choices I'll be extremely pissed off.  I liked the ME1 and even ME2 endings.  Shepard walks off towards the team that survives and if there is a LI you see them walking towars each other or they are all roasting marshmallows on a fire made of  the reaper debris.and shots of characters who have died in your past games.

Ahh..you see I care that it makes sense, and I'll be pissed if that doesn't happen.
You got choices..but you can't really choose everything...you can't really affect EVERYTHING.

Well then they may come out even if this is the only ending they have.  They will lose me as a costumer, or at least as a pre-order customer, and maybe keep you.    If they have more than one ending, they might keep us both.  

I don't mind this as one ending, just not for every saved game I've played since the release date in '07.  

If FA 3 hadn't had had that 3rd party at the ending, I'd still have tossed the game and not purchased FA NV until after I heard how it ended.  I don't have the inclination or funding to play a game I won't want to replay because you always die or your friend always dies at the end.  

I buy games I want to play more than once, like reading a good book.  I don't re-read books where the hero or heroine dies at the end, unless they are 99 at the end of the book and die with their family supporting them.  

[N7Infernox]

this thread..
THIS HURTS ME