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[Augustei]

In a recent Q&A it was said that Morrigan is critical to the
storyline and the OGB story will be resolved. On my canon playthrough I
didn't romance morrigan or do the dark ritual. For those of us who
didn't do this in origins are we going to be regretting our choices and
be left out in the cold wishing we had done the dark ritual. Is
Urthemiels soul going to be preserved regardless of whether or not we
did the ritual? Or are we going to be going through content not really relevent to us giving us not quite the same level of fulfillment as those who chose differently - Witchhunt going through mirror, reunion etc. Instead of a random chase to find an old friend for reasons i dont quite understand lol

What could be the future of these choices?

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 23 août 2011 - 07:19 .

[Zanallen]

No one knows. I doubt Bioware really knows yet. If you want speculation well...There are several ways they could handle it, though none are really all that satisfying.

[lobi]

Welcome to Retcon city.
Population: us you.
I did another playthrough

Seriously though, I would not worry too much. Most things retconned because a writer feels it is essential have so far, resulted in a five line Cameo and a bit of codex filler. More of a slight annoyance than game breaking.
Should OGB appear there may be a slight reference to Morrigan and OGB origin in dialogue and a paragraph long codex entry for those with the import flags which will be missing for those who did not do deal. For others without the flags the origins of OGB may well be resolved with, Protagonist: "Where did you come from?", OGB: "Thedas". 
No biggie really. Your choice in Deal or No Deal will not actually impact on the story. Business as usual, really.

Modifié par lobi, 23 août 2011 - 07:42 .

[Augustei]

lobi wrote...

Welcome to Retcon city.
Population: us you.
I did another playthrough

Seriously though, I would not worry too much. Most things retconned because a writer feels it is essential have so far, resulted in a five line Cameo and a bit of codex filler. More of a slight annoyance than game breaking.
Should OGB appear there may be a slight reference to Morrigan and OGB origin in dialogue and a paragraph long codex entry for those with the import flags which will be missing for those who did not do deal. For others without the flags the origins of OGB may well be resolved with, Protagonist: "Where did you come from?", OGB: "Thedas". 
No biggie really. Your choice in Deal or No Deal will not actually impact on the story. Business as usual, really.

Hope your right, hope it isn't to central a point to the future plot or anything or to major an involvement. It sort of already got its own dlc (Witch Hunt) Because unless you romanced morrigan and did the ritual it doesn't really make much sense to be tracking her down just to ask her where shes going

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 23 août 2011 - 08:39 .

[lobi]

Warden always did think she was up to something. Did you killed Flemith? Because if you are ok with that you could be ok with OGB.

Modifié par lobi, 23 août 2011 - 11:28 .

[Lestatman]

That's one thing I haven't thought about.  If your Warden thinks he/she has killed Flemeth and Hawke helps Flameth escape it might make an interesting conversion between Warden and Hawke.

Modifié par Lestatman, 23 août 2011 - 11:34 .

[Yuqi]

It would have been great if a non-LI warden could have gone through the mirror.That is my biggest gripe with witch hunt.

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

This thread again?

[RagingCyclone]

Lestatman wrote...

That's one thing I haven't thought about.  If your Warden thinks he/she has killed Flemeth and Hawke helps Flameth escape it might make an interesting conversion between Warden and Hawke.

This shouldn't be that big a shock regarding the Warden. Morrigan says repeatedly afterwards that Flemeth will return in one form or another and that she will kill Flemeth again and again if need be. Flemeth's appearance is actually not a retcon but a fullfillment of what Morrigan states in Origins.

[Sajuro]

so, you have a moral objection to living?

[Augustei]

Awesomness wrote...

This thread again?

This comment again?

[Augustei]

Lestatman wrote...

That's one thing I haven't thought about.  If your Warden thinks he/she has killed Flemeth and Hawke helps Flameth escape it might make an interesting conversion between Warden and Hawke.

Well if the warden did witch hunt morrigan informs the warden that flemeth is not dead

Yuqi wrote...
It would have been great if a non-LI warden could have gone through the mirror.That is my biggest gripe with witch hunt

I think you can if she wasn't a LI but did the ritual by saying "I want to see my son" if your a male warden.. idk how it'd work out for a female warden "I want to see alistairs son" "why?" lol

[Rifneno]

So... you're worried that your choices will have meaning?

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

What could be the future of these choices?

Hard to say. All we know so far is that her son (with the soul of an "Old God") has a "destiny." With the status quo now broken, I wonder how Morrigan will react. She is, after all, an apostate. Morrigan might finally be glad that the mages stood up for themselves and fought against the Chantry and its templars to gain autonomy for themselves. If her son has magical abilities, it might come into play. I have no doubt she'd see the Chantry and the Order of Templars as the enemy. I'd assume she'd see Leliana as an enemy because the latter was working for the Divine.

As far as my run is concerned, my Surana Warden romanced Morrigan and trusted her so the OGB exists in my run, asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence, and left with Morrigan through the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes. Whatever her plan is, my Warden is standing at her side, which will hopefully be reflected if Morrigan returns (and the OGB is addressed).

There's the possibility Morrigan and The Warden may come across the Champion of Kirkwall and his moiety crew. Merrill might find it fascinating that Morrigan went through the Eluvian successfully, although I think Morrigan would take issue with Merrill and Hawke letting Flemeth go at Sundermount, so I don't see the four of them working together anytime soon.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 23 août 2011 - 03:29 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

lobi wrote...

Warden always did think she was up to something. Did you killed Flemith? Because if you are ok with that you could be ok with OGB.

neither have anything to do with each other. I killed Flemmeth but still refused the DR. And in that playthrough, Morrigan was non-LI, but a very close friend. There are numerous legit reasons to reject the DR that have nothing to do with believing it inherently "evil".

OP: This is one of my biggest fears. That the OGB descision will not play out evenly and differently for those who chose either way. My canon did not do the DR. And most likely,  close to half of players decided not to do it, judging by alot of posts. So I sometimes worry that for those who didn't, will end up with a much lesser amount of relevance and gameplay. And this would suck, given that Morrigan's critical involvement/plan does not seem to require the OGB.

[lobi]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

lobi wrote...

Warden always did think she was up to something. Did you killed Flemith? Because if you are ok with that you could be ok with OGB.

neither have anything to do with each other. I killed Flemmeth but still refused the DR. And in that playthrough, Morrigan was non-LI, but a very close friend. There are numerous legit reasons to reject the DR that have nothing to do with believing it inherently "evil".

OP: This is one of my biggest fears. That the OGB descision will not play out evenly and differently for those who chose either way. My canon did not do the DR. And most likely,  close to half of players decided not to do it, judging by alot of posts. So I sometimes worry that for those who didn't, will end up with a much lesser amount of relevance and gameplay. And this would suck, given that Morrigan's critical involvement/plan does not seem to require the OGB.

I was refering to how Flemiths resurrection was handled in DA2 not the moral ins and outs of player decisions. Do not forget Morrigans final words when leaving if player chooses not to do ritual. "You will do as you must as will I"
In one version of the Arthurian cycle Morgan le Faye came to Arthur in a dream of his wife to begat Mordred. What is to stop Morrigan Bewitching Alistair or Loghain in a similar fashion?
The father of OGB need not be named further than being 'a warden'. In DA2 the death of the archdemon was not refered to as the death of a dragon but the end of the blight. Discussions with Alistair do not reveal who slew the archdemon but make reference to the warden 'ending the blight'. Much ado about nothing.
Those that are worried need not be.

Modifié par lobi, 23 août 2011 - 09:54 .

[Yuqi]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Lestatman wrote...

That's one thing I haven't thought about.  If your Warden thinks he/she has killed Flemeth and Hawke helps Flameth escape it might make an interesting conversion between Warden and Hawke.

Well if the warden did witch hunt morrigan informs the warden that flemeth is not dead

Yuqi wrote...
It would have been great if a non-LI warden could have gone through the mirror.That is my biggest gripe with witch hunt

I think you can if she wasn't a LI but did the ritual by saying "I want to see my son" if your a male warden.. idk how it'd work out for a female warden "I want to see alistairs son" "why?" lol

To my knowledge a Female warden cannot,which frankly sucks.