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[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
Because he's a grey warden and he should not even be considering taking a politcal stance on anything? So it only makes sense that Hawke would take the helm.

Except he / she can and do.
And considering Hawke's record, the only thing he / she should take the helm of is a boat that leads to exactly where Maric disapeared.

Maric disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. Let's send Hawke there.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maric disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. Let's send Hawke there.

I prefer the niagara falls. More symbolic that way. And would remove the possibility of cults popping up claiming that Hawke would return one day from his mystical voyage of mass genocide in another realm.

[Follow Me on Twitter]

If the grey wardens took any stance on this it would make it much much worse. Last time they took a political stance on anything they were killed off in fereldan and banished from there for a long time.

Hawke could become the leader they need, the warden could give some aid but he could never be the actual leader.

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maric disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. Let's send Hawke there.

I prefer the niagara falls. More symbolic that way. And would remove the possibility of cults popping up claiming that Hawke would return one day from his mystical voyage of mass genocide in another realm.

With or without barrell?

-Polaris

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Maric disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle. Let's send Hawke there.

Knowing Hawke, it'd turn out the Bermuda Triangle makes stuff disappear because there's some ancient evil trapped there and Hawke will end up releasing it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

If the grey wardens took any stance on this it would make it much much worse. Last time they took a political stance on anything they were killed off in fereldan and banished from there for a long time.

Hawke could become the leader they need, the warden could give some aid but he could never be the actual leader.

The First Warden wants the order to become political. Who knows, he might want to join in. Or might want to present the Wardens as an alternative. Avernus found ways to combat demons more efficiently afterall.

And Hawke a leader based on what? His resumé in Kirkwall?

[TEWR]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

If the grey wardens took any stance on this it would make it much much worse. Last time they took a political stance on anything they were killed off in fereldan and banished from there for a long time.

Hawke could become the leader they need, the warden could give some aid but he could never be the actual leader.

The Hero of Ferelden already got involved with politics. He got involved with Orzammar's politics and Ferelden's, and depending on choices became the Arl of Amaranthine.

Carver/Bethany become involved in the Second Battle of Kirkwall if you made them Wardens. The Wardens are heavily involved in politics in the Anderfels because the king there is weak.

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Because people rally to a champion in the darkest hour maybe. Even if he/she is just used as a puppet it's still "Hey look we have the champion backing us up join us"

They are political in anderfels of all places the very land they are based out of they dont fear the politcal backlash there. 

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 27 août 2011 - 05:26 .

[IanPolaris]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

I'll lay 3:1 odds that that "someone" is the Chantry.

-Polaris

[KnightofPhoenix]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Because people rally to a champion in the darkest hour maybe. Even if he/she is just used as a puppet it's still "Hey look we have the champion backing us up join us"

A figurehead, sure. That's not what a leader is entirely. Hawke is more likely to be used as a tool by such a leader.

[TEWR]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

I'll lay 3:1 odds that that "someone" is the Chantry.

-Polaris

That's what I've been thinking as well.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Only that's not her reasoning at all.

Because being loved by one side and hated by the other prevents war how exactly?

Ask Julius Caesar.

Wait........

I mean, according to such shrewd and cold logic, that man must have been a greater idiot than Hawke for failing to see his own murder coming despite clear signs/warnings (One in writing that was found on his body...unread) and then there is his choice to refuse bodyguards....

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

I'll lay 3:1 odds that that "someone" is the Chantry.

-Polaris

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

I'll lay 3:1 odds that that "someone" is the Chantry.

-Polaris

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

20:1 that it's actually a dire bunny

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
Ask Julius Caesar.

Wait........

I mean, according to such shrewd and cold logic, that man must have been a greater idiot than Hawke for failing to see his own murder coming despite clear signs/warnings (One in writing that was found on his body...unread) and then there is his choice to refuse bodyguards....

Julius Caesar was loved by the real power in the Rome. The army and the people. By that time, the Senators were not as important. And Caesar did not bring peace, quite the opposite. Augustus did.

And yes Caesar was a fool when it came to his death. Too naive and reckless. His track record however, is certainly much more impressive than the void nothing of Hawke, that even in his act of foolishness, he would not be in the same level.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 août 2011 - 05:29 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

And what would make the warden a better leader? The only reason he was able to get allies against the blight was because of necessity to fight the blight. It's easy to get support when there is a horde of monsters killing everything in sight but try to get them to support you when it's a religious group or mages fighting for their freedom.

Hawke has already taken a politcal stance depending on the actions you took in the last act you showed the templars/mages you were willing to fight and die for their cause. The warden has no place in politics.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 27 août 2011 - 05:32 .

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

I'm almost tempted to take you up on it...but I won't.  I think it's the chantry by a process of elimination.  We're sure who it can't be, and who's left with motive?  The Chantry.

As for the big bad evil that forces everyone to reconcile, we already know what that will be.  DA2 told us.

The Qun

Do you really think the Qunari will sit back and let the bas war amongst themselves without stepping in to promote the true way of the Qun?

Don't think so.

-Polaris

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

I'll lay 3:1 odds that that "someone" is the Chantry.

-Polaris

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

That's how history works, for the most part.

I'll reserve judgment though until an expansion/DAIII comes out. And as for the Warden, mine wouldn't want to be involved in yet another political dilemma she couldn't care less about. She was pretty angry at Eamon for forcing her hand during the Blight. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

And what would make the warden a better leader? The only reason he was able to get allies against the blight was because of necessity to fight the blight. It's easy to get support when there is a horde of monsters killing everything in sight but try to get them to support you when it's a religious group or mages fighting for their freedom.

Like I said, I wouldn't trust the Warden either to pull it off (except mine), hence the idiocy of Cassandra's quest.

But even then, everything can be presented as necessity. The Warden could easily use the Qunari as the horde of monsters to rally people to stop the war before they take advantage of it (which they certainly would).

[TEWR]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

And what would make the warden a better leader? The only reason he was able to get allies against the blight was because of necessity to fight the blight. It's easy to get support when there is a horde of monsters killing everything in sight but try to get them to support you when it's a religious group or mages fighting for their freedom.

The Hero of Ferelden commanded respect from the Arling of Amaranthine and Ferelden itself. Aside from a few nobles who were in Howe's pockets, Amaranthine rallied behind him. His influence would be of great use to Ferelden's courts

Unless you played either a ******-poor Warden Commander who left Amaranthine to burn or a kingpin of a smuggling organization. Or both.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 27 août 2011 - 05:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

That's how history works, for the most part.

Except they were not big bad evils, but presented as such by skilled propaganda.

Let's hope Bioware takes that route, though I question their ability to create reasonable antagonists at the moment. 

[Follow Me on Twitter]

I can picture it now approaching the king of orzammar "We need your aid in defeating the chantry and their evil horde of templars"

and the king laughing as you were thrown out.

There is no evil here to fight its just politcal everyone is going to try and avoid going to even touch this war you are telling me these nobles are this stupid to just blindly follow what the warden says? None of them are going to touch this conflict and risk their peoples lives over something that do not completely believe in and i'm sorry but i just do not think it would matter to any of the nobles.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 27 août 2011 - 05:39 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...

I'm almost tempted to take you up on it...but I won't.  I think it's the chantry by a process of elimination.  We're sure who it can't be, and who's left with motive?  The Chantry.

As for the big bad evil that forces everyone to reconcile, we already know what that will be.  DA2 told us.

The Qun

Do you really think the Qunari will sit back and let the bas war amongst themselves without stepping in to promote the true way of the Qun?

Don't think so.

-Polaris

Honestly, I think they are going to use a big bad evil to make us reconcile even with the Qun. Aka, another blight or Flemeth.

Because writing reasonable "human" antagonists is hard. Not sarcasm, it is actually harder.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 août 2011 - 05:36 .

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

4:1 that it's a big bad evil that will attack Thedas and force everyone to reconcile and be pals again. You know, the scenario that we saw a couple dozen trillion times.

That's how history works, for the most part.

Except they were not big bad evils, but presented as such by skilled propaganda.

Let's hope Bioware takes that route, though I question their ability to create reasonable antagonists at the moment. 

DA3:  Invasion of the Vorpal Lyrium Bunnies!

[dragonflight288]

I say 2:1 odds that it's the chantry attacking he Wardens. 4:1 odds that the chantry is sending Leliana and Cassandra to seek out the Age's greatest heroes in an attempt to restores some of its lost power. Three years after the war started, I don't think the mages will accept the Circles as they have been, and the templars are too dang addicted to lyrium and religious indoctrination to let the matter be.

6:1 odds that the Chantry actually wants peace

2:1 odds that the Qunari will attack in DA3

10:1 odds that That Hawke makes a reappearance in future games.

And 100:1 odds that that we get a game where no one complains about whatever companions or protagonist we get.