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[Melca36]

Persephone wrote...

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I found -Cory- to be far more interesting than the Architect who has proven his incompetence not once but twice. (TC, DAA) Is the Architect an interesting character? Sure. But I am more interested in the Ancient Tevinter Magisters and the whole Golden City legend unraveling than in the Architect's misguided notions.

I don't think the Architect was a Magister. He would have had a name if he had been one.

I believe he was probably a very powerful follower of the Magisters.

[Augustei]

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 27 août 2011 - 07:17 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
I found -Cory- to be far more interesting than the Architect who has proven his incompetence not once but twice. (TC, DAA) Is the Architect an interesting character? Sure. But I am more interested in the Ancient Tevinter Magisters and the whole Golden City legend unraveling than in the Architect's misguided notions.

I am more interested in actual characters with some characterization, than big bad evil, which don't bother to even talk, that also turned out to be misguided and used by an even greater big bad evil.

I prefer more human opponents.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 août 2011 - 07:13 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I found -Cory- to be far more interesting than the Architect who has proven his incompetence not once but twice. (TC, DAA) Is the Architect an interesting character? Sure. But I am more interested in the Ancient Tevinter Magisters and the whole Golden City legend unraveling than in the Architect's misguided notions.

I am more interested in actual characters with some characterization, than big bad evil that also turned out to be misguided and used by an even greater big bad evil.

I prefer more human opponents.

He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

[Persephone]

Rifneno wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I'll reserve judgment though until an expansion/DAIII comes out. And as for the Warden, mine wouldn't want to be involved in yet another political dilemma she couldn't care less about. She was pretty angry at Eamon for forcing her hand during the Blight.

Right. Eamon. Not the guy trying to kill you. That makes sense.

Yep. Eamon. I don't know about anyone else's Warden but mine will not be manipulated into supporting Eamon's political agenda. (Which she considers to be disastrous)

[KnightofPhoenix]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

[Augustei]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
The Templar Order is a knightly order attached to the Chantry, they aren't the actual Chantry (ie. Just a brother who takes up arms), they are bound to have their own funding, possibly (or rather probably) with Chantry support, but they would most likely have their own treasury. How they fill their treasury I cannot say, but it is probably similar to the Templars and Knights Teutonic of our world.

The Teutonics owned lands (and forged a kingdom). Templars are not as independent an order and there is no indication that they own lands. They are the military arm of the Chantry, created by the Chantry. They were not independent, not before now.

The Templars were originally not part of the chantry, they were known as the Inquisition and went around hunting down mages and threats to the population. They joined forces with the chantry later

Edit: Yeah just noticed IanPolaris already mentioned this, trying to catch up to the current part of the thread. Am several pages behind lol

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 27 août 2011 - 07:18 .

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Persephone wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I'll reserve judgment though until an expansion/DAIII comes out. And as for the Warden, mine wouldn't want to be involved in yet another political dilemma she couldn't care less about. She was pretty angry at Eamon for forcing her hand during the Blight.

Right. Eamon. Not the guy trying to kill you. That makes sense.

Yep. Eamon. I don't know about anyone else's Warden but mine will not be manipulated into supporting Eamon's political agenda. (Which she considers to be disastrous)

That also annoyed me to death, i hated the fact that he was trying to get use my warden to get closer to the throne.

I also hated having to do anything deciding who sat on the throne or helping choose a king for ozrammar. "Look there is a archedemon and a horde of darkspawn on their way...can we do this later just get your soldiers and move it!"

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
I found -Cory- to be far more interesting than the Architect who has proven his incompetence not once but twice. (TC, DAA) Is the Architect an interesting character? Sure. But I am more interested in the Ancient Tevinter Magisters and the whole Golden City legend unraveling than in the Architect's misguided notions.

I am more interested in actual characters with some characterization, than big bad evil, which don't bother to even talk, that also turned out to be misguided and used by an even greater big bad evil.

I prefer more human opponents.

Only we do not know enough about Cory yet. I found his dialogue to be interesting, thought provoking and engaging in many ways. That is why I was bloody GLAD that we didn't get the *Hawke kills. The End.* treatment. Instead, it is hinted at that *Spoiler*. Given the two different people who may serve as *Spoiler*, that could lead to different consequences and given Varric's rather clear comment re: consequences to this tale, I am almost certain that we will see more of Cory, one way or the other. I appreciate Legacy's way of lending both credence AND doubt to the Chantry's legend re: the first Blight.

I also do not view Cory as a traditional "big evil" at all. (That may change though) 

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
Only we do not know enough about Cory yet. I found his dialogue to be interesting, thought provoking and engaging in many ways. That is why I was bloody GLAD that we didn't get the *Hawke kills. The End.* treatment. Instead, it is hinted at that *Spoiler*. Given the two different people who may serve as *Spoiler*, that could lead to different consequences and given Varric's rather clear comment re: consequences to this tale, I am almost certain that we will see more of Cory, one way or the other. I appreciate Legacy's way of lending both credence AND doubt to the Chantry's legend re: the first Blight.

I also do not view Cory as a traditional "big evil" at all. (That may change though) 

When (if) we learn about him, then I will see. As of yet, I did not care. At all. His monologue added little that was new except except the magisters being dupped. And again supernatural forces dictating human fate, which I hate and find boring.

And what questioning? How many questions could you ask him?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 août 2011 - 07:26 .

[Persephone]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I'll reserve judgment though until an expansion/DAIII comes out. And as for the Warden, mine wouldn't want to be involved in yet another political dilemma she couldn't care less about. She was pretty angry at Eamon for forcing her hand during the Blight.

Right. Eamon. Not the guy trying to kill you. That makes sense.

Yep. Eamon. I don't know about anyone else's Warden but mine will not be manipulated into supporting Eamon's political agenda. (Which she considers to be disastrous)

That also annoyed me to death, i hated the fact that he was trying to get use my warden to get closer to the throne.

I also hated having to do anything deciding who sat on the throne or helping choose a king for ozrammar. "Look there is a archedemon and a horde of darkspawn on their way...can we do this later just get your soldiers and move it!"

No. Just as it has often been said about DAII, in DAO nobody is competent enough to solve their problems without you as an errand boy. (Works for almost every Bioware game)

Warden: But the Blight.....
Person: Be a good little Warden and solve MY problems first. *Pat*

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Only we do not know enough about Cory yet. I found his dialogue to be interesting, thought provoking and engaging in many ways. That is why I was bloody GLAD that we didn't get the *Hawke kills. The End.* treatment. Instead, it is hinted at that *Spoiler*. Given the two different people who may serve as *Spoiler*, that could lead to different consequences and given Varric's rather clear comment re: consequences to this tale, I am almost certain that we will see more of Cory, one way or the other. I appreciate Legacy's way of lending both credence AND doubt to the Chantry's legend re: the first Blight.

I also do not view Cory as a traditional "big evil" at all. (That may change though) 

When (if) we learn about him, then I will see. As of yet, I did not care. At all. His monologue added little that was new except except the magisters being dupped. And again supernatural forces dictating human fate, which i hate.

And what questioning? How many questions could you ask him?

Using the Investigate Option. Can't say how many exactly, but I distinctly remember asking him several things. 

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

I felt bad for him the first time playing through he seemed so disoriented and lost. I also  kinda wanted to have more dialogue with him but its one of those "Uh, this guy destroyed heaven and was one of the first darkspawns i really should not talk to him"

[Persephone]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

I felt bad for him the first time playing through he seemed so disoriented and lost. I also  kinda wanted to have more dialogue with him but its one of those "Uh, this guy destroyed heaven and was one of the first darkspawns i really should not talk to him"

I felt bad for him too. And the reason you cite there is actually why I want to talk to him MORE, not less.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Using the Investigate Option. Can't say how many exactly, but I distinctly remember asking him several things. 

Why is it that none of the vids I saw had that.
What does he say? Not that I expect much from him, considering his delusional state.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 27 août 2011 - 07:36 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Using the Investigate Option. Can't say how many exactly, but I distinctly remember asking him several things. 

Why is it that none of the vids I saw had that.
What does he say? Not that I expect much from him, considering his delusional state.

Hmmmmmmmm.......once I get my PC down here (I'm in the middle of moving), I'll reload a save and let you know. It's been a while and I don't want to misquote him. If I am remembering this incorrectly, anyone, feel free to correct me.

[Sylvianus]

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Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2011 - 07:42 .

[Sylvianus]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

If the grey wardens took any stance on this it would make it much much worse. Last time they took a political stance on anything they were killed off in fereldan and banished from there for a long time.

Hawke could become the leader they need, the warden could give some aid but he could never be the actual leader.

The Hero of Ferelden already got involved with politics. He got involved with Orzammar's politics and Ferelden's, and depending on choices became the Arl of Amaranthine.

Carver/Bethany become involved in the Second Battle of Kirkwall if you made them Wardens. The Wardens are heavily involved in politics in the Anderfels because the king there is weak.

The Wardens are no longer being neutral in terms of politics. IIRC, the Chantry wasn't happy about the HoF's actions during the Blight. And as we know in Dark Epiphany, someone is moving against the Wardens.

FALSE !

The wardens were attacked by the Qunari. Once you saved them, they LEAVE kirkwall immediately and they say they can't be involved in this war.

At the end Bethany / Carver decide simply to help his/her Bother/sister because he/she couldn't let him/her, knowing he/she was in danger ! NOT the wardens ! The wardens weren't involved.

For Orzammar : Do not forget the oath of Wardens. They fight the darkspawn whatever the cost, and they needed the dwarves against the blight, so yes, they were involved, but they never lost the sight of their mission. They were committed to the interests of their ultimate goal, a means to achieve his ends. They needed the dwarves united, so they tried to give help.

They have no reason to be engaged in a war on the side of the Mages or the Templars, for fun, or because it's cool or because they were touched by their causes.

For Amarathantine : Let's not forget that the Wardens don't have anymore a headquarters at Ferelden. That's what constitued first the forteress  and why they wanted to be here, to join the ferelden's warden. Ferelden continued to suffer the strange attacks of darkswpawn organized , despite the death of archdemon. Also,They needed a direct view of the situation.

So no, it's not common that they involved in politics, not banal, do not expect a solution as simple and easy.

But yes, A warden, Iarl of Amaranthine, and a King, it's the first time and weird. But this last warden was born without authority, has become what he is without the leadership of a government. They are the wardens who rallied to him. They deal with him and the new situation complicated at Fereden.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2011 - 07:54 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Hmmmmmmmm.......once I get my PC down here (I'm in the middle of moving), I'll reload a save and let you know. It's been a while and I don't want to misquote him. If I am remembering this incorrectly, anyone, feel free to correct me.

Good luck with the moving

Does he say something interesting, or is it the same old?

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Hmmmmmmmm.......once I get my PC down here (I'm in the middle of moving), I'll reload a save and let you know. It's been a while and I don't want to misquote him. If I am remembering this incorrectly, anyone, feel free to correct me.

Good luck with the moving

Does he say something interesting, or is it the same old?

Will do. As far as I recall, it's nothing earth shattering and the dialogue varies depending on who you bring down there. It's Bioware's usual game of teasing and hinting, without anything concrete.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Will do. As far as I recall, it's nothing earth shattering and the dialogue varies depending on who you bring down there. It's Bioware's usual game of teasing and hinting, without anything concrete.

Hopefully it's not hinting and teasing with nothing behind it. Like Varric's sidequest that led to a useless Ethereal golem. 

[Sylvianus]

Persephone wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I'll reserve judgment though until an expansion/DAIII comes out. And as for the Warden, mine wouldn't want to be involved in yet another political dilemma she couldn't care less about. She was pretty angry at Eamon for forcing her hand during the Blight.

Right. Eamon. Not the guy trying to kill you. That makes sense.

Yep. Eamon. I don't know about anyone else's Warden but mine will not be manipulated into supporting Eamon's political agenda. (Which she considers to be disastrous)

That also annoyed me to death, i hated the fact that he was trying to get use my warden to get closer to the throne.

I also hated having to do anything deciding who sat on the throne or helping choose a king for ozrammar. "Look there is a archedemon and a horde of darkspawn on their way...can we do this later just get your soldiers and move it!"

No. Just as it has often been said about DAII, in DAO nobody is competent enough to solve their problems without you as an errand boy. (Works for almost every Bioware game)

Warden: But the Blight.....
Person: Be a good little Warden and solve MY problems first. *Pat*

Yeah of course. Loghain tries to kill you, and on the other hand you don't want to follow Eamon, the unique lord who is listening,  and able to help you.

Warden : But the blight....

But the blight wthout an army and support, how do you fight it ?

Me that's the competence of your warden that I question. Eamon can not do anything he wants, it is clear that if you want to be helped, you need to help him for your army against the blight. Someone competent enough would understand.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2011 - 09:39 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Will do. As far as I recall, it's nothing earth shattering and the dialogue varies depending on who you bring down there. It's Bioware's usual game of teasing and hinting, without anything concrete.

Hopefully it's not hinting and teasing with nothing behind it. Like Varric's sidequest that led to a useless Ethereal golem. 

He rambles on about how Dumat had promised the Golden City would be... Golden... Yet it was Black and corrupt already when they arrived.

[Rifneno]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

Corypheus is dead? OMG, how did I miss a new DLC?!

I also hated having to do anything deciding who sat on the throne or helping choose a king for ozrammar. "Look there is a archedemon and a horde of darkspawn on their way...can we do this later just get your soldiers and move it!"

I thought that I'd seen every complaint possible. I was wrong. I had never seen someone complain that a game forces them to make choices. Wow.

Persephone wrote...

Yep. Eamon. I don't know about anyone else's Warden but mine will not be manipulated into supporting Eamon's political agenda. (Which she considers to be disastrous)

A good rule of thumb: the guy sending assassins to kill you is your enemy. Unless Zevran really screwed up an order to deliver a box of chocolates.

I appreciate Legacy's way of lending both credence AND doubt to the Chantry's legend re: the first Blight.

I also do not view Cory as a traditional "big evil" at all. (That may change though)

I actually agree there. I didn't realize how well they managed Corypheus' dialogue until I noticed that posters on both sides of the fence thought that it was supporting their belief. Anders becoming a mouthpiece for the devs unsatisfied with the ratio of mage supporters to templar supports sent me into a short nerdrage though. Totally out of character for him.

I'm also unconvinced that Corypheus will become Jon Irenicus 2.0. Once he's had time to digest what transpired, the betrayal by his god, the unleashing of the taint and its apocalyptic consequences, ect. he may work to put the taint back in the bottle. As one of the original five tainted magisters, he's almost certain to know some key information no one else does. And he's not a darkspawn anymore. The taint seems to be one of the body, not the soul, and his soul is no longer in the omnidarkspawn body. Ahh but I guess this is another topic...

No. Just as it has often been said about DAII, in DAO nobody is competent enough to solve their problems without you as an errand boy. (Works for almost every Bioware game)

Warden: But the Blight.....
Person: Be a good little Warden and solve MY problems first. *Pat*

I don't think a game where the protagonist faces no obstacles would be very popular. Or long.