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[Persephone]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yeah of course. Loghain tries to kill you, and on the other hand you don't want to follow Eamon, the unique lord who is listening,  and able to help you.

Warden : But the blight....

But the blight wthout an army and support, how do you fight it ?

Me that's the competence of your warden that I question. Eamon can not do anything he wants, it is clear that if you want to be helped, you need to help him for your army against the blight. Someone competent enough would understand.

You misunderstood:

No, I do not want Eamon to use me as a chesspiece and boy, did he have an awakening at the Landsmeet. Manipulation is a wonderful thing, if you know how to do it. So no, my Warden did not follow Eamon or his advice but played his game and achieved the result she thought was best for Ferelden.

Modifié par Persephone, 27 août 2011 - 12:14 .

[Rifneno]

My Warden was okay with Eamon "scheming" to get rid of Loghain after he (like every warden, including yours) saved him for the express purpose of asking him to overthrow Loghain. Why? I donno... I guess my Warden didn't have a serious lyrium/dwarven ale problem?

[Persephone]

Rifneno wrote...

My Warden was okay with Eamon "scheming" to get rid of Loghain after he (like every warden, including yours) saved him for the express purpose of asking him to overthrow Loghain. Why? I donno... I guess my Warden didn't have a serious lyrium/dwarven ale problem?

Spare me your "jokes" on alcohol and drug addictions, they are in poor taste.

Yes. To overthrow Loghain. Not to use Alistair as a puppet king. You know, that's why these scenarios are in the game, to allow these different interpretations.

[Rifneno]

Persephone wrote...

Spare me your "jokes" on alcohol and drug addictions, they are in poor taste.

Yes. To overthrow Loghain. Not to use Alistair as a puppet king. You know, that's why these scenarios are in the game, to allow these different interpretations.

Spare me your "conspiracy theories," they are in poor taste.

[naledgeborn]

Eamon is just as bad, no worse, than Loghain. He's in it for the power. Loghain is a patriot, a misguided one, but a patriot nonetheless. This is evidenced by giving the crown to Anora and having Alistair remain a Grey Warden. He's so ungrateful he doesn't even show up for the coronation. And the Warden could have potentially saved his life, his family's life, his land and charges, and his precious power. He goes as far as turning a blind eye to Connor's "gift" so that he wouldn't have to give up Redcliffe to Teagan. He's power mad. Eamon only wanted Alistair on the throne so he could be the one pulling the strings. Like he was doing with Cailan and the Celine scandal. He never gave a rat's ass about Alistair until Cailan died at Ostagar.

This is why (hardened) Alistair is always married to Anora and Loghain becomes a Grey Warden. I don't want Eamon's conniving ass anywhere near the throne.

[LadyVaJedi]

I think the mages will win. If King Al and (female Warden) are married or any choice that is made were the mages in Fredlen are freed to govern themselves.

[CrimsonZephyr]

naledgeborn wrote...

Eamon is just as bad, no worse, than Loghain. He's in it for the power. Loghain is a patriot, a misguided one, but a patriot nonetheless. This is evidenced by giving the crown to Anora and having Alistair remain a Grey Warden. He's so ungrateful he doesn't even show up for the coronation. And the Warden could have potentially saved his life, his family's life, his land and charges, and his precious power. He goes as far as turning a blind eye to Connor's "gift" so that he wouldn't have to give up Redcliffe to Teagan. He's power mad. Eamon only wanted Alistair on the throne so he could be the one pulling the strings. Like he was doing with Cailan and the Celine scandal. He never gave a rat's ass about Alistair until Cailan died at Ostagar.

This is why (hardened) Alistair is always married to Anora and Loghain becomes a Grey Warden. I don't want Eamon's conniving ass anywhere near the throne.

That's funny. Loghain is the one who hired a blood mage to poison his political rivals, gave political support to a loose cannon libertarian in the Circle of Magi, and started selling elves into slavery. Eamon, in comparison, only puts forward Alistair as a candidate for the crown, and never asks the Warden to do anything particularly ruthless. The Warden takes that initiative on his own. He doesn't show up for the coronation because the people being validated politically were complicit in trying to have him killed, and the Warden humiliated him at the Landsmeet. As for Connor, his powers developed recently and his wife hid them from him very well. As soon as he found out about them, Connor was shipped to the Circle. Then, with Cailan, he offered to bring troops, which Cailan refused, and he suggested divorcing Anora because they had not produced an heir. Landsmeets are infinitely more difficult when they are choosing a new royal house. He said nothing about going for Celene. That was Cailan's idea.

It's hilarious that you would villainize Eamon while turning a blind eye to the ridiculousness and complete stupidity of Loghain's.

[TEWR]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Using the Investigate Option. Can't say how many exactly, but I distinctly remember asking him several things. 

Why is it that none of the vids I saw had that.
What does he say? Not that I expect much from him, considering his delusional state.

Hmmmmmmmm.......once I get my PC down here (I'm in the middle of moving), I'll reload a save and let you know. It's been a while and I don't want to misquote him. If I am remembering this incorrectly, anyone, feel free to correct me.

The investigate options weren't aimed at Corypheus. More around the person you sided with and it resulted in Hawke hearing more Chantry propaganda.

[TEWR]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

I felt bad for him the first time playing through he seemed so disoriented and lost. I also  kinda wanted to have more dialogue with him but its one of those "Uh, this guy destroyed heaven and was one of the first darkspawns i really should not talk to him"

Corypheus and the other Magisters became the first Awakened Darkspawn, not the first Darkspawn in existence.

[Follow Me on Twitter]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

I felt bad for him the first time playing through he seemed so disoriented and lost. I also  kinda wanted to have more dialogue with him but its one of those "Uh, this guy destroyed heaven and was one of the first darkspawns i really should not talk to him"

Corypheus and the other Magisters became the first Awakened Darkspawn, not the first Darkspawn in existence.

The magisters stepped into the golden city while still alive and turned it into the black city as well as becoming the first darkspawns. Hes the reason why the chantry fears mages and treats them the way they do, as well as the one who brought the existance of darkspawns to thedas.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_City

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 27 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Corypheus, the Architect, and the other Magisters became the first Awakened Darkspawn, not the first Darkspawn in existence.

Fixed.

[Persephone]

Rifneno wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Spare me your "jokes" on alcohol and drug addictions, they are in poor taste.

Yes. To overthrow Loghain. Not to use Alistair as a puppet king. You know, that's why these scenarios are in the game, to allow these different interpretations.

Spare me your "conspiracy theories," they are in poor taste.

No conspiracy theories, just plain old common sense. I respect Eamon for being a wily old fox and capable politician, you know?

[Persephone]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...
Then, with Cailan, he offered to bring troops, which Cailan refused, and he suggested divorcing Anora because they had not produced an heir. Landsmeets are infinitely more difficult when they are choosing a new royal house. He said nothing about going for Celene. That was Cailan's idea.

It's hilarious that you would villainize Eamon while turning a blind eye to the ridiculousness and complete stupidity of Loghain's.

While I can somewhat understand that you dislike Loghain's political choices (He is a bad politician who should have remained a general...) But what I find hardest to swallow about Eamon is the suggestion to divorce a loyal, capable, competent wife like Anora who isn't yet 30. Even a tyrant like Henry VIII waited until his wife was way beyond forty before he attempted to ditch her to get an heir with Anne Boleyn.

IMO it is not villanous to be a conniving, intelligent and ruthless politician like Eamon. (A more able one than Loghain by far) That is why I still respect him.

And Loghain is a lot of things but he is neither ridiculous nor stupid.

[Xilizhra]

Wait a minute... I thought that it was Eamon's idea for Cailan to ditch Anora and that Cailan himself got extremely angry over it?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Why are we talking about Loghain?

Xilizhra wrote...

Wait a minute... I thought that it was Eamon's idea for Cailan to ditch Anora and that Cailan himself got extremely angry over it?

That was a year or so before DA:O.

[Sylvianus]

Persephone wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Yeah of course. Loghain tries to kill you, and on the other hand you don't want to follow Eamon, the unique lord who is listening,  and able to help you.

Warden : But the blight....

But the blight wthout an army and support, how do you fight it ?

Me that's the competence of your warden that I question. Eamon can not do anything he wants, it is clear that if you want to be helped, you need to help him for your army against the blight. Someone competent enough would understand.

You misunderstood:

No, I do not want Eamon to use me as a chesspiece and boy, did he have an awakening at the Landsmeet. Manipulation is a wonderful thing, if you know how to do it. So no, my Warden did not follow Eamon or his advice but played his game and achieved the result she thought was best for Ferelden.

Oh, I see. You're dangerous..

I respect Eamon for being a wily old fox and capable politician,

Totally agree with this description. Plus, I like very much Eamon. And the same as you, he lost me at the landsmeet. We disagree about Anora as well. She's a thousand time better than Allistair as a leader. She will become my queen.

I do not remember, but I think that the relationship between them doesn't exceed the framework of a polite interest though.

Anora sees the new king at her side as a political rival. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2011 - 04:11 .

[Chewin]

Sylvianus wrote...
Anora sees the new king at her side as a political rival. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's why you're just a prince-consort not a king. Not that it really matters.

Modifié par Chewin3, 27 août 2011 - 04:13 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sylvianus wrote...

Anora sees the new king at her side as a political rival. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not necessarily, the end of Awakening hinted at a rapprochement.
Anora more like treats the Warden as a *potential rival*, so takes precautions aginst him.

Makes the relationship centered around domination, all the more interesting, no?

[Sylvianus]

Chewin3 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
Anora sees the new king at her side as a political rival. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's why you're just a prince-consort not a king. Not that it really matters.

Yes prince consort.

That's what Anora want and wanted I would be.

But the truth is this title, " prince consort " ( so someone useless ) means nothing. And Anora know it, that's why she considers me as a rival. . She knows that all the real power isn't necessarily in her hands. She knows that even without any legitimacy for the throne, I'm still a threat for her own power, me ,the hero of Ferelden.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 27 août 2011 - 04:28 .

[Sylvianus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Anora sees the new king at her side as a political rival. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not necessarily, the end of Awakening hinted at a rapprochement.
Anora more like treats the Warden as a *potential rival*, so takes precautions aginst him.

Makes the relationship centered around domination, all the more interesting, no?

completely, very interesting.

And I didn't know for the rapprochement at the end of Awakening. God, I forgot many things.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sylvianus wrote...
But the truth is this title, " prince consort " ( so someone useless ) means nothing.

De jure, it means nothing. De facto, you can make it mean a lot.

[TEWR]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...
He was killed before he could gather his thoughts. Trust me if he had not been as confused as he was everyone would have been in alot of trouble.

I don't care, that's what I would have gotten if I bought it. Thankfully, I just watched a LP.

They did not even give us the option to interact with him. At least I can talk with the Architect.

I could question Cory just fine in every playthrough of Legacy???

I felt bad for him the first time playing through he seemed so disoriented and lost. I also  kinda wanted to have more dialogue with him but its one of those "Uh, this guy destroyed heaven and was one of the first darkspawns i really should not talk to him"

Corypheus and the other Magisters became the first Awakened Darkspawn, not the first Darkspawn in existence.

The magisters stepped into the golden city while still alive and turned it into the black city as well as becoming the first darkspawns. Hes the reason why the chantry fears mages and treats them the way they do, as well as the one who brought the existance of darkspawns to thedas.

dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Golden_City

No.

That Corypheus, the Architect, and the other Magisters did indeed enter a city and become the first Awakened Darkspawn does not mean they:

1) Blackened a supposedly golden City, especially given how Corypheus implies it was always black.
2) were the first Darkspawn in existence.

Awakened Darkspawn cannot seek out the Old Gods because they cannot hear the song they sing, which serves as a beacon for the mindless horde. The Architect tells you this. Nor could 5 (assuming the opening cinematic of Origins showed all the ones that went) Magisters-turned-Darkspawn dig for centuries and centuries to try and find an Old God without being noticed by the Dwarves and without being killed.

The Dwarves say that the first Darkspawn ever seen were Genlocks, which points to the Primeval Thaig's Dwarves as being the cause of the Darkspawn. Especially given the fact that the red lyrium emits a sound similar to the whispering that is heard in the Warden Joining, the Reaver Joining, and what's heard by the Darkspawn. Which points to it being connected to the Old Gods and Dragons in general.

Also, we don't even know if the Magister-turned-Darkspawn can taint humanity naturally (or at least I don't. Haven't read the Calling). If they can't, they may just be a very powerful Super Ghoul that can command the Darkspawn instead of serving them.

[TEWR]

Persephone wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...
Then, with Cailan, he offered to bring troops, which Cailan refused, and he suggested divorcing Anora because they had not produced an heir. Landsmeets are infinitely more difficult when they are choosing a new royal house. He said nothing about going for Celene. That was Cailan's idea.

It's hilarious that you would villainize Eamon while turning a blind eye to the ridiculousness and complete stupidity of Loghain's.

While I can somewhat understand that you dislike Loghain's political choices (He is a bad politician who should have remained a general...) But what I find hardest to swallow about Eamon is the suggestion to divorce a loyal, capable, competent wife like Anora who isn't yet 30. Even a tyrant like Henry VIII waited until his wife was way beyond forty before he attempted to ditch her to get an heir with Anne Boleyn.

I think Cailan was just shooting blanks. I doubt Anora's barren.

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Corypheus, the Architect, and the other Magisters became the first Awakened Darkspawn, not the first Darkspawn in existence.

Fixed.

Well, I do include him among the others

[Mike3207]

The relationship between Anora and the PC largely depends on how you roleplay it. She clearly views a marriage to the Cousland as an opportunity, and she even says so. If you announce the marriage at the Landsmeet, she will not let you get out of it(unless you jump into the jaws of the dragon). It is a concern for her that you will take power around the time of the Landsmeet and Coronation.You see this if you choose King dialogue, she insists you are a prince, not king.

It's seems pretty clear by the time of her Awakenings cameo that she believes the Warden will not remove her from the throne. There are a lot of King references in DA2 to the Warden, so it's my guess they both eventually reached a powersharing arrangement. We won't know for sure though until the Fereldan throne is addressed in DA3 or future DLC.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 27 août 2011 - 06:36 .