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[LobselVith8]

Rifneno wrote...

Anders becoming a mouthpiece for the devs unsatisfied with the ratio of mage supporters to templar supporters sent me into a short nerdrage though. Totally out of character for him.

I didn't see a point to it, especially since it contradicts what Anders tells Hawke in Act II when providing him with the Tevinter amulet. Do the writers really think having Anders say an asinine line of dialogue is going to matter when turning all the mage antagonists insane and stupid didn't?

The different views on Arl Eamon's personality and his political machinations, and the different facets of Loghain remind me of what was missing from Dragon Age 2.

[Herr Uhl]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Anders becoming a mouthpiece for the devs unsatisfied with the ratio of mage supporters to templar supporters sent me into a short nerdrage though. Totally out of character for him.

I didn't see a point to it, especially since it contradicts what Anders tells Hawke in Act II when providing him with the Tevinter amulet. Do the writers really think having Anders say an asinine line of dialogue is going to matter when turning all the mage antagonists insane and stupid didn't?

What line? I've asked this before when you two brought it up. There was something about the kings messenger being a mouthpiece in RtO as well.

The different views on Arl Eamon's personality and his political machinations, and the different facets of Loghain remind me of what was missing from Dragon Age 2.

Dragon age 2 had crap main players (insanity tends to do that), but DAO was not the masterpiece that it is made out to be here. The "facets" of Loghain and Eamon are mostly fan made.

[LobselVith8]

Herr Uhl,

Anders' line about the Chantry towards the end of Legacy, which contradicts what he says when Hawke gives him the Tevinter Amulet in Act Two. Considering that Anders acknowledges that he believes in the Chantry's version of the Golden City in his Act Two quest, his comments at the end of Legacy don't deserve any purpose.

As for Arl Eamon and Loghain, Loghain addresses that he suspects that Eamon knew about Connor being a mage, while Loghain's character is known from Origins and the two Dragon Age novels that were published. The facets addressed aren't fan made, but addressed from what's viewed and read about them.

[Herr Uhl]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Herr Uhl,

Anders' line about the Chantry towards the end of Legacy, which contradicts what he says when Hawke gives him the Tevinter Amulet in Act Two. Considering that Anders acknowledges that he believes in the Chantry's version of the Golden City in his Act Two quest, his comments at the end of Legacy don't deserve any purpose.

Ok, that seems more like an oversight than a "mouthpiece" moment. Bad writing in any case.

As for Arl Eamon and Loghain, Loghain addresses that he suspects that Eamon knew about Connor being a mage, while Loghain's character is known from Origins and the two Dragon Age novels that were published. The facets addressed aren't fan made, but addressed from what's viewed and read about them.

I've been over the books and the game many a time and I stand by my point.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 27 août 2011 - 09:20 .

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think Cailan was just shooting blanks. I doubt Anora's barren.

I think the problem was that a human fetus couldn't possibly survive the sub-zero temperatures of Anora's frigid tomb--er, womb.

[Xilizhra]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think Cailan was just shooting blanks. I doubt Anora's barren.

I think the problem was that a human fetus couldn't possibly survive the sub-zero temperatures of Anora's frigid tomb--er, womb.

What's your issue with Anora?

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I think Cailan was just shooting blanks. I doubt Anora's barren.

I think the problem was that a human fetus couldn't possibly survive the sub-zero temperatures of Anora's frigid tomb--er, womb.

What's your issue with Anora?

Seriously?

[Xilizhra]

Seriously?

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

[dragonflight288]

Back on topic. Mages and templars, after three years of fighting are most likely at a bitter stalemate otherwise the Seeker's wouldn't be seeking out the Dragon Age's greatest heroes to help put an end to the war.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seriously?

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

Anora is competent, but doesn't inspire much trust.

Anyway, back to mages vs templars. Even if the Chantry wants the war over, they would likely want an ending favorable to the Templar side. Templars might take Chantry doctrine way past eleven, but they both agree that mages should not have their freedom. The fact that they are so desperate in seeking a solution indicates the mages really, really caught them with their pants down.

[dragonflight288]

That what happens when the powers that be go undisturbed for 1000 years, so they don't expect their dirty laundry to be shot out in the open.

[LobselVith8]

Rifneno wrote...

Seriously?

I didn't mind Anora being ambitious. She doesn't really know The Warden or his moiety crew like Alistair does, and I think the best solution for Ferelden is her ruling as Queen with a personality hardened Alistair as King. I can understand her keeping her distance from complete strangers, especially when she knows Arl Eamon wants to replace her with Cailan's brother.

[Mike3207]

It all depends on the amount of leadership and support both sides receive. I see it ending up as a guerilla war unless one side gets a considerable advantage. Both sides seem considerably weakened at the end of DA2, so I think a guerilla war with neither side getting an advantage is the most likely outcome.

[Urzon]

Mike Smith wrote...

It all depends on the amount of leadership and support both sides receive. I see it ending up as a guerilla war unless one side gets a considerable advantage. Both sides seem considerably weakened at the end of DA2, so I think a guerilla war with neither side getting an advantage is the most likely outcome.

Mages fighting guerilla warfare style?

 Does that mean we might be seeing camouflage robes in the near future?

[dragonflight288]

The game starts out three years after the war started, Cassandra is interviewing Varric because the Chantry is desperate to end the war. I want more content of how the war is being fought and not just speculate over it.

[Augustei]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seriously?

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

Shes queen in my game but it always really annoyed me how she would put down Cailan and Alistair thinking of them as fools etc.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

LobselVith8 wrote...

I didn't mind Anora being ambitious. She doesn't really know The Warden or his moiety crew like Alistair does, and I think the best solution for Ferelden is her ruling as Queen with a personality hardened Alistair as King. I can understand her keeping her distance from complete strangers, especially when she knows Arl Eamon wants to replace her with Cailan's brother.

Hmm. I'd like to reply, but it's not a good idea to try to discuss Anora with... someone here.

Mike Smith wrote...

It all depends on the amount of leadership and support both sides receive. I see it ending up as a guerilla war unless one side gets a considerable advantage. Both sides seem considerably weakened at the end of DA2, so I think a guerilla war with neither side getting an advantage is the most likely outcome.

Not really. The mages and templars of Kirkwall have pretty much brought each other to their knees at the end of DA2. But war broke out between the two factions all across Thedas as a result. We've all got speculative scenarios, but we're all biased whether consciously or not so there's really no telling. The only faction we know about is the Chantry (not to be mistaken with the templars that went AWOL). They're in shambles, judging by the fact they're grasping at straws. And Varric said it. *looks for s amiley that's dancing on a grave*

dragonflight288 wrote...

The game starts out three years after the war started, Cassandra is interviewing Varric because the Chantry is desperate to end the war. I want more content of how the war is being fought and not just speculate over it.

Unfortunately I doubt we'll get more content about the mages vs. templars. It wouldn't make sense for Cassandra to be confused about what happened in the Gallows if Hawke was still involved in the war afterwards, especially a pro-templar Hawke. ... Then again, since when has DA2 made sense... Still, I expect DLC to be more about things like that swarm of omniabominations the Warden let out of Amgarrak to save one drooling lunatic and one greedy bastard that kind of deserved to die anyway.

[Mike3207]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

LobselVith8 wrote...

I didn't mind Anora being ambitious. She doesn't really know The Warden or his moiety crew like Alistair does, and I think the best solution for Ferelden is her ruling as Queen with a personality hardened Alistair as King. I can understand her keeping her distance from complete strangers, especially when she knows Arl Eamon wants to replace her with Cailan's brother.

Hmm. I'd like to reply, but it's not a good idea to try to discuss Anora with... someone here.

I hope that wsn't a reference to me. I am a supporter of Anora and Loghain, but I think you can discuss both of them with  reason and logic. You could say the Warden and Anora are indirectly responsible for Anders blowing up the Chantry, given that both of them had an opportunity to turn Anders over to the Chantry for justice in Awakenings. BTW, how is it handled in the import if you do follow that path? Is that another case  of the game overriding your decisions?

Modifié par Mike Smith, 28 août 2011 - 06:25 .

[TEWR]

something that struck me as interesting: Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah said that many people would think the 5th Blight was a hoax because of how brief it was and that the Grey Wardens were lying for centuries. They then talked about Orlais being a country thinking that (most likely just as an example, not as a lore hint).

The people who believe that the 5th Blight was a hoax may move against Ferelden and the Grey Wardens since they're both part and parcel to the 5th Blight. This only strengthens my conviction that Ferelden will go Church of England and become mage-friendly.

[TEWR]

Mike Smith wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Eh. We each have our own agendas, and can help each other. Maybe she's self-serving, but that's not enough for me to slap the hatred label on her, and she's a good politician.

LobselVith8 wrote...

I didn't mind Anora being ambitious. She doesn't really know The Warden or his moiety crew like Alistair does, and I think the best solution for Ferelden is her ruling as Queen with a personality hardened Alistair as King. I can understand her keeping her distance from complete strangers, especially when she knows Arl Eamon wants to replace her with Cailan's brother.

Hmm. I'd like to reply, but it's not a good idea to try to discuss Anora with... someone here.

I hope that wsn't a reference to me. I am a supporter of Anora and Loghain, but I think you can discuss both of them with  reason and logic. You could say the Warden and Anora are indirectly responsible for Anders blowing up the Chantry, given that both of them had an opportunity to turn Anders over to the Chantry for justice in Awakenings. BTW, how is it handled in the import if you do follow that path? Is that another case  of the game overriding your decisions?

Anders becomes a Grey Warden somewhere else and still meets Justice, even if you killed Justice at the Dragonbone Wastes.

Which wouldn't be so bad had Bioware given a few dialogue changes to reflect on that. Have Anders say that he met a spirit of Justice during his time as a Warden. And that Justice had been "slain" somewhere in Ferelden and they talked about mages in general.

Just something would've been nice.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Why are we talking about Loghain?

Because some find him more interesting than anything in DA2  

As for Anora...

I only wish I could actually kill her. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 août 2011 - 09:06 .

[Rifneno]

Mike Smith wrote...

I hope that wsn't a reference to me.

No, not at all.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

something that struck me as interesting: Mike Laidlaw and Mark Darrah said that many people would think the 5th Blight was a hoax because of how brief it was and that the Grey Wardens were lying for centuries. They then talked about Orlais being a country thinking that (most likely just as an example, not as a lore hint).

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Gray Wardens think the Fifth Blight was a hoax. There's the fact it was put down so quickly, which has everyone else suspicious, but the wardens also know something else: a Gray Warden must sacrifice him or herself to slay an archdemon. In many if not most people's canons this did not occur. There were three wardens in the country at the time. One fell to his death before the archdemon was even truly engaged, and the other two were new recruits. One of which so new a recruit that he's not even on the warden's records. Then again I've always thought the wardens know more than we think. The leadership in Weisshaupt anyway.

[Darius Vir]

Rifneno wrote...


You know, I wouldn't be surprised if most of the Gray Wardens think the Fifth Blight was a hoax. There's the fact it was put down so quickly, which has everyone else suspicious, but the wardens also know something else: a Gray Warden must sacrifice him or herself to slay an archdemon. In many if not most people's canons this did not occur. There were three wardens in the country at the time. One fell to his death before the archdemon was even truly engaged, and the other two were new recruits. One of which so new a recruit that he's not even on the warden's records. Then again I've always thought the wardens know more than we think. The leadership in Weisshaupt anyway.

Honestly, I would be surprised if Weisshaupt didn't already know about the existence of the DR.  

Among other things, Riordan's description of the creep-fest at that place should set off some warning bells. 

[Rifneno]

Darius Vir wrote...

Honestly, I would be surprised if Weisshaupt didn't already know about the existence of the DR.  

Among other things, Riordan's description of the creep-fest at that place should set off some warning bells. 

Duncan set off my warning bells the loudest actually.  In the Dalish origin, knowing what we do now of the Eluvians... he knew way too much.  I don't know if he knew more than he told our wardens but I definitely think his superiors knew.  And he said that they just "go bad" after a while of their own accord, which leads credence to the theory that they lead into the Black City... but that's another topic I guess...

[ChaplainTappman]

Coming in rather late here, so this has probably already been said.

Long term, I suspect the mages are largely boned, outside of Tevinter. Which is a shame, since I generally sympathize with the mages (excepting the Kirkwall Circle). I don't see how the mages can hope to gain the sympathy of the Thedasi public. In general they'll distrustful of mages already, and displays of their magic are unlikely to engender much support. People will side with the Templars, if only because of their unease towards mages.