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[Zanallen]

IanPolaris wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

I kind of hope the mages get stomped into the ground.

Before or after the Qunari stomp the rest of Thedas into the ground because of lack of magic?

-Polaris

After, of course. Having them enslaved by Qunari would be much better.

[IanPolaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

I kind of hope the mages get stomped into the ground.

Before or after the Qunari stomp the rest of Thedas into the ground because of lack of magic?

-Polaris

We'd still have Tevinter, they've tag-teamed with the White Divine in some cases already.

That was with the full assistance of all the circles of Thedas, as well as the Tevinter mages,and even then it was at best a draw.

No.  Without the circle mages, Thedas gets curbstomped by the Qunari.

-Polaris

[Zanallen]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Why's that?

I don't like them. Not sure why. I've never really liked mages in any games. Even in D&D, the majority of my characters have been fighter types, or at best utility types like bards or rangers. I did have an awesome sorceror though. Of course, I then cross-classed him to be more fighterish.

[Augustei]

Dave of Canada wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

I kind of hope the mages get stomped into the ground.

Before or after the Qunari stomp the rest of Thedas into the ground because of lack of magic?

-Polaris

We'd still have Tevinter, they've tag-teamed with the White Divine in some cases already.

Minrathous will be the first thing to fall to the Qunari.. It'll be constantinople all over again.. sept y'know fictional

[Augustei]

Zanallen wrote...

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

Why's that?

I don't like them. Not sure why. I've never really liked mages in any games. Even in D&D, the majority of my characters have been fighter types, or at best utility types like bards or rangers. I did have an awesome sorceror though. Of course, I then cross-classed him to be more fighterish.

I hate them in The Witcher immensely. Playing dirty politics and causing wars all around and kingdoms to collapse.. And all because they were stupid and deceived by Nilfgaard.. Plus most mages that dont get proper training are insane lol. Dont like Physkers in Warhammer.. they just seem to crazy and unstable. Everything else though Mages are awesome =D Especially LOTR

[GodWood]

IanPolaris wrote...
No.  Without the circle mages, Thedas gets curbstomped by the Qunari.

It's win win!

[SkittlesKat96]

Speaking of Seekers and their role in the series I think that the Seekers must tie in with the mage vs. templar war since they are apart of the Chantry, also remember that Cassandra hints that not all the Seekers wish to harm the mages and start a war?

I also think that the sudden re-emergence of Dragons has something to do with Cassandra and her interests and the Seeker and magic.

I reckon the Seekers are similar to Spectres in Mass Effect but they serve the Chantry and they have their own soldiers (possibly) and have a really big influence.

[ChaplainTappman]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Speaking of Seekers and their role in the series I think that the Seekers must tie in with the mage vs. templar war since they are apart of the Chantry, also remember that Cassandra hints that not all the Seekers wish to harm the mages and start a war?

I also think that the sudden re-emergence of Dragons has something to do with Cassandra and her interests and the Seeker and magic.

I reckon the Seekers are similar to Spectres in Mass Effect but they serve the Chantry and they have their own soldiers (possibly) and have a really big influence.

Exactly. I really believe the Seekers will have a huge, possibly even a deciding role in the mage/templar conflict. To the extent that I kind of expect the PC of DA3 to be a Seeker. The Chantry's decided that enough is enough, the war has to end for the good of Thedas, and the Seekers are tasked with ending it.

[esper]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Speaking of Seekers and their role in the series I think that the Seekers must tie in with the mage vs. templar war since they are apart of the Chantry, also remember that Cassandra hints that not all the Seekers wish to harm the mages and start a war?

I also think that the sudden re-emergence of Dragons has something to do with Cassandra and her interests and the Seeker and magic.

I reckon the Seekers are similar to Spectres in Mass Effect but they serve the Chantry and they have their own soldiers (possibly) and have a really big influence.

Exactly. I really believe the Seekers will have a huge, possibly even a deciding role in the mage/templar conflict. To the extent that I kind of expect the PC of DA3 to be a Seeker. The Chantry's decided that enough is enough, the war has to end for the good of Thedas, and the Seekers are tasked with ending it.

Exept some of us wants to play as mage and I don't want to give the chantry anymore power than they already has in fact I want to give them less. It would be like being forced to love Fereldan even if you were dalish or dwarf in da:o that was horrible.

[ChaplainTappman]

esper wrote...

Exept some of us wants to play as mage and I don't want to give the chantry anymore power than they already has in fact I want to give them less. It would be like being forced to love Fereldan even if you were dalish or dwarf in da:o that was horrible.

That's fair. I do think the Seekers' vision of the Andrastian faith in general, and the Chantry in particular, is less zealous and more egalitarian than what we've seen, since most of what we see of the Chantry is the templars. But they've stated that the story of DA3 will be focused on resolving the mage/templar war, and the Seekers are, to me, the only organization with the means and motivation to do that.

[IanPolaris]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

esper wrote...

Exept some of us wants to play as mage and I don't want to give the chantry anymore power than they already has in fact I want to give them less. It would be like being forced to love Fereldan even if you were dalish or dwarf in da:o that was horrible.

That's fair. I do think the Seekers' vision of the Andrastian faith in general, and the Chantry in particular, is less zealous and more egalitarian than what we've seen, since most of what we see of the Chantry is the templars. But they've stated that the story of DA3 will be focused on resolving the mage/templar war, and the Seekers are, to me, the only organization with the means and motivation to do that.

A lot of us would rather have a root canal than help or play a Chantry character in any way.

-Polaris

[Melca36]

IanPolaris wrote...



A lot of us would rather have a root canal than help or play a Chantry character in any way.

-Polaris

The Chantry is basically the ANTI Magic version of the Imperium

Sure they're against regular slavery but mages have to be caged. And if you're not Andrastian, you're considered a heathen.

I would rather see some of truths the Chnatry kept hidden to be exposed. It would be interesting to see Andrastians question their faith.

[CrimsonZephyr]

And from the Codex, it seems like the Seekers are being set up as the Templars' IA division. The problem is they don't do a damn thing. Sure, you could say they didn't know what Meredith was doing (how they could miss it is beyond me). The trouble is, it was their goddamn job to know.

[esper]

I really, really don't want to be a seeker and I don't see the appeal of Cassandra. She did not come across as a good interogater. How did she ever get the idea that my Hawke would calm the mages down if she spoke to them?

In fact I want to rob the seekers from the chantry. They lost the crows, the have now lost the templars if they could lose the seekers too, I hope they would be out of military power. A religion that must spread its chant to all four corner of the world in order to suceed, most not have a military arm - It is too dangerous.

The seekers aren't neutral. They are pro-chantry any compromise they come up with is going to strengthen the chantry. Do not want, espically not if I has to do it.

[ChaplainTappman]

CrimsonZephyr wrote...

And from the Codex, it seems like the Seekers are being set up as the Templars' IA division. The problem is they don't do a damn thing. Sure, you could say they didn't know what Meredith was doing (how they could miss it is beyond me). The trouble is, it was their goddamn job to know.

The IA function is, my guess, only the most visible of the Seekers' responsibility. I don't argue they should've known about Meredith, but I'd make two points. First, the Order has (it seems) always been given a lot of latitude in Kirkwall both in terms of its political power and its heavy hand against mages in the city, the latter because of the high number of apostates and maleficar coming from the city. Granted, the reason for that is because of the Order's own stupidity and ignorance of that which they guard, but that's a different discussion. Second, the Seekers are probably a very small group and have to deploy their limited resources wisely. A city that, while admittedly restive, hosts one of the largest and most powerful templar contigents and is headed by a respected (amongst templars) Knight-Commander only seems like a wise place to devote Seeker resources in hindsight.

@esper: I understand completely. As someone who's generally pro-mage, I'd be wary of anything that protects the status quo. I'm just stating what I think will be the case in DA3, and why I think that it's probably not as bad as you'd imagine. The reality is that the Chantry has to be more accepting of mages and magic. The political reality of Thedas has changed, mages have reasserted themselves and can't be ignored any longer. What's more, the Chantry can't ignore the fact that magic is becoming more and more prevalent; if everyone's a mage, you can't chain them all.

[dragonflight288]

If we play a seeker, it would likely mean that we could theoretically expose several chantry secrets. I personally want the origins back. One of them could be a Seeker for those who want that, Qunari for those who want that. Dwarves and Elves for those who want those.

[ChaplainTappman]

dragonflight288 wrote...

If we play a seeker, it would likely mean that we could theoretically expose several chantry secrets. I personally want the origins back. One of them could be a Seeker for those who want that, Qunari for those who want that. Dwarves and Elves for those who want those.

I would love that, I'm just not sure we'll see it. The reason that worked in Origins is because the Blight was a big enough issue to force people, regardless of race or background, to put aside differences and work together. I don't know what new conflict, what new threat would be great enough to do that with the templar/mage war.

[Augustei]

ChaplainTappman wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

If we play a seeker, it would likely mean that we could theoretically expose several chantry secrets. I personally want the origins back. One of them could be a Seeker for those who want that, Qunari for those who want that. Dwarves and Elves for those who want those.

I would love that, I'm just not sure we'll see it. The reason that worked in Origins is because the Blight was a big enough issue to force people, regardless of race or background, to put aside differences and work together. I don't know what new conflict, what new threat would be great enough to do that with the templar/mage war.

Qunari invasion =D

[IanPolaris]

XxDeonxX wrote...

ChaplainTappman wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

If we play a seeker, it would likely mean that we could theoretically expose several chantry secrets. I personally want the origins back. One of them could be a Seeker for those who want that, Qunari for those who want that. Dwarves and Elves for those who want those.

I would love that, I'm just not sure we'll see it. The reason that worked in Origins is because the Blight was a big enough issue to force people, regardless of race or background, to put aside differences and work together. I don't know what new conflict, what new threat would be great enough to do that with the templar/mage war.

Qunari invasion =D

That's my guess.  Of course if I were the mages, my response to the chantry would be this:

"Let Thedas burn.  It's not like we trust you or have done anything for us." 

I'd negotiate (if I were the mages) with the nobles and princes of the various realms.  There is much mutual interest there and their power does not rest of keeping me (as a mage) down.  The chantry?  No.

-Polaris

[dragonflight288]

Were I the mages, I would take one look at how the Qunari treat their mages and then go....our war needs to end or at least be postponed. I don't want my tongue cut out and I don't want to be collared. You don't want your entire life dictated to you by someone else and that's all you can do. Let's fight them off now, and kill each other later.

[IanPolaris]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Were I the mages, I would take one look at how the Qunari treat their mages and then go....our war needs to end or at least be postponed. I don't want my tongue cut out and I don't want to be collared. You don't want your entire life dictated to you by someone else and that's all you can do. Let's fight them off now, and kill each other later.

Why?  The Qunari may be worse, but going back into slavery is not an option.  If Thedas wants it's mages to save them, then they damne well better appreciate it this time.  Otherwise we'll avoid the Qunari and go the isolationist route.  We may lose but we'll take the rest of Thedas with us, damn it.

-Polaris

[dragonflight288]

Why? The Qunari may be worse, but going back into slavery is not an option. If Thedas wants it's mages to save them, then they damne well better appreciate it this time. Otherwise we'll avoid the Qunari and go the isolationist route. We may lose but we'll take the rest of Thedas with us, damn it.

Nowhere in my statement did I ever say that they should return to the Chantry's rule. Nowhere did I say that the templars would be in charge. I simply said that the threat is too great for either side to handle alone.

I remember a certain Ferelden civil war. Darkspawn were ravaging the countryside, conquering the entire southern half of the country, but all the banns and arls felt it was a good idea to fight each other rather than fight the darkspawn. Entire armies were decimated by Loghain and soon, almost all the standing forces left were those gathered by the Warden.

I don't agree with the Chantry's way of dealing with things. I don't like the templar order's method of recruitment or their treatment of mages. But when a huge threat of technologically superior giants who can bite through steel given enough time (Sten/Morrigan banter), people who have cannons and optics, people who, in the past took hundreds of years to push back while using magic...well I'm not going to make the same mistake as the Ferelden nobility.

Fight the greater threat first, then fight each other later. Still hold onto independence and magical study.

[IanPolaris]

I disagree. When the rest of the world pleads for your help, you agree to give it but ONLY ON YOUR TERMS. Otherwise you know the Chantry is going to hose you if given half a chance later.

I might (as a mage leader) trust an accord with the various noble leaders to fight the Qunari.

The Chantry. Bzzt. No. Thank you for playing. They can crash and burn for all I care.

-Polaris

[dragonflight288]

As a mage (serabaas) to the Qunari, simply speaking to them may be dangerous enough to infect with the curse of magic, in their own beliefs. That's why the cut out the tongues of mages because they feel magic is a contagious disease.

Most likely they wouldn't give you a chance to make an accord with them because it wouldn't follow the Qun having mages being free from a caretaker who leashes them.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Mages were hardly the single savior of Thedas during the Qunari Wars. If you were to separate the contributions of mages vs non mages, the non mages will be vastly greater. It's like comparing the significance of weapons vs the significance of soldiers. Weapons might be important but you can't fight without soldiers.

If anything the Chantry should get the most credit. They were the ones who organized and launched the Exalted Marches to regain lost territory.