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[AreleX]

I recieved a PM a few days ago asking for advice on an Archery build, and whipped one up pretty quickly. I figured I'd share it with the rest of the community so they can give it a shot, and let me know what they think. I have zero plans to play Archer (or DA2, for that matter), so I will put this up for you guys to check out and fool around with. If you like it, I'll add it to my Rogue guide.

Copy/Pasted from the PM:

Invest enough CUN to open traps at your level,  DEX until you get 100% crit chance (gear and weapons included), then the rest into CUN to beef up your guaranteed criticals. You shouldn't need more than 3-5 points invested into CON.

Use the companion builds/tactics from my DW Rogue guide.

Were I going to play Archer (which I'm not), I would take:

1. Pinning Shot
2. Bursting Arrow
3. Rush
4. Speed
5. Save talent point
6. Save talent point
7. Shadow specialization, Rapid Pinning Shot, Blindside, Pinpoint Precision
8. Inconspicuous, Smoking Arrow (Tome of Technique)
9. Disorienting Criticals
10. Rapid Pinning Shot
11. Decoy
12. Archer's Lance, Punishing Lance (Elixir of Technique)
13. Save talent point
14. Assassin specialization, Bloodlust, Sturdy Decoy, Mark of Death (Tome of Technique)
15. Pinpoint Strikes
16. Mark of Doom
17. Devious Harm
18. Assassinate
19. Annihilate
20. Overkill (Elixir of Heroism)
21. Enduring Mark
22. Precision
23. Power
24. Harmony
25. Lightning Speed
26. Energizing Speed

You'll have 2 Brittle killers between the [color=rgb(51, 102, 255)">Lance and Assassinate, boatloads of crit damage, a way to Obscure yourself indefinitely when Varric's Fog and Chameleon's Breath are on CD (shoot Decoy to redirect threat + get Pinning Shot and Rush, both on quick cooldowns.

This is just the way I played it out in my mind. I'd imagine it to be awesome and very safe, for those  uncomfortable, with being right up in the action (read: girly men), but I have no plans to use it.

I leave that up to you guys, and hope you bow sissies enjoy it.

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Modifié par AreleX, 09 septembre 2011 - 11:45 .

[Darchon_]

This is mostly similar to the archer build I am making.

My changes:
I'm not going so far into the Archery tree since I only have a single mage with Brittle, so Assassinate should be enough. If not I'll give it to Varric since he has most the Archery tree anyway.
The other change I would make is to remove rush, and get stealth and shadow veil.

With Shadow Veil I will run up, decoy, and have obscure to start the disorientation happening while my mages use their Stone Fist and Walking Bomb and Spirit Bolt to kill. Once obscure runs out, I can stealth and then reapply the obscure while continuing to set up disorients. Whenever I bring Aveline she is also set up to be a disorient killer.

Most fights should be over by then, but if not I'll get Varric to Fog me to keep up perma-obscure.

[Forde Cousland]

As an admitted bow sissy in search of a comfortable NM run-through, I'd definitely endorse this build. It's powerful as hell, and allows you to maximize your damage output pretty quickly. Just completed a jaunt through the Deep Roads at level 13, and absolutely dominated. My team (Anders, Varric, and Bethany) barely took a hit... keeping up Obscure and capitalizing on Disorient is key. If you fool around with Anders's build a bit, you can also take advantage of the Brittle status with Punishing Lance. 

Much thanks to AreleX for posting his suggestions, despite the fact that Archer builds probably trigger his upchuck-reflex;)

Modifié par Forde Cousland, 24 août 2011 - 12:29 .

[ripstrawberry]

"Invest enough CUN to open traps at your level, DEX until you get 100% crit chance (gear and weapons included), then the rest into CUN to beef up your guaranteed criticals. You shouldn't need more than 3-5 points invested into CON."

Why bother wasting points into con? Those points are better spent on dex or cun. It's not really needed if you know how to play archers or you know what you're doing with your party.

"3. Rush"

Why? This is a crappy talent and doesn't even have synergize well w/ a ranged playstyle.

"7. Shadow specialization, Rapid Pinning Shot, Blindside, Precise Criticals"

Personally I would re-spec out of precise criticals once I have 100% crit and start using speed more

"I'm not going so far into the Archery tree since I only have a single mage with Brittle, so Assassinate should be enough. If not I'll give it to Varric since he has most the Archery tree anyway."

Ditto. Archer's lance is a bit unwieldy anyways and can possibly cause friendly fire on nightmare.

"The other change I would make is to remove rush, and get stealth and shadow veil."

Ditto.

"With Shadow Veil I will run up, decoy, and have obscure to start the disorientation happening while my mages use their Stone Fist and Walking Bomb and Spirit Bolt to kill. Once obscure runs out, I can stealth and then reapply the obscure while continuing to set up disorients. Whenever I bring Aveline she is also set up to be a disorient killer."

This is usually how I play the rogue archer as well though I take aveline (specced for dps w/ different elemental weapons) over varric. I also generally avoid walking bomb if I play on nightmare.

Here's how I build my rogue archer (not in order, assuming a level 28 character):

http://biowarefans.c...tlevEBDFsH0rhuG

It's possible to reach level 29 so you really have a spare point you can use in whatever strikes your fancy like upgraded inconspicuous, goad, etc. I'm quite self-sufficient with enough threat management and can perma-obscure myself in a long fight w/o the need for another rogue too.

[AreleX]

1. con is a suggestion for those uncomfortable with low health characters. you don't have to take it if you don't need it.

2. rush is a good panic button, and the focus was on making this build totally safe for your average player. rush is not a crappy talent. it can un-stealth assassins as well. if you don't need it, skip it.

3. precise criticals was supposed to be pinpoint precision, that's an error.

4. shadow veil and stealth are not needed. i think i already explained why elsewhere.

5. you shouldn't be having many (if any, at all) ff issues with archer's lance because you are not an npc

Modifié par AreleX, 24 août 2011 - 04:46 .

[AreleX]

i'm working on a little side project for you bow sissies, get ready for the dirtiest archery build you've ever seen

[mesmerizedish]

I hope it involves nudity.

[AreleX]

only for you, sweetrobin

only for you

[ripstrawberry]

"rush is a good panic button, and the focus was on making this build totally safe for your average player. rush is not a crappy talent. it can un-stealth assassins as well. if you don't need it, skip it."

While true, since you're an archer and in a party, isn't having bursting arrow and your party's aoe talents/spells enough for de-stealthing assassins? I just see it as a waste of a point and crappy (deals crap dmg w/ a little aoe in front only) which you can spend on something more useful. But yeah I do agree it might be useful to a player who doesn't know how to handle enemy assassins.

"4. shadow veil and stealth are not needed. i think i already explained why elsewhere."

While it's true that it's not needed, it is quite handy to have. Guess I'll just have to agree to disagree

"5. you shouldn't be having many (if any, at all) ff issues with archer's lance because you are not an npc"

Not necessarily. Sometimes, the stupid AI *cough*anders*cough walks into my archer's lance trajectory just when I released it then promptly gets himself killed. Just saying it's a bit risky.

[AreleX]

i'm beginning to wonder if you refute everything i say for sport

[AreleX]

i think i've more than proven that if i say something, it's not a stretch that i'm right

[ripstrawberry]

“i'm beginning to wonder if you refute everything i say for sport “


No, I’m not. I didn’t mean for it to come off that way. I’m just trying to understand the logic behind some of your choices and I do enjoy discussing the game/mechanics/builds with people who are knowledgeable about it. If I understand your choices better, then perhaps I might add more to my knowledge or correct some of my own misconceptions. Sometimes, I also seek to just offer my own take/information on the topic at hand for other readers. I hope that’s clear.

[AreleX]

if you say so. it occurred to me that you seem to make a point of refuting everything i post, no matter where i post it, or what i'm saying. i know i'm right, everyone else knows it, and these are things i've explained a million times before, that have been proven by several people, so when you come in multiple threads and try to tell me i'm wrong about something, it comes off a certain way.

no hard feelings bro, just checkin'

[Relix28]

A usefull little trick I found, while I was testing out BRITTLE ---> Assassinate combo sometime ago. Thought I'd share it here.

Here's the thing, if Hawke fires Assassinate on a BRITTLE'd target, the BRITTLE status effect doesn't go away like it's supposed to, once you perform a CCC. You also don't hear that CCC "smash" sound, but you DO get the extra damage from CCC, like you are supposed to.
Basically, this means you can exploit with two CCC's in a row on the same brittle'd target.

Example:
Step 1: Anders - Winters Grasp (target BRITTLE)
*Step 2: Hawke - Mark of Death, Assassinate (40% damage cap reached, target still BRITTLE)
Step 3: Hawke - Archers Lance (CCC goes off, BRITTLE effect lost, target most likely dead).

*Note: While performing Step 2, you must not be obscured, otherwise Assassinate will change the status effect to DISORIENTED, thus ruining the exploit.

The only downside to this is the fact that Archers Lance has a pretty hefty startup time and the BRITTLE effect can go away rather fast sometimes. Wich means you have to be pretty fast to pull it off.

So, that's that. I suggest you try it out for yourselves, and see, if it's worth it or not. Personally, I found it's application mostly situational (depending on the number of elites present, remaining health after Assassinate, etc...), but I did manage to pull it of quite frequently, so it definitelly had it's uses.

Modifié par Relix28, 25 août 2011 - 03:15 .

[mr_afk]

another useful trick for archers (if you're playing in a ranged party or solo) for dealing with arcane horrors is to run into melee range dump a decoy in their face then shoot them from a distance. They automatically try to death syphon your decoy leaving you free to shoot them from relative safety.

this isn't so useful for melee parties as they will most likely get caught in that spiral of death. of course there is an alternative of simply brittling them and CCCing the hell out of them using Relix's method. This is just something I found useful while mucking around with my solo archer.

[thendcomes]

Planting the dog near him works too.

[paintandbass]

I actually find Archer's Lance very useful and get it as soon as possible, particularly when doing a solo archer run. While aiming it can take some practice, and the lack of an overhead camera in DA2 makes it far more difficult than it needs to be, it's a great crowd control talent. Particularly in closed quarters where a solo archer usually has the most difficulty- it lets you knock out a fair chunk of health from a lot of enemies at once. It's obviously not as useful in open air combat or when playing with companions though.

[Jestina]

thendcomes wrote...
Planting the dog near him works too.

Someone should call PETA.

[ripstrawberry]

"if you say so. it occurred to me that you seem to make a point of refuting everything i post, no matter where i post it, or what i'm saying. i know i'm right, everyone else knows it, and these are things i've explained a million times before, that have been proven by several people, so when you come in multiple threads and try to tell me i'm wrong about something, it comes off a certain way."

C'mon bro don't exaggerate. Not everything. Some yes. And take note, I react not to just your posts but to everybody's. I just disagree with certain things or decide to offer my take on certain aspects of the game. I know you believe that you're right so that's why I want to see the logic behind your recommendations or choices because sometimes I believe otherwise. I believe I'm right as well. I'm not as dumb about game mechanics/combat as you might think (if you do that is). Not to put myself on the pedestal or something but I was somewhat an "authority" for this game and DAO but just on other forums. But since those sites, have been blocked in my office, I've moved here and decided i'd like to learn what the "authorities" in here know about the game andto correct any misconceptions i might have too.

Ok that was too much information and long-winded. Hehehe. Anyways yeah no hard feelings bro.

Modifié par ripstrawberry, 26 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[thendcomes]

Haha! My poor sacrificial puppy.

[thendcomes]

ripstrawberry wrote...

I was somewhat an "authority" for this game and DAO but just on other forums. 

What forums? And how did we compare to them? lol

[ripstrawberry]

Gamefaqs to name the primary one. PS3. Less people there, but less trolls as well. I like the info influx here though because the PC people (people w/ access to coding) are here. Lots of more knowledgeable and diligent people here too. There I could probably count with my hand the people who gave reliable or at least arguable info like Widget. People were nicer there too though. I see alot of posturing and testosterone contests here. It's funny to watch though. I think in one of the posts here I did agree with another poster that correcting somebody else can be done in nicer ways

I was also on the wikia alot back in DAO/DAA days. That's the 1st place I encountered IN where we discussed his archer guide when I was still new to awakening (yeah picked it up late).

You ever frequent any other forums besides BSN theendcomes?

[ripstrawberry]

I just realized I used "too" and "though" too much while typing that last post. Man, i need writing lessons. XD

[thendcomes]

My bad, we're derailing the thread. I pm'ed you.