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AreleX

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we all used to be so nice and kind here in the first couple months, like a big happy family (with mr afk as the weird cousin who would lick people's ears)

then the stupid, ignorant, demanding and ungrateful wear on you to the point where you have zero tolerance for it. i get tons of messages every single day, and posts in my threads. some people are kind, and i meet them with kindness in return. some people seem to have a ridiculous sense of entitlement, demand i help them, and generally act like spoile brats, when i do this out of love for the community and helping people

< - no longer has any tolerance for it

if you come here and genuinely ask for help, i will do everything i possibly can to make your da2 experience more fun

if you're stupid, and you act stupid, i'm going to tell you that you're stupid. these forums are full of information on just about anything you could want to know about the game, and they should read up and learn before coming in here complaining about things. some people have it coming, and i'm done giving a soft touch to them in hopes that they come around.

in other, topic related news, i finished the video for this new build, and will write something up for it soon

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thendcomes wrote...

My bad, we're derailing the thread. I pm'ed you.


i don't mind bro, i'll be making a new one soon anyways

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i wanted to give a little insight into my mean streak, and how just being a decent, semi intelligent human being is all it takes for me to not hate you

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AreleX wrote...

we all used to be so nice and kind here in the first couple months, like a big happy family (with mr afk as the weird cousin who would lick people's ears)


LOL i don't know what will Mr afk think if he see this. :?

But thanks for your guide. It help people alot.

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haha he'll probably find it hilarious as he always does :lol:

But yeah, the good old days where IN1 still lurked around with his crazy builds and concepts and Jack-Nader was there to completely crush Arelex's speedrun times hahaha

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i do believe it was more like...

1. arelex/jack nader going back and forth

...

...

mud

dirty underwear

fat girls

roleplayers

...

mr afk

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if you are mud, dirty underwear, a fat girl, or a roleplayer, rest easy knowing that i love you, and you are above mr afk

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Well i hear muddy fat roleplaying girls in dirty underwear can play a pretty mean game of DA2.
But still, i would rather them not be 'above' me- that doesn't sound too....healthy hahaha

And you forgot the part where Jack-Nader got 14 seconds for the deep roads dragon with a rogue (http://www.youtube.c...h?v=PZmSVq9x1A4) and ~16 seconds with a warrior () :P

I attribute it to a tolerance for mind-numbing boring repetition allowing him to find decent gear via shopping (I tend to give up after a few minutes).

Modifié par mr_afk, 29 août 2011 - 04:37 .


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mr_afk wrote...

muddy fat roleplaying girls in dirty underwear


aka the fenris thread

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AreleX wrote...

mr_afk wrote...

muddy fat roleplaying girls in dirty underwear


aka the fenris thread


:lol:

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 I just wanted to take a minute to thank Arelex publicly for the work he has put into his guides. You posted something about if "You want help, its out there on this forum", and man is that true.

When I picked up DA:2 a month ago, I started it on Normal and was having some problems so I looked around and saw your mage guide. I used your build closely and your tactics, and even on normal I had issues with some fights but it was definitely easier than before. In hindsight I see that I really was quite the noob. I didn't take advantage of CCCs offered, and my tactics during fights were horrible. At the time though, I didn't think I was doing anything wrong though, and wondered how realistic your guide was or how often you had to reload saves. I also wondered why you had made alot of the decisions you had made. Still, your guide really helped me.

Even though I had issues on Normal with the 3 mage party, I decided my next step was Nightmare with your berserker vanguard. It was really this playthrough that I started to first realize the beauty of your guides. I started to finally understand why you were taking some of the talents you did. Assassin's were an absolute BEAR for me though, as well as the qunari ones in particular heh), and it wasn't until nearly the end of the playthrough that I started to figure out how to deal with them. For quite a few of teh tougher fights, I ended up setting it on Normal just to beat them. By the end of the playthough though, many fights I expected to be hard were so easy on Nightmare that I found myself checking to see if I had left it on normal! 

My last playthrough was as your one-shot overkill and I wasn't sure if I wanted to play it, rogue just sounded weak. However though, all your guides, suicidialBaby's tactics guide and the experience really paid off. Outside of the proloque as a rogue (uggh that was painful), the game felt like on easy the entire time. One-shotting enemy rogues, beating the ARW as if he was nothing, killing Arishok in 20 seconds, etc. 

Thank you so much for the work you put in all these guides. You turned one normal playthrough into getting me totally addicted and having some incredible fun trying things out, adding weeks of enjoyment to this game for me. Right now I am finishing up a playthrough of DA:A and plan on trying out archer in DA:2 next. I can't wait for your full writeup!

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no problem buddy

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if ignorant people make nice people have mean streaks, I now know why old men are so grumpy.

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Just started act2 on Nightmare with this build and it is quite good. Killed the deep dragon super fast and the ARW was a joke. No difficulty fights at all after lvl 7. A few comments...

1) Those advocating not taking Archer's lance are ridiculous. You won't get assassinate until mid act2, until then Archer's Lance is your only huge hitter. Not only that, but it also can do considerable AE incidental AE damage. Friendly fire isn't really an issue at all with a merrill/anders/varric party. As Arelex said, you aren't an NPC.

2) Another ability people make fun of, exploding arrow. I have found it very useful so far. Don't understand all the hate for the archery tree atm, though maybe my opinion will change as I get higher in level. The one thing I don't like about rogue builds compared to warrior/mage ones is the lesser amount of Hawke AoE. Exploding arrow and archer's lance help remedy that, something the DW rogue doesn't have.

3) I really don't like Rush on Hawke. I am usually standing next to Varric while machine gunning things coming towards us, and don't get me wrong, his charge is awesome. It is quite amusing when a few mobs manage to get past the hail of arrows only to suddenly get knocked back. However, his charge seems enough. The times I forced myself to use Rush, it just seemed a waste. I picked up stealth/veil instead, though even these points don't feel necessary either.

Modifié par mwh308, 12 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .


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 thank you for posting!

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Its a good idea use Hood's Message to the King and fire damage gear?

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Abhorash wrote...

Its a good idea use Hood's Message to the King and fire damage gear?


Using Hood's Message to the King is definitelly a good idea. As far as fire damage gear goes, it's generally better to just use the standard +crit damage/chance rogue gear, since the DPS increase from elemental gear is minimal, and you don't have to invest any attribute points in magic and willpower, if you stick with rogue gear. The only +fire damage items I used for my Archer were Dura's Blue Flame (until Legacy), Eye of The Blue (Legacy) and Ring of the Ferryman. These accessories give you a massive fire damage boost, and IMO, it is the only +fire gear worth using.

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Relix28 wrote...

Abhorash wrote...

Its a good idea use Hood's Message to the King and fire damage gear?


Using Hood's Message to the King is definitelly a good idea. As far as fire damage gear goes, it's generally better to just use the standard +crit damage/chance rogue gear, since the DPS increase from elemental gear is minimal, and you don't have to invest any attribute points in magic and willpower, if you stick with rogue gear. The only +fire damage items I used for my Archer were Dura's Blue Flame (until Legacy), Eye of The Blue (Legacy) and Ring of the Ferryman. These accessories give you a massive fire damage boost, and IMO, it is the only +fire gear worth using.


So using the robes of unblemished cleaness is a bad idea? Im using the robe, the eye of the blue and rhe ring of the ferryman right now.

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Abhorash wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Abhorash wrote...

Its a good idea use Hood's Message to the King and fire damage gear?


Using Hood's Message to the King is definitelly a good idea. As far as fire damage gear goes, it's generally better to just use the standard +crit damage/chance rogue gear, since the DPS increase from elemental gear is minimal, and you don't have to invest any attribute points in magic and willpower, if you stick with rogue gear. The only +fire damage items I used for my Archer were Dura's Blue Flame (until Legacy), Eye of The Blue (Legacy) and Ring of the Ferryman. These accessories give you a massive fire damage boost, and IMO, it is the only +fire gear worth using.


So using the robes of unblemished cleaness is a bad idea? Im using the robe, the eye of the blue and rhe ring of the ferryman right now.


No, there's nothing wrong with the robes. If you already speced your character so that he can wear the robes, keep on using them.

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Relix28 wrote...

Abhorash wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

Abhorash wrote...

Its a good idea use Hood's Message to the King and fire damage gear?


Using Hood's Message to the King is definitelly a good idea. As far as fire damage gear goes, it's generally better to just use the standard +crit damage/chance rogue gear, since the DPS increase from elemental gear is minimal, and you don't have to invest any attribute points in magic and willpower, if you stick with rogue gear. The only +fire damage items I used for my Archer were Dura's Blue Flame (until Legacy), Eye of The Blue (Legacy) and Ring of the Ferryman. These accessories give you a massive fire damage boost, and IMO, it is the only +fire gear worth using.


So using the robes of unblemished cleaness is a bad idea? Im using the robe, the eye of the blue and rhe ring of the ferryman right now.


No, there's nothing wrong with the robes. If you already speced your character so that he can wear the robes, keep on using them.


Ok thank you, i will just make a new save for MoA, one with the robes and one with that new loghain armor.

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1. Pinning Shot
2. Bursting Arrow
3. Rush
4. Speed
5. Save talent point
6. Save talent point
7. Shadow specialization, <>Rapid Pinning Shot<>, Blindside, Pinpoint Precision
8. Inconspicuous, Smoking Arrow (Tome of Technique)
9. Disorienting Criticals
10. <>Rapid Pinning Shot<>
11. Decoy
12. Archer's Lance, Punishing Lance (Elixir of Technique)
13. Save talent point
14. Assassin specialization, Bloodlust, Sturdy Decoy, Mark of Death (Tome of Technique)
15. Pinpoint Strikes
16. Mark of Doom
17. Devious Harm
18. Assassinate
19. Annihilate
20. Overkill (Elixir of Heroism)
21. Enduring Mark
22. Precision
23. Power
24. Harmony
25. Lightning Speed
26. Energizing Speed

same skill twice there im asumming you meant ether  disorenting shot or shattering arrow?

Modifié par mredders91, 21 septembre 2011 - 09:02 .


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testing this build! its outrageously powerful, or maybe just archer rogues are in general, but i can tell you even using hawke/merril/anders(no nukes)/fenris with 1h/shield (tank, bad deeps), i slaughtered the ancient rock wraith without it even getting out of transition phases (below 50 during first transition, dead during 2nd).

edit: on nightmare of course

Modifié par ImmortalSamurai, 29 septembre 2011 - 02:06 .


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 Arelex, sorry to bring this old-topic to life ^^' but, have you tought about using some of your tactics of you force-blood mage build and apply them to an archer rogue. say, you keep thing like for petriy and thing like that, but you can through in firestorm and walking in the mix, since you'll gonna be an all-ranged party, and that your walking bomb and firestorm will hit far away from you ? 

i'll give it a shot if i were you ^^'

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I'm pretty sure Arelex finished with DA2 over a year ago now haha.

Also, I think he did end up using a firestorm with his archery setup.
I'm not sure if you've seen it before, but this is what he was working on:


It's basically an attempt to give archery some aoe damage and make it a tad more interesting than auto-attacking everything to death (with the occasional assassinate).
So you drop a decoy near to an boss/elite (clustering the enemies around it), injure and disorient the boss/elite with a pinning shot, then walking bomb and explode it to kill all the enemies nearby.

Modifié par mr_afk, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .


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mr_afk wrote...

I'm pretty sure Arelex finished with DA2 over a year ago now haha.

Also, I think he did end up using a firestorm with his archery setup.
I'm not sure if you've seen it before, but this is what he was working on:


It's basically an attempt to give archery some aoe damage and make it a tad more interesting than auto-attacking everything to death (with the occasional assassinate).
So you drop a decoy near to an boss/elite (clustering the enemies around it), injure and disorient the boss/elite with a pinning shot, then walking bomb and explode it to kill all the enemies nearby.


it's good that someone still checks the da2 forums to help people out

too bad it's the worst player