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[Avilia]

True, true, at least the group fight feels a bit more like a proper battle. But then my Hawke looks a wimp - lol I'm so hard to please.

[esoterican]

Avilia wrote...

esoterican wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Same. I go talk to him at every opportunity just to hear THAT VOICE. My stomach was full of nervous butterflies the first time I had to fight him. I really liked his character and didn't want to kill him. In a subsequent playthrough, I let him have Izzy so I didn't have to.

You too? Glad I wasn't the only one...

I paused the game and exclaimed "you've got to be kidding me!!!?"  I did, seriously.  I thought there's no way my char could solo him, his health bar is bigger than my whole party's combined.

Apart from that I was disappointed that such a good character is given such a lame ending - solo him or give him Isabela only to have her run off...seriously?  Makes him look a dill imho.

Oh, totally. I rolled my eyes when Varric's narration into Act 3 explained how Isabela escaped. I love the chick, but please. Give the Arishok and his men some credit here! It was just too silly.

[Bekkael]

esoterican wrote...

Avilia wrote...

esoterican wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

Same. I go talk to him at every opportunity just to hear THAT VOICE. My stomach was full of nervous butterflies the first time I had to fight him. I really liked his character and didn't want to kill him. In a subsequent playthrough, I let him have Izzy so I didn't have to.

You too? Glad I wasn't the only one...

I paused the game and exclaimed "you've got to be kidding me!!!?"  I did, seriously.  I thought there's no way my char could solo him, his health bar is bigger than my whole party's combined.

Apart from that I was disappointed that such a good character is given such a lame ending - solo him or give him Isabela only to have her run off...seriously?  Makes him look a dill imho.

Oh, totally. I rolled my eyes when Varric's narration into Act 3 explained how Isabela escaped. I love the chick, but please. Give the Arishok and his men some credit here! It was just too silly.

Yeah, Izzy's funny, but she isn't that awesome, or, at least she dies alot in my games, so....

The Arishok is really an interesting character. My warrior Hawke was totally willing to subit to the Qun. For science! :innocent:

[Drimberly]

i LOVE the arishok. flemt, go fly of somewhere, sandal, go sleep with dog, anders...go..glow somewhere...He is easily the best charecter is DA seris, i can never decide wheter to kill him or keep him alive so i can beat him down in DA3. i combination of a wonderfull voice, excellnt charecter lines, writing, a noble background(noble good) a reason for being a antagonist, and most of all...holding a double handed wepon in each hand...*squirms*...gawd i love him. Yet still murder him....

[JPadinhaT]

I wanted him to be my companion D:

[Bekkael]

JPadinhaT wrote...

I wanted him to be my companion D:

A future Qun/Kossith companion would be awesome.

[JPadinhaT]

Bekkael wrote...

JPadinhaT wrote...

I wanted him to be my companion D:

A future Qun/Kossith companion would be awesome.

My very own Saarebas, unchained  
Maybe at first he follows me because he wants to be led like Ketojan did, and as we travel together he begins to find me Basalit-an (non-qunari worthy of honor) in a companion quest the Qunari appear to take him back, but he wishes to stay with me, leave the Qun and we fight the Qunari. 

[Anyrandomname]

Arishok=awesome I wish you could have had him in your party or even just keep him as head of the Kirkwall Qunari all game instead of having to kill him!
I found fighting him VERY dissapointing for 2 reasons
1: Rogues can tear him to pieces, just assasinate,run away, twin fang, run away. Mages just gotta stun attack, run, stun, attack, run. Awesome opponent and super strong if you tried a blow for blow battle but if you played smart, not too hard!
2: Why oh why couldnt you fight him like the trailer showed? A battle on a tower during a storm with the fate of the city hanging in the balance, can't get much more epid then that!!! Wouldnt have been too hard to arrange either, maybe the Arishok pushed the Vicounts guards to the top of the keeps highhest tower and kill him as the champion storms onto the towertop! As a mage, the final kill clip as shown in the trailer would have been awesome! I always wanted to be able to do that as a mage (red eyes, awesome spell ect...) Or even some type of rogue or warrior flashy kill! Wish they hadnt put the fight in the damn throne room :/

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What impressed me about the Arishok was the different levels of emotions he conjured up while talking to him over the course of the acts. I very much enjoyed interacting with him, and found it satisfying to make diplomatic progress even though I knew it was futile. And I found it satisfying to defeat him in battle once he went "full villain mode" on the citizens of Kirkwall. The main thing I was frustrated by was that I was just one point away from gaining his respect, and it was because there was a dialogue option that I was almost iffy about selecting or not.

I think his betrayal is more compelling in some ways than Loghain's simply because the player got a much better feel for what motivates it. We know Loghain feared Orlais but most of our knowledge of Orlais comes from people talking about history. Hawke actually got to experience the worst parts of Krikwall that drove The Arishok to attack in disgust.

[Anyrandomname]

Im not in any way an expert on Dragon age lore as I havnt read many of the codex entry but to me, Loghain always seemed a bit dillusional! He commits loads of vile crimes all because "he fears Orlais"? That seems waaayyy too much like an excuse to b a tyrant to me. Even when you beat him in a deul and he surrenders to you and admits to everything, he still doesnt seem quite right to me... The Arishok on the other hand, is a very much more solid character. You kno who he is and in what he believes and some might even agree with his ideals or at least parts of them! That, is a great rival.

[Bekkael]

How could anyone not like this? He looks like a cuddler to me.

[Selej]

He may try to nuzzle!

[Bekkael]

Selej wrote...

He may try to nuzzle!

That might be painful, actually. Or not. I guess it could go like this: :blink:

[Gespenst]

Anyrandomname wrote...

2: Why oh why couldnt you fight him like the trailer showed? A battle on a tower during a storm with the fate of the city hanging in the balance, can't get much more epid then that!!!

It's basically the same except that Trailer!Hawke in front of the keep instead of in the throne room.

[Arthur Cousland]

Selej wrote...

He may try to nuzzle!

That dialogue between Sten and Morrigan was funny.

I suppose the Qunari chest paint is their armor, or they are so awesome that they don't need armor.

Too bad there isn't an option for a Hawke vs Arishok shirtless duel, fight club style, and if Hawke wins, they get the body paint as a reward.

[Tainan7509]

Eudaemonium wrote...

The Arishok is the reason Act 2 is the highlight of the game.

Completely agree!!

[Tainan7509]

JPadinhaT wrote...

I wanted him to be my companion D:

He can be a really good dps tank. image his charge in the battle field haha special skill

[Knight of Dane]

^
He could just be the entire party, leave Hawke and co. at home and just pwn Meredith's sorry a*s..

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 08 septembre 2011 - 10:39 .

[Bekkael]

That would be funny, actually. Hawke could sit back, relax, and watch the two bosses going at it.

[Adventfather]

JPadinhaT wrote...

I wanted him to be my companion D:

I did too, but I think the developers dug themselves in a hole when they created him. If they considered Arishok as a companion, would his dialogue and everyone's opinion of him change the minute his status of an honorable warrior/dictator to just "Hawke's companion"?

Probably...but alas...we must dream of what damage he could do to Meredith once she went absolutely batty or how he'd most likely rip Merrill's throat without even blinking the minute he discovered her to be consorting with a demon.

[Gervaise]

The story concerning the Arishok was the real story of DA2 and the climax was the end of Act 2. He was a worthy opponent and it was good that you could feel real regret that you ended up having to fight with someone where you could sympathise with their sentiments about the city, even if you didn't agree with their philosophy on life, and who remained true to their beliefs right up to the moment they died. He was an intelligent adversery (as opposed to crazy person who turned on own allies - Orsino and Meredith). With the Arishok you get to know him over the entire length of two acts and there are at least reasons to respect your enemy. I was also rather surprised when Fenris suggested that my mage Hawke should fight him in single combat - I wasn't expecting that and almost wondered if my friend wanted to get me killed but it was totally satisfying when I did triumph - no wonder I am a hero in Tevinter.

For me Act 3 was like an add-on and like other poster, I can quite happily abandon it now I have explored all the options. If you look at the number of main plot quest in Act 3 as opposed to the other two acts, you'll see what I mean. Mostly it was about tying up lose ends with your companions, like one prolonged epilogue. The opportunity to get to know either of your final adversaries is limited and even restricted to whose side you take.

The armour is totally believeable - it is protecting from slashes and down cuts that would disable his ability to fight. Most sword/axes use a slashing action - only foils, short swords and daggers are for thrusting and generally it should be possible for a good warrior to parry these away, particularly if the arms are protected by armour or shield. Although he dual wields, he does not fight like a rogue and it is clear that he is also used to combat that follows an honour code, not sneaking around, using decoys and back stabbing. This is why the rogue shadow/assassin is very effective against him because really it is an underhanded and cowardly way to fight - I didn't care so long as I won - but his culture just has no comprehension of this. He also would have little understanding of how to counter a really strong mage because they never give their mages the opportunity to show their full range of abilities or research new ways of fighting - the force mage is said to have been perfected by the mages of Kirkwall. The use of war paint has long been used by warrior cultures as a form of protection - think native Americans and the ancient celtic warriors. It is also used to symbolise status.

My only real argument with the writers is that they never adequately explain how they came to lose their most precious relic in the first place - it would surely be in the heart of their nation under strict guard. That and Isabella's ability to escape so quickly after being given to them is really illogical and lazy writing. Again, just another of those parts of DA2 that one has to simply ignore or go crazy with disbelief.

[AbsoluteApril]

That was a great post!

Gervaise wrote...
My only real argument with the writers is that they never adequately explain how they came to lose their most precious relic in the first place - it would surely be in the heart of their nation under strict guard.

I thought she did not steal it directly from the Qunari but rather from a group that was traveling to deliver it to them...
*looks up wiki* - "It turns out that Isabela stole the tome from the Orlesians, who were giving it back to the Qunari."


so - why did the Orlesians have it?

(maybe we will get to find out in the new DLC?)

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 08 octobre 2011 - 07:46 .

[Gervaise]

That what I meant really - what on earth were the Orlesians doing with it in the first place? It is not easy getting past the Qunari in their own territory - Sten tells an interesting tale of a Crow Assassin in DAO that illustrates this point. I can only think that when they invaded the mainland originally, the tome went with them as a sort of talisman and when the combined forces of Thedas drove them back, an added bonus for the Orlesians was finding the tome in the enemy camp. One wonders also what the Orlesians hoped to gain by giving it back? Perhaps the reason the Qunari haven't pressed ahead against Tevinter was the fact that they did not have the tome, which would also account for why the Tevinter was so anxious to get hold of it.
It would be nice to have this hypothesis confirmed though.

[esper]

Well judging from the rumours of Mark of Assassin the Orlesian have a thing for Qunari relics. Perhaps they stole them from Tevinter or perhaps they are the latest fashion hit. Birds in the hair can only be popular so many seasons.

[alex90c]

The Arishok was infected with the stupid just like the rest of Kirkwall, but I suppose at least he sounded cool.