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[Rifneno]

Wulfram wrote...

In fairness, the Qunari wouldn't kill the farmers for refusing to convert.  Just turn them into mindless slaves.

Is there any way in which that's not way the **** worse?

[Wulfram]

Rifneno wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

In fairness, the Qunari wouldn't kill the farmers for refusing to convert.  Just turn them into mindless slaves.

Is there any way in which that's not way the **** worse?

There isn't.

[Rifneno]

Wulfram wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

In fairness, the Qunari wouldn't kill the farmers for refusing to convert.  Just turn them into mindless slaves.

Is there any way in which that's not way the **** worse?

There isn't.

Ahh.  Well, glad we're on the same page then. 

[Xilizhra]

Well, if the mindlessness could be reversed somehow, it might be theoretically less bad than death, which can't be... though it's still quite bad.

[blothulfur]

A kossith (male or female) brought back into the fold would of course first need the cleansing re-education of the ben hassrath so that the filth of self pity, indulegence and idleness was washed from their skin and then with a mind once more brought to the true path, the words of the Qun echoing in their soul and a civilised language on their lips he or she would be given to the tamassran so that their role and purpose in the Qun might be revealed.

Of course this would be a game ending state for what adventure can be found in contentment and the freedom to pursue excellence.

Why would we punish simple farmers with qamek, that is a malefactors due so that they might yet serve the Qun and the victims of their crime rather than barbarically end their lives as the savage bas would. No, farmers refusing enlightenment would be driven forth or held until wiser heads than warriors are found to judge them so that they might not oppose the antaam through sabotage and their lands given to those whose eyes have finally been opened after the long slumber of ignorance.

Do not judge us by the moronic savagery that reigns in your feudal slave empires bas.

Modifié par blothulfur, 24 août 2011 - 01:42 .

[Xilizhra]

Do not judge us by the moronic savagery that reigns in your feudal slave empires bas.

The only difference is that your entire population is enslaved to a rigid, unchanging, unadaptable philosophy.

[Porenferser]

Because most of the people want to have the boring standart-protagonists, aka humans.

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if the mindlessness could be reversed somehow, it might be theoretically less bad than death, which can't be... though it's still quite bad.

It's most likely done with drugs.  I know I mentioned it to you in another thread, but for those that didn't see it, the vague description we do have of the qamek sounds extremely similar to the story of Clairius Narcisse.  I believe that tale is likely the inspiration for the qamek much like Countress Bathory was clearly the one behind the Countress of the Blackmarsh.  Though it's also possible that it's some sort of brain surgery.  And by surgery, I mean horrifying mutilation.  People are going to make lots of lobotomy comparisons like they do with tranquility, but while the effects weren't nearly as dramatic.  Speaking of tranquility, it could also be that... provided that such can be done on non-mages of course.  We don't know much of anything about the Rite of Tranquility.

Anyway it's actually far worse.  They suffer terribly while being forced to benefit their tormentors.  That a theoretical possibility for escape and recovery exists doesn't mean it outweighs the other negatives.  Especially since, as mindless slaves, they wouldn't even be trying to take advantage of it.

[Urzon]

It is hard to tell what the Qun is really like. We so far have only seen their military forces. That and most military branches of countries are usually the more conservative types of people, since they have to be strict and focused for combat and survival. I'll withhold my full opinion of the Qun until i either see one of the other leaders or a big city.

Though, it would be interesting to play as a tal-vashoth. Maybe, a run away female wanting to be a warrior, or a mage that just doesn't like the whole shock collar idea.

[blothulfur]

The Qun is constantly shifting and changing like the mighty ocean as new wisdom is found and the words of Koslun are argued over by the sailors of that expanse, we give unto our people roles in order that they might adapt and excel but how they pursue their path to enlightenment is their affair so long as it contributes to the greater good for unlike the bas we are free of the leash of weak magisters who do the bidding of foul demons and inbred kings who call upon the divine right of a non existent god to enforce their authority.

Cast off your shackles and biases bas, there is no maker and no nobility there is only the Qun and together we may yet forge paradise through its teachings.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

Do not judge us by the moronic savagery that reigns in your feudal slave empires bas.

The only difference is that your entire population is enslaved to a rigid, unchanging, unadaptable philosophy.

The Qun changes and adapts when it needs to...

[Xilizhra]

blothulfur wrote...

The Qun is constantly shifting and changing like the mighty ocean as new wisdom is found and the words of Koslun are argued over by the sailors of that expanse, we give unto our people roles in order that they might adapt and excel but how they pursue their path to enlightenment is their affair so long as it contributes to the greater good for unlike the bas we are free of the leash of weak magisters who do the bidding of foul demons and inbred kings who call upon the divine right of a non existent god to enforce their authority.

Cast off your shackles and biases bas, there is no maker and no nobility there is only the Qun and together we may yet forge paradise through its teachings.

Is using more than one sentence to get a concept across forbidden by the Qun or something?

Regardless, I find it highly amusing that your "roles" would prevent, say, Aveline from fighting despite the fact that it's her clearest aptitude. Somewhat less amusing everything you do with mages... though it becomes amusing again when it becomes clear that you have no idea how magic works or anything to do with it, for all your vaunted technological superiority. The Qun only allows knowledge of half the world, and you can never achieve enlightenment that way.

[Ghost1041]

blothulfur wrote...

The Qun is constantly shifting and changing like the mighty ocean as new wisdom is found and the words of Koslun are argued over by the sailors of that expanse, we give unto our people roles in order that they might adapt and excel but how they pursue their path to enlightenment is their affair so long as it contributes to the greater good for unlike the bas we are free of the leash of weak magisters who do the bidding of foul demons and inbred kings who call upon the divine right of a non existent god to enforce their authority.

Cast off your shackles and biases bas, there is no maker and no nobility there is only the Qun and together we may yet forge paradise through its teachings.

you're making the Tevinter in me twich. Twichty mages aren't good to be around

[blothulfur]

The permutations of your doggerel are somewhat of an enigma when I compare them to the clean and elegant intonations of the qunari but it has been said that I have achieved some small measure of proficiency with them, however I will concede that my grasp of the bas tongue is not perfect.

As for your statement that half the world is composed of dangerous beasts and that our leashing of the poor few who are stricken with this curse is ignorant, I simply refute such nonsense. The lyrium touched are a miniscule minority and only when they are brought into the service of the Qun and serve to turn the greatest weapon of the beast empire of Tevinter against its weilders do they stand the chance of redemption.

The Qun is all.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

blothulfur wrote...

The Qun is constantly shifting and changing like the mighty ocean as new wisdom is found and the words of Koslun are argued over by the sailors of that expanse, we give unto our people roles in order that they might adapt and excel but how they pursue their path to enlightenment is their affair so long as it contributes to the greater good for unlike the bas we are free of the leash of weak magisters who do the bidding of foul demons and inbred kings who call upon the divine right of a non existent god to enforce their authority.

Cast off your shackles and biases bas, there is no maker and no nobility there is only the Qun and together we may yet forge paradise through its teachings.

Is using more than one sentence to get a concept across forbidden by the Qun or something?

Regardless, I find it highly amusing that your "roles" would prevent, say, Aveline from fighting despite the fact that it's her clearest aptitude. Somewhat less amusing everything you do with mages... though it becomes amusing again when it becomes clear that you have no idea how magic works or anything to do with it, for all your vaunted technological superiority. The Qun only allows knowledge of half the world, and you can never achieve enlightenment that way.

Aveline got a strong sense of justice, the Qunari would probably have placed her in some sort of legislatory or law enforcement role. She wouldn't be in the army though. And apparently the Qunari got a far more advanced view on magic than even the Thedasians do. At least the "Magic is dangerous and contagious. Something even your Templars don't fully grasp" line, seems to imply as much.

[Xilizhra]

As for your statement that half the world is composed of dangerous beasts and that our leashing of the poor few who are stricken with this curse is ignorant, I simply refute such nonsense. The lyrium touched are a miniscule minority and only when they are brought into the service of the Qun and serve to turn the greatest weapon of the beast empire of Tevinter against its weilders do they stand the chance of redemption.

You misunderstand. The Fade is half the world, and your comprehension of it, or of mages, is utterly nil. You continuously fail to comprehend the world as it is, rather than your fantasy utopia.

Aveline got a strong sense of justice, the Qunari would probably have placed her in some sort of legislatory or law enforcement role. She wouldn't be in the army though. And apparently the Qunari got a far more advanced view on magic than even the Thedasians do.

That assumes that women are allowed in the Ben-Hassrath, and that's also ignoring people like Cauthrien.

And apparently the Qunari got a far more advanced view on magic than even the Thedasians do. At least the "Magic is dangerous and contagious. Something even your Templars don't fully grasp" line, seems to imply as much.

They think they do, but yet got their asses handed to them by the Circle in the New Exalted Marches (i.e. the only good Exalted Marches).

[EmperorSahlertz]

They did. And now they've trained their mages to be as good, or even better than Circle mages. This serves to prove both that the Qun adapts, and that they understand magic.

[Xilizhra]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They did. And now they've trained their mages to be as good, or even better than Circle mages. This serves to prove both that the Qun adapts, and that they understand magic.

And the evidence for this is where?

[blothulfur]

The fade is a parasitic and bloated leech feeding off the blood and souls of those cursed few who foolishly allow it, and one day we shall either conquer this other world or sever the last tendril with which it sucks and slurps at the weak and the damned. It is not part of this world.

Women can bear children, they are precious and maintain the finest bloodlines and traits of the qunari nation. To risk them in battle is a strategic blunder, one does not throw away the hope of tomorrow so that a few may be content today.

We fought the massed armies of all your nations to a standstill and only withdrew when the butchery you perpetrated on your own kind who had awoken to enlightenment became too much to bear. The true barbaric face of the bas was revealed that day as your warriors cut down the aged, the infirm, women and children while self righteously professing that they did a non existent gods work.

Modifié par blothulfur, 24 août 2011 - 04:35 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They did. And now they've trained their mages to be as good, or even better than Circle mages. This serves to prove both that the Qun adapts, and that they understand magic.

And the evidence for this is where?

Which? That the Qun adapts or taht their mages' skilsl has improved?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They did. And now they've trained their mages to be as good, or even better than Circle mages. This serves to prove both that the Qun adapts, and that they understand magic.

And the evidence for this is where?

History of Kirkwall Chapter 3: "The attack on Starkhaven eventually failed, but Kirkwall was attacked in
a daring night raid where the Qunari used their leashed saarebas mages in an unprecedented display of sorcery."

Whether they changed their practises is unknown, but they clearly realized their potential military use eventually. And they made liberal use of their Sarebaas in the game (without any tactics involved, but I digress).


And I want to play a Tevinter magister badly.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 août 2011 - 04:52 .

[Harid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

They did. And now they've trained their mages to be as good, or even better than Circle mages. This serves to prove both that the Qun adapts, and that they understand magic.

And the evidence for this is where?

History of Kirkwall Chapter 3: "The attack on Starkhaven eventually failed, but Kirkwall was attacked in
a daring night raid where the Qunari used their leashed saarebas mages in an unprecedented display of sorcery."

Whether they changed their practises is unknown, but they clearly realized their potential military use eventually. And they made liberal use of their Sarebaas in the game (without any tactics involved, but I digress).


And I want to play a Tevinter magister badly.

Why?  It'll be exactly the same as playing a Dwarven Noble, but with magic, they employ the same system as Orzammarr because Bioware is unoriginal.

Qunari not better utilizing mages goes directly against their philosophy of not wasting anything. . .which is why I am infinately more interested in the Qun than anything Tevinter.

If I want to play a Sith I'll play KoToR 2 again.

Can someone. . .back up this mindless slave thing?

I can't recall anyone following the Qun being mindless.  Ever.  We don't even understand their indocrtination process because we've never been to Par Vollen.  Mindless slaves would not allow Tal Vashoth to exist.  I know you people use hyperbole and oversimplify arguments ad nauseum around here, but I would like some proof.

Modifié par Harid, 24 août 2011 - 05:01 .

[Xilizhra]

The fade is a parasitic and bloated leech feeding off the blood and souls of those cursed few who foolishly allow it, and one day we shall either conquer this other world or sever the last tendril with which it sucks and slurps at the weak and the damned.

Thus destroying the minds of the entire world, which... actually, that fits the Qun pretty well.

Women can bear children, they are precious and maintain the finest bloodlines and traits of the qunari nation. To risk them in battle is a strategic blunder, one does not throw away the hope of tomorrow so that a few may be content today.

Only a problem when your population itself is endangered, which according to the bloated tales you spin of your military prowess, it isn't.

We fought the massed armies of all your nations to a standstill and only withdrew when the butchery you perpetrated on your own kind who had awoken to enlightenment became too much to bear. The true barbaric face of the bas was revealed that day as your warriors cut down the aged, the infirm, women and children while self righteously professing that they did a non existent gods work.

You want to speak to me about butchery?
I've done more for the qunari than any others I've known. I tracked your delegates, found your dead patrol, killed the zealots stirring up problems for you, exposed your thief, supported the viddathari... and my reward is for you to sack my city and kill its leaders including the one supporting me and also trying to appease you. Once, I sympathized with Saemus' view that the qunari weren't mindless monsters. Now... I'm no longer so certain.

[Harid]

Is this real life?

[KenKenpachi]

Harid wrote...

Is this real life?

No one ever told you some RPers, are a wee bit insane?