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[Imrahil_]

redBadger14 wrote...
I'd like to see you try to do anything it takes to make DLC like BioWare makes. Or anything games.

Dragion Age Nexus alone has like 1000 equipment, texture, quest, bugfix, & location MOD's.  I dunno.  Your ability to be in awe of such things may be greater than mine.

Computer programming alone proves how difficult this industry is. And those of you who have programmed before, you know what I am talking about.

Most difficult years of my schooling thats for sure.

Or you just may not be cut out for this.  Hundreds, thousands, probably millions of people can do it.  You can't.  It's nothing to be ashamed of, you may just need to seek out a different career.

Modifié par Imrahil_, 24 août 2011 - 04:02 .

[redBadger14]

Imrahil_ wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Imrahil_ wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
How is it a step back? It's just filler DLC...

That is seriously *the* fastest I've ever seen someone answer their own question.  Like, a record, probably.

In one way? Sure. Maybe.

But yet again I'll bring up Mass Effect 2. BioWare released "filler" DLC like the Aegis Pack and the Tesla Gun, yet no one criticised them. No one thought the DLC's were "a step back." They were what they were, and that is DLC that keeps you occupied to a certain extent until the next huge, story-driven DLC can be released.

Sounds like people should have criticized.  Wouldn't know.  Didn't play Mass Effect.  Just because Mass Effect people accept filler DLC's doesn't mean Dragon Age people should.

Seems a strange argument to me: "These other players of this different game thought Item Packs were good, quality DLC's, so Dragon Age players should, too!"  Or am I misunderstanding your point?

Why do you think some people order appetizers before their main course? So they have something to eat while the likely wait a while for their main course to be cooked and brought out. Simple as that.

In this case, though, it's not appetizers.  It's different colored napkins.  Maybe a slightly sharper knife.  A more colorful floral arrangement in the middle of the table.  Nothng that affects the actual meal.  Just... what's the word?  Oh, right.  Filler.

You do bring up a good point. I don't think you're misunderstanding my point. You haven't played Mass Effect 2 so you obviously wouldnt be a part of that auidence. I think we all know though that Dragon Age 2 took some elements from Mass Effect 2. Hence, the similar DLC release pattern emerges. But I digress.

Mass Effect 2 received critical acclaim from all around. Its DLC schedule probably didnt matter to many, as we knew the BioWare team behind ME2 was cooking up good DLC that would be released. So, if we got a filler ME2 DLC such as the Aegis Pack, people just embraced it and said "something to add to this amazing game at least."

Dragon Age 2 on the other hand received highly mixed reviews from critics and players, with critics leaning toward mediocre reviews and players just being all over the place. I think this as a result made a lot of people expect much more from the BioWare team behind DA2, and less tolerant to DLC's like the two item packs. People wanted and expected Legacy to be a good story DLC, and BioWare delivered, instiling some hope within the player community. We're still expecting BioWare to dish out these caliber DLC's and more, and I think DLC's such as item packs irk some people the wrong way, because they arent getting a major improvement to a game they feel needs the improvement.

In short, Mass Effect 2's success and acclaim made most people tolerant of whatever DLC was thrown at us, simply because we trusted that BioWare team to deliver something amazing. Dragon Age 2's lack of universal praise and consent over an underdeveloped game led players to expect better from the BioWare team heading DA2, and made them less tolerant of DLC's that wouldn't necessarily improve the game at all. The players want that meaty Legacy DLC that'll make them pick up the game again, not the snack bag Item Packs that are good but dont last very long.

And as to the metaphor; it can be looked at through both ways. To each his own?

[redBadger14]

Imrahil_ wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...
I'd like to see you try to do anything it takes to make DLC like BioWare makes. Or anything games.

Dragion Age Nexus alone has like 1000 equipment, texture, quest, bugfix, & location MOD's.  I dunno.  Your ability to be in awe of such things may be greater than mine.

Computer programming alone proves how difficult this industry is. And those of you who have programmed before, you know what I am talking about.

Most difficult years of my schooling thats for sure.

Or you just may not be cut out for this.  Hundreds, thousands, probably millions of people can do it.  You can't.  It's nothing to be ashamed of, you may just need to seek out a different career.

You go from making an intelligent post to just plain looking like an ass. Okay. Lets see here.

There are many sites, like Dragon Age Nexus, that also offer thousands of little downloadable additions to your PC game. This is no surprise, and I certainly wasnt addressing the modding community. Sure, there are some aspects to the modding community and those who reskin or remodel that are difficult, but they pale in comparison to actually making a video game from scratch using a team of just over 100 people on average. Well, except for Call of Duty. But really, dont be stubborn about such things.

As to the second comment, I'm sure millions of people across the world can program, and at varying skills. I must be totally insane, but I have no clue where you pulled "I cant program" from my post. I most certainly can program. I have 4 years of programming experience. Your ignorance to the whole aspect of computer programming quite possibly shows you may have no clue how to program yourself, or have even seen a page of in-depth coding.**

I, however, program in my spare time. I pursue a wholly different career that doesnt involve computer programming knowledge. I know how to program very well, but its not my main path in life at this time. In the future? Maybe.

In my 4 years of programming, nothing has challenged me more. So please stop acting like such things are a cakewalk. Because they simply arent.

**Note I said "quite possibly" and "may have," meaning I dont know whether you can actually program or not, nor do I know your level of experience, but that your statements have caused me to seriously doubt you can actually perform the aforementioned.

[Morroian]

redBadger14 wrote...

In short, Mass Effect 2's success and acclaim made most people tolerant of whatever DLC was thrown at us, simply because we trusted that BioWare team to deliver something amazing. Dragon Age 2's lack of universal praise and consent over an underdeveloped game led players to expect better from the BioWare team heading DA2, and made them less tolerant of DLC's that wouldn't necessarily improve the game at all. The players want that meaty Legacy DLC that'll make them pick up the game again, not the snack bag Item Packs that are good but dont last very long.

They've said more is on the way and that something will be announced at PAX so its not like this item pack has been done in a vacuum. In fact ISTM that the launch of the item pack has been very low key. 

[Teddie Sage]

Basically, everyone but Hawke will have a total of 4 DLC accessories made for them by the end of the DA2 DLCs. We can expect two more Item DLC with story DLCs and probably an expansion along the way.

Edit: In other words, by the end of Dragon Age II's dlcs. Only the dlc level-up items will matter. The rest will be trash. Hopefully, they will do something about it in the expansion AND Dragon Age III.

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 24 août 2011 - 07:12 .

[Archaven]

yay. go on and continue filling the filthy and greedy pockets of your favorite developers that put no effort in their games. congrats guys.

[Donmega88]

It's still not up on PSN yet.

Is it available for anyone else in the EU?

[redBadger14]

@Archaven: It's idiots like you that make me lose faith in this community on BSN day after day. If you don't have anything constructive to post, just don't bother at all.

@Donmega88: It's up on XBL, I think it's up on PC. Doesn't surprise me that PSN is late though. Sorry to hear you're having difficulties. May be just PSN itself though, they always take forever to upload content =/

[Teddie Sage]

A total of 20$ or so for four item DLCs won't kill anyone, Archaven.

@Red: I agree with you. The bashing is hardcore and tedious.

[redBadger14]

Teddie Sage wrote...

A total of 20$ or so for four item DLCs won't kill anyone, Archaven.

@Red: I agree with you. The bashing is hardcore and tedious.

Or $10 for both bundles. Bargain if you ask me.

[Sakatox]

I'd rather drink acid than touch any of these item packs.

The reason there isn't a toolset is THIS and that they don't want things appearing, like how much was cut...

[blaidfiste]

Mage
 

Warrior
  

Rogue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8HxRoE9smw

Modifié par blaidfiste, 24 août 2011 - 09:36 .

[redBadger14]

Sakatox wrote...

I'd rather drink acid than touch any of these item packs.

The reason there isn't a toolset is THIS and that they don't want things appearing, like how much was cut...

This makes absolutely no sense at all. I also believe I mentioned that Xbox 360 and PS3 users don't even have liberties to toolsets. But I'm sure you put as much thought into that as you did your post.

[redBadger14]

blaidfiste wrote...

Mage
 

Warrior
  

Rogue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8HxRoE9smw

Thank you for these. Much appreciated.

[Morroian]

I've only used the rogue items and the mage staff so far. The bow is fantastic, its immediately become my go to bow for human enemies. The Arms of Mac Tir useful in that they offer more protection than other rogue gear although the stats bonuses are less. The mage staff is bizarre, the animals have to be nugs, mummified I guess, anyway at least its different.

[LordKinoda]

Item packs should be free. It takes next to no effort to create them, especially for professional developers. Won't be getting this one. Glad I own the PC version, to take advantage of unique items for free. You should really consider buying games like these on PC Badger, it's totally worth it.

[Sakatox]

redBadger14 wrote...

Sakatox wrote...

I'd rather drink acid than touch any of these item packs.

The reason there isn't a toolset is THIS and that they don't want things appearing, like how much was cut...

This makes absolutely no sense at all. I also believe I mentioned that Xbox 360 and PS3 users don't even have liberties to toolsets. But I'm sure you put as much thought into that as you did your post.

Makes absolutely no sense?
I'm pretty sure you didn't think this through, sonny.

>Ps3 and Xbricks does not have access to toolsets
True, the only advantage of PCs were blown up when they released no toolsets. They just moved the focus towards a DLC approach where everyone and every item will be dlc.

How isn't it obvious this is the reason there is no toolset, among other things?
Why bother paying x amount of money when modders could give so much more for FREE?
Why not release a toolset anyway? Oh i know why, leftover content. Even origins had some, but okay, i make no sense.

Enjoy your ignorance and eat up whatever this hooknosed company is... producing.

[Ainmarh]

Don't want a product -- don't buy it. Can't afford a product -- don't buy it.

Just stop crying about how you won't buy it; it is really annoying.

[Morroian]

LordKinoda wrote...

Item packs should be free. It takes next to no effort to create them, especially for professional developers.

So don't buy it then, why complain, for the PC there's plenty of modded equipment available so0 its not like we're wantingfor choice.

[sonoko]

After seeing the new mage staff I wish Bioware designers made something more traditional then this ridiculous stick with two dead rats. As if Malcolm's staff from previous DLC wasn't bizzare enough...

[berelinde]

Morroian wrote...

LordKinoda wrote...

Item packs should be free. It takes next to no effort to create them, especially for professional developers.

So don't buy it then, why complain, for the PC there's plenty of modded equipment available so0 its not like we're wantingfor choice.

It's poor self-control. The first item pack was decent. It would stand to reason that the second set would be pretty good, too. After all, you're paying $5 for this stuff.

Unfortunatley, you don't get to see the stuff before you buy it. You're shown a couple of vague, blurry images and that's it. Could be anything. But you still want to be the first on your block to have the sweet gear, so you plunk down your $5 and find that it's the same gear as the previous DLC (Fenris's stuff is still massivly overpowered compared to everone else's, Anders's gear still applies trivial bonuses to stuff he's already good at while ignoring areas that could use some improvement. Etc.), just in different item slots. As for the PC gear, it's pretty much the same thing as the last DLC, too, except that the the art department made the models the same day somebody brought in the special brownies. It's supposed to be ancient Ferelden. Kinda wish it was more "Riders of Rohan" and less "Conan the Barbarian."

And with the second item pack, the low level gear and the high level gear shares the same models. Ugh.

Don't even get me started on the staff.

So, in the future, I will definitely wait until I see clear and detailed screenshots of the gear and the stats before I buy. But right now, I'm out $5. I do not forsee using much of anything in that pack. Except that I might get that mod that removes restrictions on follower gear and redistribute Fenris's stuff. He has too many toys.

And yes, I do plan to spend at least a little time today sketching out some ideas so I'm not just criticizing without offering suggestions for improvement.

[Vicious]

First set was pretty cool. Second set was disgustingly lazy. Same models? Why the hell not just make ONE and have it level up with you? Dumb.

Pretty much everything on Dragon Age Nexus for DA2 is better. including the reskins.

Modifié par Vicious, 25 août 2011 - 04:26 .

[Sir Edric]

I kinda liked the 'Barbarian' theme they had this time. Though the mages staff looked ridiculous...

[redBadger14]

LordKinoda wrote...

Item packs should be free. It takes next to no effort to create them, especially for professional developers. Won't be getting this one. Glad I own the PC version, to take advantage of unique items for free. You should really consider buying games like these on PC Badger, it's totally worth it.

I know. I have many games on the PC as it is, and its a huge advantage to be able to download and use all the mods and such you can for absolutely no price.

Unfortunately, tis Xbox 360 and I have to settle. Besides, 400 Microsoft Points ($5) is not hard for me to come by at all.

[redBadger14]

Sakatox wrote...

redBadger14 wrote...

Sakatox wrote...

I'd rather drink acid than touch any of these item packs.

The reason there isn't a toolset is THIS and that they don't want things appearing, like how much was cut...

This makes absolutely no sense at all. I also believe I mentioned that Xbox 360 and PS3 users don't even have liberties to toolsets. But I'm sure you put as much thought into that as you did your post.

Makes absolutely no sense?
I'm pretty sure you didn't think this through, sonny.

>Ps3 and Xbricks does not have access to toolsets
True, the only advantage of PCs were blown up when they released no toolsets. They just moved the focus towards a DLC approach where everyone and every item will be dlc.

How isn't it obvious this is the reason there is no toolset, among other things?
Why bother paying x amount of money when modders could give so much more for FREE?
Why not release a toolset anyway? Oh i know why, leftover content. Even origins had some, but okay, i make no sense.

Enjoy your ignorance and eat up whatever this hooknosed company is... producing.

Like my previous post, I totally know how much of an advantage the PC community has over console gaming. And again, since I have the game for 360, I have to settle for the $5 item pack. Its not making a huge dent in my wallet, but if I had the option of getting the item pack for free on the PC, then I most certainly would. Do not doubt that for a second.

For the console players, this item pack and the one before it are a bargain at $5. For PC though I totally understand why its a nuisance.