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[Ferretinabun]

I'm not sure if this is a request for help as much as a moan.

I've just spent OVER AN HOUR on the duel with the Arishok - and I don't mean I kept dying and reloaded, that was one single try. I was a 2H warrior so thought I could take a few blows, but nope. A single attack from teh arishok was enough to wipe out 80% of my health - especially since his attacks were unavoidable!! Took me right back to DA:O.
The only answer was to kite obscenely. Run around the two pillars waiting for him to do the rush charge past me and then pull off a single heavy attack while he had his back to me. It was so buttock-numbingly tedious I honestly think I'm traumatised.
This CAN'T be what the developers had in mind when it came to duelling the Arishok, surely? Am I missing something or is this duel all but impossible for a warrior (is it any better for mages/rogues)?

[cJohnOne]

What difficulty setting are you on? You can choose and do the group battle if you want!

[catofnine]

I hate this fight on a 2hdr warrior.  It is a stultifying piece crap of a fight on NM.

Learned the basic footwork and boss abilities from Sabresandiego's video.  You'll not want to go toe to toe with the Arishok, but I'm not a fan of kiting him around the pillars strat.  I was using AreleX's Zerk/Vanguard build at the time, but I also took the imp devour talent for an extra stun and went into the fight with stun grenades just to get some extra hits on the Arishok. 

Modifié par catofnine, 23 août 2011 - 10:33 .

[Ferretinabun]

Okay, I had it on Hard and totally forgot about that!! Now I feel like a total Norris! *sigh*

[Neminea]

My first playthrough was on a warrior and I had the same problem, then when i got there with my mage I got worried since the mage can take even less punishment. Turns out it was freakishly easy on a mage o.O

[Harid]

It's kind of funny that Warrior, the tank class, has the hardest time with a duel of all things in this game.

I think I downed him on rogue in under ten seconds. Bioware really needed to balance this better for warriors.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Having played as all three classes, warrior was definitely the most annoying in this fight. I remember relying on grenades, potions and running the hell away to win, because the Arishok was simply causing too much damage for a classic mano a mano.

But it was the same with the Loghain duel. Warrior had the hardest/longest time in that fight too. It's like they're not allowed to be cool in solo fights or something.

[Harid]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Having played as all three classes, warrior was definitely the most annoying in this fight. I remember relying on grenades, potions and running the hell away to win, because the Arishok was simply causing too much damage for a classic mano a mano.

But it was the same with the Loghain duel. Warrior had the hardest/longest time in that fight too. It's like they're not allowed to be cool in solo fights or something.

My dual wield Warrior curb stomped Loghain faster than my rogue did, and my rogue was my bread and butter in DA:O.  Punisher alone almost one (well four) shot him.

I could imagine it being harder for 2h or sword and board warriors in Origins, but they both sucked balls in Origins so that was to be expected.

Modifié par Harid, 24 août 2011 - 03:37 .

[mr_afk]

it's pretty easy with a S&S warrior using desdemona's. a few spike damage abilities and one dead arishok.

the problem with 2H warriors is that they are mainly centred on group combat; they don't have the same spike damage of S&S and rogues and rely heavily on speed buffs to deal lots of damage. without haste and enemies to kill you can only get barrage; i.e +50% speed rather than 130-180+%

not enough dps means a degree of kiting will be most likely necessary. using pommel strike and combustion grenades could help get in extra hits. if youre still having problems i could find an old save and figure out a reliable method to kill the arishok for you

[Ferretinabun]

Thanks for the offer, mr-afk, but I don't think I'll go near him again with my 2H. If I feel the need for another 2H runthrough I think I'll just hand over Izzie and be done with it. She's good, but she's not THAT good. As for the Arishok, I think I'll take a rogue/mage geared specifically to kick his butt. Man that'll be cathartic!

[Joulurotta]

Actully as 2h warrior you only need high strength.. on my 1st play through whit 2h warrior arishok actully only hitted me once in whole battle becouse every hit he backed down a bit just of reason his fortitude score couldnt handle all that force hits made.

[mr_afk]

what difficulty was that on? unless you've encountered the righteous strike bug you probably shouldn't be triggering force effects unless you're a S&S or DW using nature weapons - and only then when using special abilities..

Anyway, I gave it a whirl and I'm not completely happy with it yet but here's the general idea of how you should fight him with a 2H:


Basically instead of running away to kite him you just need to run around to his back. This works quite well that you can pretty much whittle him down to death eventually. I'm still polishing up the chain-stun + damage route to stop him using potions and thus finishing this fight a lot faster. I think templar talents (silence) can also stop him so I might try that instead of reaver (not really intending on using blood frenzy). But devour is one of the few guaranteed stuns.

[Joulurotta]

Well it were my 1st run through so it were on normal difficult and dunno about that bug you sayed and not sure if you refer to that templar tree skill then it couldnt be that becouse i were reaver/berserker speciality at the moment.

[andraip]

as mr_afk said you can avoid every attack of him if you get your timing right running around him.

But you can always choose not to duel him, the group fight is a lot easier then the duel if you are a 2H warrior.

[Ferretinabun]

Devour stuns? I've got that and never noticed it do that. I'm sure I even used it on the Arishok a few times...

[brain_damage]

With a mage, it's freakishly easy, especially if you're an elemental/force mage(you know, the BEST kind of mage). You slow him and stun him frequently(gravitic ring/pull of the Abyss and winter's grasp) and then cause ridiculously high amounts of damage on him with...well, every other spell you've got. Not sure if I ever took any damage while fighting him this way(normal difficulty)

[MAIDENHEAD 666]

I gave up on the duel with him, reloaded and went the everyone fights route as a dual weapon rogue on casual difficulty. I never use potions, it's ridiculous that someone can stop to have a drink in the middle of a fight.
Against Loghain my dual weapon Rogue won without using any potions on hard difficulty.
Just another example of why DA2 is so disappointing.

[Elhanan]

heh! My 2H had skipped a step somewhere along the way, failed to get the duel, and had to clear the entire room. So while this was going on, Aveline tied him up until I could make it there with Varric and Merrill aiding in removing the grunts.

Gotta love versatility!

[thendcomes]

All his attacks are easily avoidable, like every other melee enemy in the game. Sidestep and attack, sidestep and attack.

[Ferretinabun]

MAIDENHEAD 666 wrote...

... I never use potions, it's ridiculous that someone can stop to have a drink in the middle of a fight...

Heh. It's always interesting to hear what people are and aren't willing to accept from a world involving dragons and mages slinging fireballs.

Personally the various teleporting abilities of the rogue always strain at my credulity. And the fact that Merrill has a different accent to the rest of her clan.

[catofnine]

Ferretinabun wrote...

Devour stuns? I've got that and never noticed it do that. I'm sure I even used it on the Arishok a few times...

If you upgrade Devour by taking the Voracious talent, yes.

[Arthur Cousland]

In Origins, you can just pump dexterity for high defense to solo him with a warrior/rogue with little trouble. Mages have their glyphs, cone of cold, etc. Soloing Loghain on nightmare with taking little to no damage wasn't too hard to do. DA2 is a whole different story, unless you can kill enemies before they can damage you too much.

There's no need to give Isabella to the Arishok when you can do the party battle.

[mr_afk]

if the fight gets too annoying try switching to S&S. it's cathartic.

Modifié par mr_afk, 24 août 2011 - 07:33 .

[catofnine]

mr_afk wrote...

if the fight gets too annoying try switching to S&S. it's cathartic.

Yehhh.  Gosh, look at all those green numbers.  I don't understand why Bioware dropped yet another item pack with no elemental weapons for 2hdr warriors.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Harid wrote...

My dual wield Warrior curb stomped Loghain faster than my rogue did, and my rogue was my bread and butter in DA:O.  Punisher alone almost one (well four) shot him.

I plain forgot warriors could dual wield in Origins (probably because I never made a DW warrior). But yeah, I could easily see this one winning with Punisher. Perk of the skill tree.