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[Thori]

Melca36 wrote...

Thori wrote...

See, theres a bug with imported file, where even if I left with Morrigan through the mirror , Teagan would mention that King Alistair should go back to Ferelden and that the Hero of Ferelden should by now be in Denerim. How could Warden be in Denerim 10 years after the Blight when he left with Morrigan?

They have said countless times that Witchhunt is NOT Canon and should not be taken as such.

If it's not canon doesn't mean it didn't happen. My Warden went with Morrigan through that damned Mirror. And it should stay that way. If I chose Morrigan to be my LI he stays with her. If Hawke chose Isabella, he stays with her. Changing that gonna ****** off a lot people.

[Leoroc]

Melca36 wrote...

Thori wrote...

See, theres a bug with imported file, where even if I left with Morrigan through the mirror , Teagan would mention that King Alistair should go back to Ferelden and that the Hero of Ferelden should by now be in Denerim. How could Warden be in Denerim 10 years after the Blight when he left with Morrigan?

They have said countless times that Witchhunt is NOT Canon and should not be taken as such.

I haven't seen that said ever anywhere.

Anyway, Witch Hunt could have taken place after the meeting with Alistar/Teagon and the Warden disappeared by the time of Varic actually telling the story (which is 3 years after act 3. Intro-Act 1 is one year, then 3 between 1 and 2, three more between 2 and 3, and three more by the time Varic is telling Cassandra the tale)

[Thori]

Well, it IS actually said that Witch Hunt is taking place 2,5 years after the battle of Denerim. So, Warden kinda disappeared while Hawke was filling his treasury.

[Melca36]

Thori wrote...

Well, it IS actually said that Witch Hunt is taking place 2,5 years after the battle of Denerim. So, Warden kinda disappeared while Hawke was filling his treasury.

Its not Canon if you have a female Warden though.  There have also been countless posts on how we should not take Witchhunt verbatum as truth.  

Modifié par Melca36, 30 août 2011 - 09:45 .

[Melca36]

Leoroc wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Thori wrote...

See, theres a bug with imported file, where even if I left with Morrigan through the mirror , Teagan would mention that King Alistair should go back to Ferelden and that the Hero of Ferelden should by now be in Denerim. How could Warden be in Denerim 10 years after the Blight when he left with Morrigan?

They have said countless times that Witchhunt is NOT Canon and should not be taken as such.

I haven't seen that said ever anywhere.

Anyway, Witch Hunt could have taken place after the meeting with Alistar/Teagon and the Warden disappeared by the time of Varic actually telling the story (which is 3 years after act 3. Intro-Act 1 is one year, then 3 between 1 and 2, three more between 2 and 3, and three more by the time Varic is telling Cassandra the tale)

Its also been posted not to take those epilogues so seriously and that they should be considered "rumors"

[dheer]

Melca36 wrote...

Thori wrote...
Well, it IS actually said that Witch Hunt is taking place 2,5 years after the battle of Denerim. So, Warden kinda disappeared while Hawke was filling his treasury.

Its not Canon if you have a female Warden though.  There have also been countless posts on how we should not take Witchhunt verbatum as truth.  

What? I've never seen this. I've read that the Dark Ritual isn't canon, sure, but not that witch hunt didn't happen.

[Thori]

OK, people! Witch Hunt IS canon! What ISN'T canon is why do you hunt the witch. If you had an OGB, if you hadn't , if you are female. Even if you hate her and never were friend with her, you hunt her cause she betrayed you on the eve of Final battle. So Witch hunt is canon, what you do with it is not.

[Hayes1987]

how do u know?

[Melca36]

I distinctly remember a post saying non of the DLC was canon and most were done as experiments.

We had our first taste of the Varterral and the Harvester in those dlcs and they were used in DA:2.

Think about it. There is a reason they said they were making the DLC for DA:2 more meaty and thats because the DLC for Origins did not mean anything.

Modifié par Melca36, 30 août 2011 - 11:10 .

[Finked]

Going through the Eluvian with Morrigan isn't canon, just like the the Dark Ritual or the Ultimate Sacrifice isn't canon, because as the devs have said "there is no canon" (although you can argue this point). What is canon, I would assume, is that Morrigan went through the Eluvian one way or another...you know, the whole point of Witch Hunt. Just because the Warden going through the Eluvian isn't the set-in-stone outcome, doesn't mean it won't be acknowledged in the future for people that chose to do it.

[Hayes1987]

but surely WH did. At least I hope so

[Sidney]

Melca36 wrote...

I distinctly remember a post saying non of the DLC was canon and most were done as experiments.

We had our first taste of the Varterral and the Harvester in those dlcs and they were used in DA:2.

Think about it. There is a reason they said they were making the DLC for DA:2 more meaty and thats because the DLC for Origins did not mean anything.

There was a lot of trash for sure and even something like GoA means nothing but Witch Hunt has to mean something.

[Thori]

They cannot simply toss it away like some failed experiment. Tons of people spent their money buying Witch Hunt DLC, and if they decide WH doesn't matter, i think they will encounter a very angry mob of fans!

[Mike3207]

Thori wrote...

They cannot simply toss it away like some failed experiment. Tons of people spent their money buying Witch Hunt DLC, and if they decide WH doesn't matter, i think they will encounter a very angry mob of fans!

It does matter, but it is not canon. You cannot decide it matters for all playthroughs. Let me explain what canon is and is not:

Canon is something that will happen in all playthroughs:

In DAO:

The 4 Treaty Quests
The Landsmeet
The Battle of Ostagar
The Battle of Denerim

IN DA2:

Hawke's Escape from Lothering
The Deep Roads Expedition
The Qunari Attack on Kirkwall
Anders blowing up the Chantry
The battle between Hawke and Meredith

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 30 août 2011 - 11:58 .

[Hayes1987]

Mike Smith wrote...

Thori wrote...

They cannot simply toss it away like some failed experiment. Tons of people spent their money buying Witch Hunt DLC, and if they decide WH doesn't matter, i think they will encounter a very angry mob of fans!

It does matter, but it is not canon. You cannot decide it matters for all playthroughs. Let me explain what canon is and is not:

Canon is something that will happen in all playthroughs:

In DAO:

The 4 Treaty Quests
The Landsmeet
The Battle of Ostagar
The Battle of Denerim

IN DA2:

Hawke's Escape from Lothering
The Deep Roads Expedition
The Qunari Attack on Kirkwall
Anders blowing up the Chantry
The battle between Hawke and Meredith

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

But the OGB situation as well as the decision made at the end of WH seem to be a big deal and will be a major impact on the world. Not too mention the architects survival/death will play a part. If those types of things aren't cannon..........your basically saying that non of that stuff matters? Maybe they have no plans for OGB or architect at all and they have no impact on events as I thought they would?

[Sidney]

Mike Smith wrote...

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

Sadly this is what makes the Warden coming back a no go. Mine did Awakenings and WH. You might finiesse some of the Awakenings stuff by not mentioning it but the ending of WH is pretty but a show stopper if you ignore that.

[Thori]

Mike Smith wrote...


It does matter, but it is not canon. You cannot decide it matters for all playthroughs. Let me explain what canon is and is not:

Canon is something that will happen in all playthroughs:

In DAO:

The 4 Treaty Quests
The Landsmeet
The Battle of Ostagar
The Battle of Denerim

IN DA2:

Hawke's Escape from Lothering
The Deep Roads Expedition
The Qunari Attack on Kirkwall
Anders blowing up the Chantry
The battle between Hawke and Meredith

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

Than, Legacy DLC also isn't canon?

[Mike3207]

Hayes1987 wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

Thori wrote...

They cannot simply toss it away like some failed experiment. Tons of people spent their money buying Witch Hunt DLC, and if they decide WH doesn't matter, i think they will encounter a very angry mob of fans!

It does matter, but it is not canon. You cannot decide it matters for all playthroughs. Let me explain what canon is and is not:

Canon is something that will happen in all playthroughs:

In DAO:

The 4 Treaty Quests
The Landsmeet
The Battle of Ostagar
The Battle of Denerim

IN DA2:

Hawke's Escape from Lothering
The Deep Roads Expedition
The Qunari Attack on Kirkwall
Anders blowing up the Chantry
The battle between Hawke and Meredith

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

But the OGB situation as well as the decision made at the end of WH seem to be a big deal and will be a major impact on the world. Not too mention the architects survival/death will play a part. If those types of things aren't cannon..........your basically saying that non of that stuff matters? Maybe they have no plans for OGB or architect at all and they have no impact on events as I thought they would?

It does matter and it will have an impact-for the people who chose to do it. The King Alistair Cameo mattered to the people to chose to make him him king-I did not. I imagine they will do the same for the people who chose to do the OGB path or architect. There were a number of events in DA2 that happened depending on what you did in Origins-I imagine they will do the same in any future DLC or DA3.

As to Legacy-i don't believe it's canon. Hawke and the Warden disappearing at the end of DA2 is canon, because it happens in all DA2 playthroughs. Not sure if he reappears-I magine it would be canon because his being gone was canon.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 31 août 2011 - 12:18 .

[Hayes1987]

That is what it seems like right Thori? This is not a happy discovery.

[Thori]

Unfortunately, Hayes, mate, no! Definitely not happy.
Next few years are gonna be a long ones i'm afraid. Or if EA decides to kill BW completely, they'll just give them another time limit. Either way, nothing is going to be resolved tomorrow.

[Mike3207]

If it makes you guys feel any better, Bioware can decide at any point to make things canon. You had the choice to kill Leliana in DA1, and at that point it was a choice and not canon. She does make an appearance in DA2 in all playthroughs, so it is now canon that Leliana survives. There's nothing preventing Bioware from making the OGB canon or anything else canon if it wants to.

Of course, the other side is-a lot of people will be unhappy if they make anything that is not currently canon that way. I would be unhappy if they made King Alistair canon instead of a cameo like he currently is. I also wouldn't be happy seeing the OGB, given my canon playthrough i turned down Morrigan and let her run off to Orlais. I don't have any control over what Bioware does though.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 31 août 2011 - 01:12 .

[Hayes1987]

That is actually making me feel much better about it! Thanks!

[AL-istaria]

In DA:O, killing the archdemon is also canon, although that's kind of a given. *g*

[Urazz]

Mike Smith wrote...

Thori wrote...

They cannot simply toss it away like some failed experiment. Tons of people spent their money buying Witch Hunt DLC, and if they decide WH doesn't matter, i think they will encounter a very angry mob of fans!

It does matter, but it is not canon. You cannot decide it matters for all playthroughs. Let me explain what canon is and is not:

Canon is something that will happen in all playthroughs:

In DAO:

The 4 Treaty Quests
The Landsmeet
The Battle of Ostagar
The Battle of Denerim

IN DA2:

Hawke's Escape from Lothering
The Deep Roads Expedition
The Qunari Attack on Kirkwall
Anders blowing up the Chantry
The battle between Hawke and Meredith

It's mostly main quest lines that are canon, anything that is DLC is not canon. Even the events in Awakening are not canon because I can choose to not participate in them. I assume any of the DLC events do not happen if I choose not to participate in them. Morrigan's offer of the Dark Ritual is not canon because she will not make the offer to all players. I assume any DLC you don't participate in never happens in that timeline. I never did WH, so I assume Morrigan did not return to Ferelden in my playthrough.

Story DLCs are canon but what you can't say is canon are the specific choices in those DLCs.
 
That means you can't say they'll just disregard the ending to Witch Hunt where the Warden follows Morrigan through the mirror.  They'll have to do something about that when we see Morrigan again or it'll ****** off alot of fans.

They actually do have options though to prevent us from seeing the warden or can cover his face with a helmet.  If we run into Morrigan 20 to 30 years after the end of Origins, then bioware can simply say the Warden went to his Calling.  They can have Morrigan explain it and be a bit sad about it.  Another option is to have the Warden busy doing something else for Morrigan when we see her in that time.