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[WazzuMan]

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

[DoNotIngest]

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

Warden's pretty much dried up, yes, but Hawke... Hawke doesn't have a chance to die, and the game ends with a Hawke-influenced ****storm, him/her running off w/ their lover, and the chantry hunting for them while the world burns. Wouldn't mind seeing an actual sequel in DA3.


I mean, I probably won't get it if it's a new protag, but that's just me. Found the characters a lot more interesting than the story, and that's the only thing loosely holding any of it together, besides some of the lore (some of that gets changed around, too, though...).

[John Epler]

Androme wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

Indeed i think that the warden deserves at least one more game so that it could conclude the wardens story.

Pretty much this, any1 not agreeing doesn't know what an RPG is.

Sorry.

Yeah, let's avoid the 'I AM THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS A TRUE RPG AND ONLY I DECIDE WHO IS A TRUE RPG FAN' shenanigans, shall we?

It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion and comes across as rather arrogant.

[Nationalcity1]

DoNotIngest wrote...

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

Warden's pretty much dried up, yes, but Hawke... Hawke doesn't have a chance to die, and the game ends with a Hawke-influenced ****storm, him/her running off w/ their lover, and the chantry hunting for them while the world burns. Wouldn't mind seeing an actual sequel in DA3.


I mean, I probably won't get it if it's a new protag, but that's just me. Found the characters a lot more interesting than the story, and that's the only thing loosely holding any of it together, besides some of the lore (some of that gets changed around, too, though...).

I'm also hoping for a wrap up of Hawke's story at least through DLC if there not gonna have anything to do with him/her in DA3.
My male hawke ran off with Ander's and hes being hunted by just about everyone so I gotta get some kind of closure to that even if its he gets killed aftewords... What worries me is there gonna have Anders make a cameo in DA3 even if people killed him and Hawke's magically gonna be nowhere to be found or the wonderful he dissapears like the warden ending....

Modifié par Nationalcity1, 09 septembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[Thori]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Androme wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

Indeed i think that the warden deserves at least one more game so that it could conclude the wardens story.

Pretty much this, any1 not agreeing doesn't know what an RPG is.

Sorry.

but didnt the devs say the wardens story was indeed done? im not sure how concluding the wardens story is irrelevant to RPGs, however, i would much like to see/play my warden(s) at least 1 more time:)

No, you misunderstood. Warden as PC is over. Warden NPC is still the main figure in DA universe.

[Thori]

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

You forget that at least 80% of players decided to keep Warden alive. And 40% decided to go through Eluvian with Morrigan. 
What? Bioware is gonna announce that Warden is dead and that's it? Screw those 80%? Not likely.

[Lestatman]

My Wardens are very much alive from as far as I can tell from a cameo from a characer in DA2 and their story is still continuing only we don't get to see it. Personally I only want a fitting end to my Wardens story not being left at the end of W.H. which for me gave me the impression of a "to be continued".

I'm only asking for one more campaign either along with Hawke in a DLC or Expansion. One way to end the Wardens story for me and maybe for others is to end it with the Wardens Calling.

I know it sometimes takes 30 yrs for it to happen and there's still a lot unknown about the Calling but I could picture a scene at the end of a campaign where the camera cuts to the Deep Roads. We either see 1 or 2 figures walking alone along the long road and cuts to a close up where we see either the Warden Commander alone, with Alistair or with lover/companion with the Warden looking pretty bad from the taint and we could have a sad emotional end where this Hero finally says goodbye and goes off to fight and die at the hands of the Darkspawn. We don't have to see the death but left under no circumstances that this is finally the end for our Hero.

[dsl08002]

i know that several has said that the wardens story is pretty much done but after playing orgins,awakening and all the dlcs it could hardly being called an conclusion considering you either follow morrigan or staying behind you disapears and that just left a number of questions unanswerd and i don´t like loose ends,
i´m pretty much certain that all of this forum doesn´t like loose ends either. you are welcome to correct me if i´m wrong.

Their are some elements when you meet fromer companions in cameo as New protaganist and its in my opinion not the same thing. The chemistry doesn´t feel right it feels so cold. Same thing goes for places and the story line.

But this is just my opinion

[dsl08002]

Lestatman wrote...

My Wardens are very much alive from as far as I can tell from a cameo from a characer in DA2 and their story is still continuing only we don't get to see it. Personally I only want a fitting end to my Wardens story not being left at the end of W.H. which for me gave me the impression of a "to be continued".

I'm only asking for one more campaign either along with Hawke in a DLC or Expansion. One way to end the Wardens story for me and maybe for others is to end it with the Wardens Calling.

I know it sometimes takes 30 yrs for it to happen and there's still a lot unknown about the Calling but I could picture a scene at the end of a campaign where the camera cuts to the Deep Roads. We either see 1 or 2 figures walking alone along the long road and cuts to a close up where we see either the Warden Commander alone, with Alistair or with lover/companion with the Warden looking pretty bad from the taint and we could have a sad emotional end where this Hero finally says goodbye and goes off to fight and die at the hands of the Darkspawn. We don't have to see the death but left under no circumstances that this is finally the end for our Hero.

Yes i´ve shared that same thought that the heroes journey Ends with the calling when the warden, allistair and lover companion goes down to the deep roads.
 
Then before they Charge against the darkspawn horde there will be a last conversation.

 Then when they charge The image freeze and you see how they charge, on a panting hanging in the halls of denerim. then the epilouge begins and then credits. 

[Steppenwolf]

JohnEpler wrote...

Androme wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

Indeed i think that the warden deserves at least one more game so that it could conclude the wardens story.

Pretty much this, any1 not agreeing doesn't know what an RPG is.

Sorry.

Yeah, let's avoid the 'I AM THE ARBITER OF WHAT IS A TRUE RPG AND ONLY I DECIDE WHO IS A TRUE RPG FAN' shenanigans, shall we?

It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion and comes across as rather arrogant.

Aside from being arrogant it's entirely too presumptuous. I hope every DA game has a different protagonist. I love Origins and have a favorite Warden(I have so many Wardens, but the one in my avatar is by far my favorite) but his story was done at the end of Origins as far as I'm concerned. Sure, he made the deal and survived and had some more adventures, but that was all an epilogue. And I don't want to play as Hawke in a full-fledged sequel either. His story is done. He set the stage for Anders, Meredith and Orsino to change the world and now his story is done. If he gets an epilogue in the form of an expansion, that's gravy. But his story is done. 

[Thori]

Hehehehe! True PresidentCowboy ...

Listen everybody! I know some of you think Warden's story is over and others ( most) think the opposite. But think a little. Just use your brain for a second. Dragon Age Origins, were exactly as the title says, ORIGINS!!! We get to know the world, the people. You cannot END somebody's story after 1 movie/book, right? I mean, discarding Warden after origins would be like, killing off Frodo after the Fellowship of the Ring. It was a start! A begining! Just like every individual story has it's own culmination, so must the entire franchise have the super big culmination! And the Superculmination cannot be made if some of the main characters are missing. Frodo,Aragorn,Gandalf,Gimli,Legolas,Sam,Pippin etc .... if Tolkien killed off any of those , whole story would fall apart. Now, how can they do something like that to DA? How can they continue story of moron Hawke and not sontinue the one of the Warden? Warden wasn't some weak person who fell under the influence of evil like Boromir, and deserved to have his char killed off.

I know this could' ve been said simpler, but I had to express every detail.

[Cutlasskiwi]

Thori wrote...

Hehehehe! True PresidentCowboy ...

Listen everybody! I know some of you think Warden's story is over and others ( most) think the opposite. But think a little. Just use your brain for a second. Dragon Age Origins, were exactly as the title says, ORIGINS!!! We get to know the world, the people. You cannot END somebody's story after 1 movie/book, right? I mean, discarding Warden after origins would be like, killing off Frodo after the Fellowship of the Ring. It was a start! A begining! Just like every individual story has it's own culmination, so must the entire franchise have the super big culmination! And the Superculmination cannot be made if some of the main characters are missing. Frodo,Aragorn,Gandalf,Gimli,Legolas,Sam,Pippin etc .... if Tolkien killed off any of those , whole story would fall apart. Now, how can they do something like that to DA? How can they continue story of moron Hawke and not sontinue the one of the Warden? Warden wasn't some weak person who fell under the influence of evil like Boromir, and deserved to have his char killed off.

I know this could' ve been said simpler, but I had to express every detail.

So people who don't want the Warden back isn't using their brain? How nice.. <_<

BioWare have been very clear about Dragon Age being about the world and not one character.

[elfdwarf]

Thori , i frown at you
play has ended for the warden being main character , he is now support character or dead character .
new main character is hawke until next game
both main character have perform was excellent

[Thori]

You two completely missed my point. Read carefully what I wrote. I don't want Warden as main protagonist/ PC. I want him to be VERY important NPC, like Hawke, and like the future protagonist of DA3. And btw ... Tolkien also wrote about the World of Middle Earth, not about characters, and yet, characters are what makes it! So stop talking like DA is about Thedas, not characters. That's biggest bull.... I ever heard.

[esper]

You see, Thori. I am beginning to fear that if people keeping demanding and 'ending' for the warden Bioware will just decide to kill them off - onscreen or worse offscreen and I really want my warden to have the life she decided for at the end of Awakening for the few years a warden lives.

[Mike3207]

Thori wrote...

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

You forget that at least 80% of players decided to keep Warden alive. And 40% decided to go through Eluvian with Morrigan. 
What? Bioware is gonna announce that Warden is dead and that's it? Screw those 80%? Not likely.

What makes you think that? I doubt 40% even did the ritual with Morrigan. I neither did the ritual with Morrigan or did WH-no great loss.

[Cohesion]

Thori wrote...

Cohesion wrote...

The easiest way to allow for the Warden's appearance would be to have it set after the main campaign, but still in the form of a narrated tale. They could easily have Leliana continue where Cassandra left off and ask Varric about said meeting. The playe could select the Warden's class, origin and gender, and then Varric could begin with a generic version of the Warden (in something iconic, like the Sentinel armour if the player selected a warrior) in the same manner he did with Hawke, and Leliana could correct him as to what the Warden really looks like. From there, the player could enter a more detailed character generator re-styling the Warden in the manner of DAII. The developers could also base the options for hair, tattoos, etc on the ones available in DA:O. They'd need two sets of VAs for each race, though.

I dunno how feasible that would be to include in a dlc, but that'd be my ideal compromise.

No! Apsolutely out of the question. Warden deserves more than just a DLC. Honestly!

In all honesty, the likelihood of seeing the Warden in anything other than a glorified cameo is pretty slim, based on what little info there is floating around at the minute. Quite frankly, I think the series should continue with a different protagonist, as going back to the Warden - after spending a game out of the spotlight - would be a backwards step, since the end of the Warden's story can vary wildly from player to player. Say what you like about Hawke as a character, but the very fact there are less permutations of how his story ended in DAII means that the writers won't have to tie themselves in knots when it comes to importing saves into DAIII.

And perhaps someone can explain to me the whole fascination with the Warden? The way some people speak of him/her, you'd think the character was a masterpiece in characterization, conceptualization and personal growth. Fond as I am of my Wardens, their lack of expressions and voices means I'm about as emotionally connected to them as I would be a plank of wood.

[Thori]

Mike Smith wrote...

Thori wrote...

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

You forget that at least 80% of players decided to keep Warden alive. And 40% decided to go through Eluvian with Morrigan. 
What? Bioware is gonna announce that Warden is dead and that's it? Screw those 80%? Not likely.

What makes you think that? I doubt 40% even did the ritual with Morrigan. I neither did the ritual with Morrigan or did WH-no great loss.

And you are 60%?

Pardon me. This was slithly rude. Ahem!
Go around this Forums and see for yourself. Make a poll afterall. See how many people killed off their Warden and how many of them went with Morrigan.

Modifié par Thori, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Thori]

Cohesion wrote...

Thori wrote...

Cohesion wrote...

The easiest way to allow for the Warden's appearance would be to have it set after the main campaign, but still in the form of a narrated tale. They could easily have Leliana continue where Cassandra left off and ask Varric about said meeting. The playe could select the Warden's class, origin and gender, and then Varric could begin with a generic version of the Warden (in something iconic, like the Sentinel armour if the player selected a warrior) in the same manner he did with Hawke, and Leliana could correct him as to what the Warden really looks like. From there, the player could enter a more detailed character generator re-styling the Warden in the manner of DAII. The developers could also base the options for hair, tattoos, etc on the ones available in DA:O. They'd need two sets of VAs for each race, though.

I dunno how feasible that would be to include in a dlc, but that'd be my ideal compromise.

No! Apsolutely out of the question. Warden deserves more than just a DLC. Honestly!

In all honesty, the likelihood of seeing the Warden in anything other than a glorified cameo is pretty slim, based on what little info there is floating around at the minute. Quite frankly, I think the series should continue with a different protagonist, as going back to the Warden - after spending a game out of the spotlight - would be a backwards step, since the end of the Warden's story can vary wildly from player to player. Say what you like about Hawke as a character, but the very fact there are less permutations of how his story ended in DAII means that the writers won't have to tie themselves in knots when it comes to importing saves into DAIII.

And perhaps someone can explain to me the whole fascination with the Warden? The way some people speak of him/her, you'd think the character was a masterpiece in characterization, conceptualization and personal growth. Fond as I am of my Wardens, their lack of expressions and voices means I'm about as emotionally connected to them as I would be a plank of wood.

Well, in comparison with Hawke, Warden is a very special plank of wood! B)And, he truly IS  a masterpiece of characterization, conceptualization and personal growth.  Attach one of those attributes to Hawke. 

[Mike3207]

Thori wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

Thori wrote...

WazzuMan wrote...

If the Warden killing an archdemon and saving the world from darkspawn, while possibly dying to do, wasn't conclusive enough for you, then tough. I've gone over it over and over, I simply can not deduce how Warden can make further appearances, or how so called RPG fans want to play as a possibly dead character again. We've heard his/her story and we heard most of Hawke's too. On to a new PC.

You forget that at least 80% of players decided to keep Warden alive. And 40% decided to go through Eluvian with Morrigan. 
What? Bioware is gonna announce that Warden is dead and that's it? Screw those 80%? Not likely.

What makes you think that? I doubt 40% even did the ritual with Morrigan. I neither did the ritual with Morrigan or did WH-no great loss.

And you are 60%?

My point is that I don't think you can put percentages on these things. There's no way you can know how many people did the Ritual, or made which choice in Witch Hunt. I think going through the Mirror with the PC was only one of the choices-the others were to kill her or let her go off by herself.I also don't think a online poll would prove anything-it wouldn't reflect all the people who made the choice.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 09 septembre 2011 - 05:44 .

[Nationalcity1]

There's just way to many options to bring the warden back. I agree with other people they gave you too many retcons there is no way they can possibly please everyone no matter what they do and I see it as there gonna ****** more people off then they would by just leaving it alone....

But who knows I mean half the people that I killed in origins magically popped back up in the sequel so who am I to judge....

What it comes down to is bioware is going to do what they want and its as simple as that if they think the warden has more story they will bring em back. I just don't know how there gonna be able to transfer every single warden over to the new graphics engine its going to be alot of work if they go that route but they did it with other characters so who knows...

[Steppenwolf]

It would be a developer's nightmare to try to bring back the Warden. With the new art style you can't just import the file of each player's Warden. And you can't just make a cookie cutter Warden because that wouldn't be everyone's specific Warden.
Get your heads out of the clouds and think logically. It ain't gonna happen.

[dsl08002]

perhaps we should be careful when we talk about facts regarding the wardens return as pc npc and so on. we can impossible tell how many procentage that favors the warden or hawke or so on.

it could be a big community that supports the warden as a PC regardless and there may be a big community that belives that the wardens story is done. either way we cant be sure so we better not make that assumption.

But we shouldn´t however say that supporting the Warden as PC or NPC is wrong, we can only share our opinions and how it is from our point of view.

one of the forum i wrote on was very aggresive against the wardens return as PC.