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[Someone With Mass]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because the Reapers won't notice the huge outflux of rachni? 
They can probably still indoctrinate officers and through them find out.

Not if the officers don't know the location.

[TheOptimist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

If you don't know how indoctrination works, how do you plan to do that?

Even if I don't know how indoctrination works, I am capable of understanding what's causing it. Reapers and their artifacts/technology.

Just keep her in a secure place where they can't touch her. Off the grid.

And she seems to be doing a good job of that by herself.

[JGDD]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

If you really don't trust Legion/the Geth, it would be pretty strange to enter an unknown space station and plant a big bomb.

Legion has proved that he is not an enemy and so the Heretics something we can both mutually benefit from. However if I rewrite them then the geth are geetting more out of this than I am. I'd rather keep it even.

So you do have paragon leanings. Interesting.

[Aeowyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Yes, that's very easy to do when you have so many other things to do and take care of...

Just put her in a secret and secure bunker where she can still bring up foot soldiers. Or call them in if/when you've found a safe way to counter indoctrination if they're so susceptible.

We don't even know where the Queen is to begin with. How do you plan on contacting her?

[TheOptimist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The problem is that Mass Effect wasn't marketed as a series where I would decide the tone. It was supposed to be about making hard choices that would have consequences. That means uncertainty should factor into each choice.

It wasn't marketed as a series where we decide the tone? 

'"The battle for Earth has begun-Decide how it ends"

Sounds like you're in for some grave disappointment.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because the Reapers won't notice the huge outflux of rachni? 
They can probably still indoctrinate officers and through them find out.

Not if the officers don't know the location.

People in high command.

It's still a risk and depend on the Reapers not noticing the rachni and not making an effort to find her. Now you can think it's worth it, and indeed war is all about risk. But I think the potential problems outweight the benefits.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

TheOptimist wrote...

outmane wrote...

Just as some other ppl cant believe moraly wrong choices will always bring the best outcome and I guess both sides are right. Problably the most 'realistic' path is a paragade/renegon path. But ME is just a canevas for you to write a story. Why be frustrated about what other ppl see in their playthrough? 

Like I said killing the Feros colonists is a good decision because it prevents them from spreading the Thorian spores around. It feels like a bad decision only when you compare it to the other outcome from hindsight. Shepard will never know he lost an ally by killing the Rachnii Queen because he clensed the world of a possible threat and is damn proud of it. Hes got no crystal ball like we do to see what he missed.

What im saying is comparing paths is a bad idea because they are contradictory in the fact that both are designed to bring the the player to a happy outcome at the end. They are not made to be realistic or offer a moral compass. 

If you believe that sacrifices have to be made to get victory you can write that story. If you feel like only the higher moral ground can save the universe then you can write that one too. You can also write the story of how a perfect **** saved the universe by killing everything on his way. Of course, your story will probably be more interesting to read at the end then a classic fairy tale. That doesnt mean the game shouldnt let fairytale lovers write their fairytale. You and I dotn have to read them.

I wish more of the Renegade and Paragade fans had your outlook on things.

I think you mean paragon...also QFT

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Yes, that's very easy to do when you have so many other things to do and take care of...

Just put her in a secret and secure bunker where she can still bring up foot soldiers. Or call them in if/when you've found a safe way to counter indoctrination if they're so susceptible.

We don't even know where the Queen is to begin with. How do you plan on contacting her?

Indeed, it's only in ME2 that she tries to contact you via questionable means. There is no indication taht the Rachni Queen wanted or could contact you in ME1. I was surprised when I saw that her reach was so vast that she can use an Asari from that long a distance. 

[JGDD]

Saphra Deden wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

So you do have paragon leanings. Interesting.

What makes you say that?

In a majority of your comments you say Renegades make the logical choice. Activating a Geth - in your ship - in your AI's core - is about as illogical as it can get. A leap of faith into the unknown; that this thing will not go into turbo kill mode and screw you royally. You went Paragon.

[Aeowyn]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Yes, that's very easy to do when you have so many other things to do and take care of...

Just put her in a secret and secure bunker where she can still bring up foot soldiers. Or call them in if/when you've found a safe way to counter indoctrination if they're so susceptible.

We don't even know where the Queen is to begin with. How do you plan on contacting her?

Indeed, it's only in ME2 that she tries to contact you via questionable means. There is no indication taht the Rachni Queen wanted or could contact you in ME1. I was surprised when I saw that her reach was so vast that she can use an Asari from that long a distance. 

Actually, it sounded like it was a "pre-recorded" message that she left in that asari's brain before she sent her off. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...
Actually, it sounded like it was a "pre-recorded" message that she left in that asari's brain before she sent her off. 

Hmmm, possibly. Still something I had no idea she could do.

And that has very unpleasant implications. If she can record messages, I wonder what else she can record and then activate at will.

[Lakhi]

War's not fun and games, sometimes you have to make a hard decision for the betterment of the whole.

[Wulfram]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Legion has proved that he is not an enemy

How/when?

[Ryzaki]

TheOptimist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Don't you get it? The point is that the game acknowledges the paragon choice. The universe recognizes it happened. For renegade choices you get nothing. And no, an empty chair is not a recognition of it happening.

I'm afraid the empty chair does in fact qualify as recognition, because when you remove someone from the universe, THEY DON'T SHOW UP AND TALK TO YOU.  Bioware made Renegade the default choice, that's all.

This. 

Now could BW have made up some convulted stupidity (like they did wih the paragon cameos) sure but you'e not being "punished" for making the renegade choice. 

The person you killed didn't come back from the dead and go YOU'RE WRONG NEERNEER! and give Paragon's 100000 credits or something. 

[Alamar2078]

Why all the concern about the "best" ending?? If your Shepard is a boyscout then choose the blue options.

If your Shep is a jerk, then as a rule of thumb, choose the Red option.

If you Shep is a weird combination of Good + Rutheless [I.E. he is good BUT will do what is needed to beat the Reapers] then choose the option that fits most closely IF the system will let you pick that choice.

At that point [in a roleplay perspective] make the choices that fit the character then you need to live with whatever the results you get.

As for the "optimal" outcome I hope there isn't some sort of obvious best choice no matter what your Shep's personality.


BTW: This is why I don't like ME2's system of Renegade / Paragon. If you want to mix Red AND Blue options that are at a high difficulty there isn't a way you can get both. In ME1 you at least had charm & intimidate skills that you could dump points into that would let you get to more options.

[Seboist]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Actually, it sounded like it was a "pre-recorded" message that she left in that asari's brain before she sent her off. 

Hmmm, possibly. Still something I had no idea she could do.

And that has very unpleasant implications. If she can record messages, I wonder what else she can record and then activate at will.

That "Rachni ambassador" sounded like she was in some drug induced like state and not all there in the head.

Very unpleasant indeed.

[Ryzaki]

outmane wrote...

Just as some other ppl cant believe moraly wrong choices will always bring the best outcome and I guess both sides are right. Problably the most 'realistic' path is a paragade/renegon path. But ME is just a canevas for you to write a story. Why be frustrated about what other ppl see in their playthrough? 

Like I said killing the Feros colonists is a good decision because it prevents them from spreading the Thorian spores around. It feels like a bad decision only when you compare it to the other outcome from hindsight. Shepard will never know he lost an ally by killing the Rachnii Queen because he clensed the world of a possible threat and is damn proud of it. Hes got no crystal ball like we do to see what he missed.

What im saying is comparing paths is a bad idea because they are contradictory in the fact that both are designed to bring the the player to a happy outcome at the end. They are not made to be realistic or offer a moral compass. 

If you believe that sacrifices have to be made to get victory you can write that story. If you feel like only the higher moral ground can save the universe then you can write that one too. You can also write the story of how a perfect **** saved the universe by killing everything on his way. Of course, your story will probably be more interesting to read at the end then a classic fairy tale. That doesnt mean the game shouldnt let fairytale lovers write their fairytale. You and I dotn have to read them.

I <3 this post. 

[Aeowyn]

Seboist wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Actually, it sounded like it was a "pre-recorded" message that she left in that asari's brain before she sent her off. 

Hmmm, possibly. Still something I had no idea she could do.

And that has very unpleasant implications. If she can record messages, I wonder what else she can record and then activate at will.

That "Rachni ambassador" sounded like she was in some drug induced like state and not all there in the head.

Very unpleasant indeed.

She sounded like the latest member of a cult. 

[JGDD]

Saphra Deden wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

In a majority of your comments you say Renegades make the logical choice. Activating a Geth - in your ship - in your AI's core - is about as illogical as it can get. A leap of faith into the unknown; that this thing will not go into turbo kill mode and screw you royally. You went Paragon.

There are a few problems with this.

1.) I'm not the one who decided to put it in the ****ing A.I. core. I think the writers were going for humor (same reason Thane is in the life support area)

2.) Wanting activate and interrogate the geth is logical. It is also logical to sell it to Cerberus. I could go either way.

I don't mind earning a few Paragon points here and there. There are a few (and I stress, few) instances in which I think the Paragon path has merits.

1) Of course not. But the surroundings blatantly bring your decision into focus. Or should...

2) Logical in what way? That you are better equipped than a Cerberus lab that can take measures to contain/eliminate any Geth hostilities?


Also - just busting your chops.

[Someone With Mass]

Aeowyn wrote...

We don't even know where the Queen is to begin with. How do you plan on contacting her?

See? It worked. 

Nah, but if she just keeps moving, she'll be fine. It's a little different from when the rachni had multiple queens that could be indoctrinated and betray each other.

[Ryzaki]

Seboist wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Actually, it sounded like it was a "pre-recorded" message that she left in that asari's brain before she sent her off. 

Hmmm, possibly. Still something I had no idea she could do.

And that has very unpleasant implications. If she can record messages, I wonder what else she can record and then activate at will.

That "Rachni ambassador" sounded like she was in some drug induced like state and not all there in the head.

Very unpleasant indeed.

Agreed. I'm expecting saving her to massively backfire. 

[TheOptimist]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

outmane wrote...

Just as some other ppl cant believe moraly wrong choices will always bring the best outcome and I guess both sides are right. Problably the most 'realistic' path is a paragade/renegon path. But ME is just a canevas for you to write a story. Why be frustrated about what other ppl see in their playthrough? 

Like I said killing the Feros colonists is a good decision because it prevents them from spreading the Thorian spores around. It feels like a bad decision only when you compare it to the other outcome from hindsight. Shepard will never know he lost an ally by killing the Rachnii Queen because he clensed the world of a possible threat and is damn proud of it. Hes got no crystal ball like we do to see what he missed.

What im saying is comparing paths is a bad idea because they are contradictory in the fact that both are designed to bring the the player to a happy outcome at the end. They are not made to be realistic or offer a moral compass. 

If you believe that sacrifices have to be made to get victory you can write that story. If you feel like only the higher moral ground can save the universe then you can write that one too. You can also write the story of how a perfect **** saved the universe by killing everything on his way. Of course, your story will probably be more interesting to read at the end then a classic fairy tale. That doesnt mean the game shouldnt let fairytale lovers write their fairytale. You and I dotn have to read them.

I wish more of the Renegade and Paragade fans had your outlook on things.

I think you mean paragon...also QFT

Sure, them too, although in my experience Paragon players care and complain far less about what happened if you did things the other way and are all for other endings as long as they can get the one they want.  Could be I haven't been around the board long enough, though.