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[raziel1980]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Something I thought about after posting.

If any of you use Facebook? You should probably be over there screaming rather than over here. Their system is actually far more abusive... Where these systems your screaming about here have been around for a while and tend to have simular disclaimers that have been summarily ignored.

Facebook is actually collecting all the information they can about how you use face book to actually HIDE information from you. Anything and anybody you don't like repeatedly is going to disappear... Games you didn't know that were on there and hadn't played. they are all going to vanish... Information from your friends on your wall that you don't follow regularly? Those are all going to vanish too...

That is a far more viscious system than what is going on here. you really want something like this to shout about and your a facebook user. Facebook probably needs to hear about it.

The founder of Facebook has said that anyone who values privacy is an out-of-touch idiot. 

I will NEVER have a Facebook acount for any reason, ever. 

This is why I only use FAILbook on my phone now... and that is because of the fact that most of my friends n family use FAILbook n I wouldn't use it or have an account otherwise...

Modifié par raziel1980, 25 août 2011 - 07:58 .

[JGDD]

Reptillius wrote...

Ok. I'm on page 4 and I've seen this so many times already I just have to speak.

If you feel like this?

I'll tell you exactly what you need to do.

Stop everything your doing. Take your hands off the keyboard. Take a deep breath and just Stop for a moment.

Stopped?  Ok.

Now on to step 2.  Delete every game on your computer that is from say at least 2005.  They are all doing this to you. In all those EULA's you ignored up until this point there are words like this.  Every time you signed up to websites or whatever else that's giving you all those advertisement emails for updates and new products from those companies...

yeah... You should probably delete any program that goes with any of them on your computer too...

Steam?  Sorry boys and girls.  It's gone.  And for all your complaining about origion.  Steam is actually the more vile about it.  It hides these facts rather than puts them out for you to read by Passing the buck to the companies of the games that you play. they all do this whether you like it or not.

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In Short. We're not seeing anything new. You want to rail against origion because it's a change and we all hate change whether we say it or not. The only thing that is changing is the name on your downloader program if you use their downloaders.

All your accounts for these forums. You already have These accounts. Verifying hard copies of non-online games... That's probably going to be exactly like DAII and others that require you log in with your bioware/EA/Origion accounts from the game before you can access all of your content.

If you don't like doing that now then there really is no help for you I'm afraid because Steam isn't helping you either.  it's still keeping track of you. the Third parties for their games are still keeping track of you.  And they are using all that information.

And all of them actually want to know how much you play/replay/ play+delete their games. And many of them keep track of that too anymore.  Ea is doing you a favor about being upfront about it.  Which is more than what some of your favorite companies are doing.

Ignorance is bliss. Some day people like you will find out how dispicable allowing clauses like this to form and proliferate really is. You should learn about preserving your privacy and how vital that is to YOUR well being. Jumping in here with outdated facts and no knowledge of the current gripe proves you are unprepared for future violations of your liberties. Do the right thing and protest this instead of falling inline like a lemming.

[g99]

I hope that it will be possible to play ME3 like ME2. If I'm correct it is not required to have Origin running in the background to play ME2. You are able to start the game from normal icon on desktop or from start menu. You can also play ME2 offline.
But it is a problem in the gaming industry... Ubisoft monitors you're play all the time, Blizzard's battle.net is required to play Starcraft II, Steam is full of antipirate type of protection etc.
I fear that living in modern era requires from us to allow a level of info gathering by developers, banks, social media, etc. We have to live with it.

[Reptillius]

Deathwurm wrote...

Ok...now please do something for me...read the few articles that have been published on gaming news sites already and come back...

Done? Cool. Did you notice how they talk about the EULA reserving the right to access ALL the info on your Hard-Drive...that's new. I don't have a problem with them accessing info on Hardware configurations or how I'm playing their Game or what DLC's or Mods I have, but what is the reason for reserving the right to scan your entire Hard-Drive for anything that might be there? How does info that has nothing to do with Games help them to produce better Games?

And again, did you notice their idea of the "opt out?" the part where it say if you do not agree with the Terms do not download the Origin service? I hav eno intention of buying on-line...I indended to purchase the hard-copy from a Store. So if they are going to use this as a form of DRM, there is no opt out.

Oh you mean the same sites that used a false cover of XBOX magazine to swear that there was Multiplayer confirmed in ME and all of that fine investigative reporting?  The same places that have no problem stretching what something says to inflame or impassion their readers for or against something?

[Killjoy Cutter]

charmingcharlie wrote...

It seems EA might be listening because the EULA has now been changed to :-

EA EULA states ........ 2. Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

http://eacom.s3.amaz...gin_8.24.11.pdf

I bolded the part they appear to have changed, still not good enough in my books.  I do not buy games so I can "improve" EA's services, there should be an opt option without losing the ability to play EA games.

Indeed.  I don't give a rat's butt about helping EA improve their services and products.  If they want that kind of work from me, they can pay me.  As long as I'm paying them, I'm the customer, and they have no right to any information about me. 

[Gahrat]

Welp. And here I was ready to buy ME3 and all it's DLC. Just simply going to the store, buying the game, installing it, maybe with a few codes to activate.

But this? Hell no. Deleting unactive games and access to everything on computer? Honestly, I don't even care about them getting on my computer all that much, I doubt they'd really use my bank codes for anything and I got nothing else to hide. But it's the idea that pisses me off. If I wanted a spyware on my computer, okay I'd download it.

Even if they removed the privacy thing and everything else, I refuse to buy ME3 as long as I HAVE TO get origin with it. Either it's just the game I bought without anything else, or nothing at all. Expect I'd of course pirate it, much less hassle, no need to use some crappy program everytime I want to play and have it monitor over me. Just download it, crack it, and vo'la! Good job, DRM, you encourage pirating. But I think everyone in this thread already knows that. But some companies never learn.

Bioware needs to find a way to seperate themselves from EA, and then EA should die out, slowly.

[Deathwurm]

Reptillius wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

Ok...now please do something for me...read the few articles that have been published on gaming news sites already and come back...

Done? Cool. Did you notice how they talk about the EULA reserving the right to access ALL the info on your Hard-Drive...that's new. I don't have a problem with them accessing info on Hardware configurations or how I'm playing their Game or what DLC's or Mods I have, but what is the reason for reserving the right to scan your entire Hard-Drive for anything that might be there? How does info that has nothing to do with Games help them to produce better Games?

And again, did you notice their idea of the "opt out?" the part where it say if you do not agree with the Terms do not download the Origin service? I hav eno intention of buying on-line...I indended to purchase the hard-copy from a Store. So if they are going to use this as a form of DRM, there is no opt out.

Oh you mean the same sites that used a false cover of XBOX magazine to swear that there was Multiplayer confirmed in ME and all of that fine investigative reporting?  The same places that have no problem stretching what something says to inflame or impassion their readers for or against something?

So you're saying that multiple sites altered the wording of the EULA to get us all worked up over nothing?

On a more logical and brighter note, I am very happy to see that the wording of the EULA is beginning to change. If so much noise had not been made about this issue, they would have let it go through as originally worded, which again, has larger implictations for the PC Gaming industry as a whole.

Those site or publishers that are collecting more information than they are disclosing in their EULAs are violating there own Contracts with us, so there is recourse when they do it...the Origin EULA was completely removing the right to maintain your own Privacy.

People who dismiss the "Slippery Slope" argument without remembering how many times the slope has already been slid down need to refresh their memories by readinbg about WWII Germany, or the McCarthy hearings, or the Patriot Act of the U.S.

[Gahrat]

I still don't think ME3 should have forced origins even if they removed these feared functions. If it's not a digital copy, then I shouldn't need to do more than install my game and play.

And steam is a different matter, there are only a few non-digitally purchased games that require steam to play. And even so, origins is just for EA games. Steam is for many others.

[King Minos]

Ok people, if you have Origin, I honestly believe that should remove all personal pickets and similiar stuff, if Origin ever go hacked that will be disastrous to your privacy, your location, email, personal photos, log in details, credit description and other private documents. I am agaisnt this, and I highly suggest removing Origin.

[cocla]

Remember people, dont just obstain from buying, EA has enough sheep who will still buy that it wont matter much.

The bad publicity is what matters! Look up your local/national privacy rights agency and lodge a complaint against EA for illegally monitoring and storing your PC activity!

[JGDD]

Deathwurm wrote...

So you're saying that multiple sites altered the wording of the EULA to get us all worked up over nothing?

On a more logical and brighter note, I am very happy to see that the wording of the EULA is beginning to change. If so much noise had not been made about this issue, they would have let it go through as originally worded, which again, has larger implictations for the PC Gaming industry as a whole.

Those site or publishers that are collecting more information than they are disclosing in their EULAs are violating there own Contracts with us, so there is recourse when they do it...the Origin EULA was completely removing the right to maintain your own Privacy.

People who dismiss the "Slippery Slope" argument without remembering how many times the slope has already been slid down need to refresh their memories by readinbg about WWII Germany, or the McCarthy hearings, or the Patriot Act of the U.S.

They didn't really change anything. Just a 'trust us' note. This is still unacceptable. It is still binding and gives them freedom to do whatever they want. Until the wording is precise and restricting enough (for them) you shouldn't let your guard down.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 25 août 2011 - 09:01 .

[SNascimento]

I hope it does, just for the lolz.

[Nathander Von Eric]

The only thing that will be good enough for me will be finding out that this heinous software won't be required to be installed on my PC when installing Mass Effect 3.

[Reptillius]

Deathwurm wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

Ok...now please do something for me...read the few articles that have been published on gaming news sites already and come back...

Done? Cool. Did you notice how they talk about the EULA reserving the right to access ALL the info on your Hard-Drive...that's new. I don't have a problem with them accessing info on Hardware configurations or how I'm playing their Game or what DLC's or Mods I have, but what is the reason for reserving the right to scan your entire Hard-Drive for anything that might be there? How does info that has nothing to do with Games help them to produce better Games?

And again, did you notice their idea of the "opt out?" the part where it say if you do not agree with the Terms do not download the Origin service? I hav eno intention of buying on-line...I indended to purchase the hard-copy from a Store. So if they are going to use this as a form of DRM, there is no opt out.

Oh you mean the same sites that used a false cover of XBOX magazine to swear that there was Multiplayer confirmed in ME and all of that fine investigative reporting?  The same places that have no problem stretching what something says to inflame or impassion their readers for or against something?

So you're saying that multiple sites altered the wording of the EULA to get us all worked up over nothing?

On a more logical and brighter note, I am very happy to see that the wording of the EULA is beginning to change. If so much noise had not been made about this issue, they would have let it go through as originally worded, which again, has larger implictations for the PC Gaming industry as a whole.

Those site or publishers that are collecting more information than they are disclosing in their EULAs are violating there own Contracts with us, so there is recourse when they do it...the Origin EULA was completely removing the right to maintain your own Privacy.

People who dismiss the "Slippery Slope" argument without remembering how many times the slope has already been slid down need to refresh their memories by readinbg about WWII Germany, or the McCarthy hearings, or the Patriot Act of the U.S.

No. I'm talking about the ones that take a potential ambiguity statement and carry it out to it's worst possible conclusion to get you all fired up. Which they have. And you did. The wording wasn't the best and I never said it wasn't. But the wording also wasn't quite as misleading as they make it sound either.

The reality is that it is something that we have agreed to probably a dozen times or so. If not more.  I never said the wording wasn't the best. I merely stated it's something we agree to all the time without thinking.  In fact the change in wording doesn't even change the information that EA collects through the origion system. It just clarifies it.

Privacy was never completely removed but those wishing to inflame readers and potentially get more easily abused the ambiguous wording of certain pieces of it to sound that way. Just like they did with the XBOX cover.

[Madness Factory]

im really looking forward to this game but if origin is required and it still invades privacy i will simply not buy ME3

[King Minos]

I'm warning you people, the Internet is fill of creepy and dangerous people, one slip up on EA's part can be very bad for you. If you do consider atleast read the terms and conditions!!! To those who are deciding just becareful, many gaming sits got hacked and the psn itself got hacked, thin of what could happen if Origin got hacked, you will lose alot more than personal details, you could end up becoming a victim of identity theft if you details got leaked and some low life can just easily access your bank account, take your identity and pretty much destroy your life. Extreme I know but it is possible. Just becareful what you agree to forum members, I do not like this one bit.

[King Minos]

Terms and conditions are always ambiguous, i bet you anything that EA has a loophole ready to not take the blame when you do lose your personal details. Like I said becareful people.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

King Minos wrote...

I'm warning you people, the Internet is fill of creepy and dangerous people, one slip up on EA's part can be very bad for you. If you do consider atleast read the terms and conditions!!! To those who are deciding just becareful, many gaming sits got hacked and the psn itself got hacked, thin of what could happen if Origin got hacked, you will lose alot more than personal details, you could end up becoming a victim of identity theft if you details got leaked and some low life can just easily access your bank account, take your identity and pretty much destroy your life. Extreme I know but it is possible. Just becareful what you agree to forum members, I do not like this one bit.

And the same thing could happen on countless other sites... seriously people need to stop with this fear mongering BS

Anyone who is truly disturbed by this, here is a suggestion for you if you really are this worried.

Log off the internet right now, power down your computer, package it up, take it back to the store you bought it from and tell them your too much of a fussbot to be owning a computer for fear your personal details will be taken by someone else.

Some people on this topic really are proving to be dimwitted morons and then there are some just further stirring the pot as if the same stuff can't happen anywhere else despite listing such things.

[Guldhun2]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I'm warning you people, the Internet is fill of creepy and dangerous people, one slip up on EA's part can be very bad for you. If you do consider atleast read the terms and conditions!!! To those who are deciding just becareful, many gaming sits got hacked and the psn itself got hacked, thin of what could happen if Origin got hacked, you will lose alot more than personal details, you could end up becoming a victim of identity theft if you details got leaked and some low life can just easily access your bank account, take your identity and pretty much destroy your life. Extreme I know but it is possible. Just becareful what you agree to forum members, I do not like this one bit.

And the same thing could happen on countless other sites... seriously people need to stop with this fear mongering BS

Anyone who is truly disturbed by this, here is a suggestion for you if you really are this worried.

Log off the internet right now, power down your computer, package it up, take it back to the store you bought it from and tell them your too much of a fussbot to be owning a computer for fear your personal details will be taken by someone else.

Some people on this topic really are proving to be dimwitted morons and then there are some just further stirring the pot as if the same stuff can't happen anywhere else despite listing such things.

So you are ok with giving EA the right to scan every file on your computer?

[Rockworm503]

raziel1980 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

Something I thought about after posting.

If any of you use Facebook? You should probably be over there screaming rather than over here. Their system is actually far more abusive... Where these systems your screaming about here have been around for a while and tend to have simular disclaimers that have been summarily ignored.

Facebook is actually collecting all the information they can about how you use face book to actually HIDE information from you. Anything and anybody you don't like repeatedly is going to disappear... Games you didn't know that were on there and hadn't played. they are all going to vanish... Information from your friends on your wall that you don't follow regularly? Those are all going to vanish too...

That is a far more viscious system than what is going on here. you really want something like this to shout about and your a facebook user. Facebook probably needs to hear about it.

The founder of Facebook has said that anyone who values privacy is an out-of-touch idiot. 

I will NEVER have a Facebook acount for any reason, ever. 

This is why I only use FAILbook on my phone now... and that is because of the fact that most of my friends n family use FAILbook n I wouldn't use it or have an account otherwise...

After reading that.  I am very close to deleting my account.  I even posted it on my wall saying as much.  Giving my friends and friends and family time to see it and if they can give me a reason to keep it then I'll reconsider maybe.  The reason Imade the damn account is gone so now I feel stupid keeping it.

[InvincibleHero]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

King Minos wrote...

I'm warning you people, the Internet is fill of creepy and dangerous people, one slip up on EA's part can be very bad for you. If you do consider atleast read the terms and conditions!!! To those who are deciding just becareful, many gaming sits got hacked and the psn itself got hacked, thin of what could happen if Origin got hacked, you will lose alot more than personal details, you could end up becoming a victim of identity theft if you details got leaked and some low life can just easily access your bank account, take your identity and pretty much destroy your life. Extreme I know but it is possible. Just becareful what you agree to forum members, I do not like this one bit.

And the same thing could happen on countless other sites... seriously people need to stop with this fear mongering BS

Anyone who is truly disturbed by this, here is a suggestion for you if you really are this worried.

Log off the internet right now, power down your computer, package it up, take it back to the store you bought it from and tell them your too much of a fussbot to be owning a computer for fear your personal details will be taken by someone else.

Some people on this topic really are proving to be dimwitted morons and then there are some just further stirring the pot as if the same stuff can't happen anywhere else despite listing such things.

So you are ok with giving EA the right to scan every file on your computer?

You aren't. It seems to cover things like hardware and install logs only. It will only be things EA can prove are necessary to th software itself. I don't care if they know my computer has a six core athlon which I have ocd to 3.34 GHz. It can only help them develop better patches. I will post my specs here for anyone to read. They aren't going to be able to get my credit card number or bank account no which is encrypted BTW for you fear baiters out there.

[Guldhun2]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You aren't. It seems to cover things like hardware and install logs only. It will only be things EA can prove are necessary to th software itself. I don't care if they know my computer has a six core athlon which I have ocd to 3.34 GHz. It can only help them develop better patches. I will post my specs here for anyone to read. They aren't going to be able to get my credit card number or bank account no which is encrypted BTW for you fear baiters out there.

http://www.rockpaper...-more-sinister/

Read it, EA has the right with that EULA to scan EVERYTHING on your computer.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Guldhun2 wrote...

So you are ok with giving EA the right to scan every file on your computer?

Collection and Use of Information 
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties.

"Oh my gawd guys, Valve is scanning all the files on my computer and sharing the information with other parties!"

See... I can do it too with other companies policies (and I did actually pull that from Steams Privacy Policy)

So I think that should answer your question... as I said earlier... mountains out of molehills.

[Guldhun2]

Read my link Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien.

[InvincibleHero]

Guldhun2 wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

You aren't. It seems to cover things like hardware and install logs only. It will only be things EA can prove are necessary to th software itself. I don't care if they know my computer has a six core athlon which I have ocd to 3.34 GHz. It can only help them develop better patches. I will post my specs here for anyone to read. They aren't going to be able to get my credit card number or bank account no which is encrypted BTW for you fear baiters out there.

http://www.rockpaper...-more-sinister/

Read it, EA has the right with that EULA to scan EVERYTHING on your computer.

It does not. It is restricted to these. "You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware". Nowhere does it say scan your whole computer which would take hours and consume far too many resources and have far too big files exporting when you connected online.

When you install any game it already scans those areas. It is limited to the game functionality and installed programs os and those listed.