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[Killjoy Cutter]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Absolutely. If a retail copy of Mass Effect 3 is Origin free it will be a day 1 purchase for me.
Heck, I'll have it on pre-order and paid for before it even releases.

Same here. 

I want to buy a hard copy anyway, I always prefer that to downloads if it exists. 

[DeathDragon185]

now im glad im getting the PS3 version

[Dariuszp]

Then answer is simple. Don't buy it. Sales drop. EA will start to think.

[Carfax]

LOL, the people in this thread are a bunch of tards..  I wonder how many of you are petrified of Origin, yet have Steam on their computer

Steam collects personal data as well you know, ..  How the hell you think they get those steam statistics that everyone loves to keep track of gaming hardware?

And if you use an antivirus or "fixer" software like registry mechanic, it scans your hardrive AND sends personal information......OH NOES!! 

Origin will in many ways, be no different than steam, yet I don't see anyone getting up in arms at Valve.

Modifié par Carfax, 28 août 2011 - 09:39 .

[jojon2se]

Valve has cultivated a benevolent public image (whether it holds up behind the curtains, or not), whereas EA has almost-intentionally-seeming done the opposite. That would be the big difference, I'd say.

[Guldhun2]

Carfax wrote...

LOL, the people in this thread are a bunch of tards..  I wonder how many of you are petrified of Origin, yet have Steam on their computer

Steam collects personal data as well you know, ..  How the hell you think they get those steam statistics that everyone loves to keep track of gaming hardware?

And if you use an antivirus or "fixer" software like registry mechanic, it scans your hardrive AND sends personal information......OH NOES!! 

Origin will in many ways, be no different than steam, yet I don't see anyone getting up in arms at Valve.

Steam collects only the use of steam itself. Nothing outside of it, part from hardware which you can opt-out. But Origin will according to the EULA scan EVERYTHING.

[Carfax]

jojon2se wrote...

Valve has cultivated a benevolent public image (whether it holds up behind the curtains, or not), whereas EA has almost-intentionally-seeming done the opposite. That would be the big difference, I'd say.

LOL, if you think Valve is "benevolent" then you are as naive as a child.  Valve is just like EA, except they are more subtle.

Both are companies will do damn near anything to get your hard earned cash.  Case in point, Steam dropping EA games like Crysis 2 etc from their database was all about them getting mad that their stranglehold on digital distribution is now coming to an end, and not because EA themselves pulled the games.

[Carfax]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Steam collects only the use of steam itself. Nothing outside of it, part from hardware which you can opt-out. But Origin will according to the EULA scan EVERYTHING.

I agree that EA got overzealous with the terminology in the EULA (which apparently has been changed), but in practice, Origin will be no different than Steam.  The purpose of Origin is for EA to have it's own digital distribution platform and online DRM scheme, without relying on third parties.

That said, lots of software scan your hardrive and send personal information.  This has been ongoing for years now, so I don't see the major problem.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other if you get my meaning..

[Deathwurm]

@Carfax: You make good points about the fact that it is and has always been the case that your Computer is open to just about anyone you do business with or visit on the Web.

My problem as I've stated here more than a few times, is (or was?) the actual wording and fact that it's actually asking for the Right to do it openly instead of Covertly.

I'm savy enough to know that breaking your own ToS has little or no consequences...just look at Facebook (which I do NOT and NEVER will use) they violated their own Privacy Policy in a major way and suffered no ill effects.

The "opt out" they put in is a bit too confrontational for me, personally as well...when presented with an attitude like that I almost always choose the "OK...I'm gone" option. They aren't exactly providing something I can't live without. I'm a Fan of Bioware (my only real Contact with EA in years) but I don't need them to stay healthy or warm.

[Ghar Thurion]

It's a good thing that i play newer age games on my Xbox30.  However my heart goes out to the PC gamers, cosntantly being harassed by shizzles like this. Damned capitalism.

Modifié par Ghar Thurion, 28 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[elitecom]

Carfax wrote...
Origin will in many ways, be no different than steam, yet I don't see anyone getting up in arms at Valve.

First I'd like to acknowledge that I don't favour Steam over Origin or take any particular side or anything like that. Now over to my point.

See the difference is that I can buy a game on Steam, and then of course I'm going to have to use the Steam service to play my game. After all I bought the game on Steam. However if Origin will be required to play ME3, that means that although I can buy the game retail without any association whatsoever with Origin, I'm still going to have to use Origin to play my game. See the difference?

[Dariuszp]

And Valve will not sell data about you to other companies or use it in adverts WHILE EA EULA allow them to do this.
As you read. They can pass info about you to ANY company or use it in advertising .

[Carfax]

elitecom wrote...

See the difference is that I can buy a game on Steam, and then of course I'm going to have to use the Steam service to play my game. After all I bought the game on Steam. However if Origin will be required to play ME3, that means that although I can buy the game retail without any association whatsoever with Origin, I'm still going to have to use Origin to play my game. See the difference?

No I don't see the difference, because some games still use Steam despite the fact of whether you bought it retail or not, as Steam is not just a digital distribution platform, but a DRM solution..  A good example is Metro 2033.  I bought that game retail, yet I still had to have Steam on my computer in order to play it.

Portal 2, and other games made by Valve also require steam, regardless of whether you bought a digital or hard copy.

Again, I must say that most of the problems being associated with Origins comes from people being uninformed.

[jojon2se]

Carfax wrote...

jojon2se wrote...
Valve has cultivated a benevolent public image (whether it holds up behind the curtains, or not)
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LOL, if you think Valve is "benevolent" then you are as naive as a child.  Valve is just like EA, except they are more subtle.
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relevant parts bolded.

[elitecom]

Carfax wrote...
No I don't see the difference, because some games still use Steam despite the fact of whether you bought it retail or not, as Steam is not just a digital distribution platform, but a DRM solution..  A good example is Metro 2033.  I bought that game retail, yet I still had to have Steam on my computer in order to play it.

Portal 2, and other games made by Valve also require steam, regardless of whether you bought a digital or hard copy.

Again, I must say that most of the problems being associated with Origins comes from people being uninformed.

I didn't know that about Metro 2033, but in the end it doesn't make any difference anyway. As I said I don't prefer Origin over Steam or vice versa, I think that is equally bad to force players to use a service that isn't associated with the game at all, either it's Steam or Origin.

For me this isn't about Origin, it's about being forced to use a service that isn't associated with the game at all. 

[Carfax]

elitecom wrote...

For me this isn't about Origin, it's about being forced to use a service that isn't associated with the game at all. 

Well, this is the way things are going, and it's not really a bad thing imo.  Steam/Origins has it's pros as well.  For instance, if you bought a game from either distributor, then you have access to that game anywhere you have the internet.  You can also install the game on as many machines as you want..

I think services like Steam or Origins is a good compromise between gamers and developers. 

[Kamagawa]

I don't think developers and publishers even realise that their efforts to stop piracy actually encourage it.

My cousin hasn't baught a single game for 10 years. He only has pirated games and never has to worry about this crap.
I buy the games brand new, and I have do deal with limited installs, invasion of privacy, and other annoyances.

The piracy is less on consoles because you need to chip the machine to use pirated games and the console versions don't encourage piracy.

Steam only monitors steam games so that it registers mods you have downloaded for the steam game and for updating the games..

Good thing I am getting ME3 on 360.

Modifié par Kamagawa, 28 août 2011 - 12:54 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Carfax wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Steam collects only the use of steam itself. Nothing outside of it, part from hardware which you can opt-out. But Origin will according to the EULA scan EVERYTHING.

I agree that EA got overzealous with the terminology in the EULA (which apparently has been changed), but in practice, Origin will be no different than Steam.  The purpose of Origin is for EA to have it's own digital distribution platform and online DRM scheme, without relying on third parties.

That said, lots of software scan your hardrive and send personal information.  This has been ongoing for years now, so I don't see the major problem.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other if you get my meaning..

Perhaps you don't understand the difference between "system information" and "everything on your hard drive". 


And no, I don't have Steam, and I refuse to install or buy any game that requires me to install Steam. 

And as for other software, I avoid what I can and on the rest I restrict its access as much as I can. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 28 août 2011 - 01:20 .

[ETermin]

If it was just hardware I could care less but the internet browsing and installation of games that aren't even EA's information I am worried about. Steam As I am aware only uses your hardware information and game time of games you got from them. origin does not.

[Guldhun2]

ETermin wrote...

If it was just hardware I could care less but the internet browsing and installation of games that aren't even EA's information I am worried about. Steam As I am aware only uses your hardware information and game time of games you got from them. origin does not.

It's not only installation of games that aren't even EA's, it can check every single piece of software on your harddrive according to the EULA. And technically, everything that's on your HDD is software.

Modifié par Guldhun2, 28 août 2011 - 01:30 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Shouldn't something like this be illegal? If they go through with this,I'm taking a pirate copy.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 28 août 2011 - 01:43 .