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[Deathwurm]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Shouldn't something like this be illegal? If they go through with this,I'm taking a pirate copy.

Piracy is NEVER ok!

I feel strongly on this issue as well, so I'll just use EA's "opt out" and not use Origin for anything.

Sale lost and nothing is stolen.

Don't come here and talk about how you'll Pirate the game because that will only serve to get this Thread shut-down and those of us who are trying to find out what the latest news on this is or make a Valid point will be punished!

Modifié par Deathwurm, 28 août 2011 - 02:06 .

[anzolino]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
And no, I don't have Steam, and I refuse to install or buy any game that requires me to install Steam.

And as for other software, I avoid what I can and on the rest I restrict its access as much as I can.

Same here!
And there is another thing about privacy: I can block my data so other users cannot see it - that's fine - but I cannot revoke the permission to collect my data, can I? That's not fine!

[Guldhun2]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

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How many of you believe that EA is stealing your personal information?

They're not stealing it if you click yes or agree.

[FERMi27]

Pointless anyway, Origin is EA's new DRM. Hopefully it'll take less than a year for them to realize their mistake. Rockstar with their Social Club and GTA IV sure made the right conclusion with the latest patch for the game.

[anzolino]

Guldhun2 )

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
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How many of you believe that EA is stealing your personal information?

This isn't about stealing. This is about: These data are my data and only my data and EA don't have to be interested in it! If I want to share it I will but in this case I do not. That is my freely decision.

[anzolino]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Who?

[SalsaDMA]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

anzolino wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Who?

Valve (Steam), Registry Mechanic, Norton Antivirus, etc.

So to make an anology, just because your girl-/boy-friend or the doctor sees you naked, a random guy that sells you muffins can demand to see you naked too to provide his 'service'?

That's just messed up logic mate.

No origin instals for me, under any circumstance. EA can take that crappy idea to the area where the sun never shines and stuff it there for eternity as far as I am concerned. I am not above boycotting another company that alienates its own consumers.

[JGDD]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Maybe you're missing out on what kind of data here. Others have access to certain specific data points IF you allow them. EG: Steam restricts itself and when it does ask for hardware info in survey form it makes it clear what's happening. Software is limited to their products. They do not go digging thru your harddrives(s) looking at whatever they want. The difference is huge.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Not if you're careful about what you install and what you let do what. 

And yes, it is your data.  Just because a lot of people are trying to get it and not enough is being done to stop them, doesn't make it anyone's data but yours and yours alone. 

But please, keep bleating, sheep.

[AwesomePepper67]

stupid

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

So to make an anology, just because your girl-/boy-friend or the doctor sees you naked, a random guy that sells you muffins can demand to see you naked too to provide his 'service'?

That's just messed up logic mate.

That's a fairly bad analogy.

No, it's the perfect anology. 

No one would say "what do you have to hide?" to people who insist that their curtains are closed before they'll change clothes or use the bathroom...

[JGDD]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Maybe you're missing out on what kind of data here. Others have access to certain specific data points IF you allow them. EG: Steam restricts itself and when it does ask for hardware info in survey form it makes it clear what's happening. Software is limited to their products. They do not go digging thru your harddrives(s) looking at whatever they want. The difference is huge.

What about antivirus programs?

What about them? Most antivirus programs tend to not be worse than malware and not send all your info back to the deathstar. They are used to PROTECT YOU from people getting your info.


clarified wording in edit

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 28 août 2011 - 04:05 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. I just need to look at some of the shenanigans that EA has pulled in the past to know that I want as little to do with them as possible.

If EA publishes a game made by Bioware and the only thing I'm installing is the game itself then....yeehaw!

I'm buying myself a EA/Bioware game.

Anything else?


Forget it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

^ The thing is, it's not really your data only. Others have access to it too.

Not if you're careful about what you install and what you let do what. 

And yes, it is your data.  Just because a lot of people are trying to get it and not enough is being done to stop them, doesn't make it anyone's data but yours and yours alone. 

But please, keep bleating, sheep.

It's called business. Deal with it.

Plenty have things have been "just business" that are reprehensible.  Buying and selling other people with the intent of forcing them to work for free was once "just business" too. 

[anzolino]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Valve (Steam), Registry Mechanic, Norton Antivirus, etc.

If you read some posts earlier you could see: ^ nothing of this is installed here.

Besides: If I'm using an anti virus program and download the database I have not to agree to some suspicious EULA for scanning my data and transfer it to somewhere. If I decide to be offline I am offline and I can use the program as well. I cannot use the newest databases of course.
But in this case I cannot use the program at all if I decide: "I do not agree" and I cannot use it whether I bought the hard copy or not. That is the point. And, somebody already mentioned it, I do not know this at the time I buy the hard copy because there is no mention on it! So I will buy a game that I cannot play and then? Great deal! Money for nothing (good old Dire Straits).

The thing is: There was a time I could play with unplugged network cable. I'm a single player so I don't need it.
Then they decided to use online activation to prevent piracy. Ok, I'm going with it and trusted in: they only use the connection to transfer the activation data. I have no problem with that if it's true. Maybe that was my first fault.
Then they decided, i.e. Ubisoft, to force you to use a permanent online connection while you're playing. That was the point I gave Ubisoft up.
And now? Now they want to scan your complete hard and software. That is the point I will give EA and unfortunately BW up.

So, this isn't about prevent piracy or improve some service (If I want their service I will contact them I don't need this forced care). This is about spy on the customer for profit and control them. And I don't like this way.

[Eradyn]

Valve limits Steam's snooping only to Valve/Steam related data. Origin has no such limitation and reserves the "right" to snoop and collect data throughout your entire system, plus your usage behavior, plus controls your data and ultimately your account with them. Origin is far more broad than Steam in capability and permissions, and if someone dislikes Steam, they would really dislike Origin. I don't mind Steam because it keeps to itself and what pertains directly to itself. Origin does not.

[AwesomePepper67]

Eradyn wrote...

Valve limits Steam's snooping only to Valve/Steam related data. Origin has no such limitation and reserves the "right" to snoop and collect data throughout your entire system, plus your usage behavior, plus controls your data and ultimately your account with them. Origin is far more broad than Steam in capability and permissions, and if someone dislikes Steam, they would really dislike Origin. I don't mind Steam because it keeps to itself and what pertains directly to itself. Origin does not.

But I thought Steam could snoop as well.

[elitecom]

Carfax wrote...
Well, this is the way things are going, and it's not really a bad thing imo.  Steam/Origins has it's pros as well.  For instance, if you bought a game from either distributor, then you have access to that game anywhere you have the internet.  You can also install the game on as many machines as you want..

I think services like Steam or Origins is a good compromise between gamers and developers. 

Perhaps, but it should be an optional feature. Not forced upon the player. I know that on Steam you can add games and launch them from Steam, which isn't too bad, but it's optional.