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[Abirn]

And no I'm not going to steal ME3 nor will I pirate it (two different things BTW)

I'm going to purchase it legally and run it in a virtual machine. They cannot collect and sell info that doesn't exist.

[cocla]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

cocla wrote...

Reptillius, earlier in the thread you said there was an opt-out option in the Origin settings to stop the scanning of you computer software and usage. Could you post a screenshot of it, and possible any text explaining what the opt-out covers?

http://forums.marios...hread.php?p=537

" IF YOU INSTALL THE APPLICATION, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS LICENSE ARE FULLY ACCEPTED BY YOU. If you do not agree to any portion of this License, do not install or use the Application. "

Of course, the "application" is required to play the game.

So "do not install" means you cannot play the game.

I didnt mean the EULA (I have read and understand that pretty well), I think Reptillius posted earlier that in the actual Origin program itself, in the settings, there is an opt-out button.  I just wanted to know if there were any screen caps of it, along with any text in the program explaning what parts of the PC scan it allows you to opt out of.

[Ghost Warrior]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Fyk0 wrote...

Damn you EA you're making me torrent ME3, at least I save that 50e

Pirating is bad.

Then I am a very very bad person

[Reptillius]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

cocla wrote...

Reptillius, earlier in the thread you said there was an opt-out option in the Origin settings to stop the scanning of you computer software and usage. Could you post a screenshot of it, and possible any text explaining what the opt-out covers?

http://forums.marios...hread.php?p=537

" IF YOU INSTALL THE APPLICATION, THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS LICENSE ARE FULLY ACCEPTED BY YOU. If you do not agree to any portion of this License, do not install or use the Application. "

Of course, the "application" is required to play the game.

So "do not install" means you cannot play the game.

Again. Linking to inflamatory sources that abuse wording whether it has or has not been changed is not necessarily a credible source of an answer. particularly when said sources have in the recent past been false or wrong about other issues that they reported as absolute fact as well.

Specially when they are things that are in many EULA's and have been for a while. many programs have that kind of statement when you are installing them and have for a while.  Some of them have even gone to the point to try and get you to at least glance and read a little of them to make you scroll to the bottom at least once before you can even just mindlessly click accept.

[billy the squid]

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

I believe that only applies to third party distribution. Anything else on your computer is still fair game for EA.

[Deathwurm]

Inge Shepard wrote...

Of course they know. The question is why don't they give an answer.

We're on the same side of this Inge (that is...we're both against the EA Origin EULA as it still stands now) but I do agree with those that say that this is probably not where we're going to get an answer to the Origin requirements for ME3.

I personally don't believe that Bioware knows...at this point, I don't even think EA knows yet. The Origin EULA seems to be a matter of EA saying "What can we get away with here?" and is most likely still being reviewed and probably has more changes coming.

The EA Forums are full of complaints about the EULA and a lot of Posts there are specifically mentioning cancellation of BF3 orders. I have to imagine there is at least one person in a position of power at EA who is smart enough to realize that most people are not going to take the time to Post their reasons for not buying BF3...they'll simply toss it back on the shelf and spend the money elsewhere. Hopefully, they'll see the lower than expected PC sales for the title and number of pre-order cancellations and put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

If not, I'm quite sure that larger Stores will be contacting them asking why they're doing what they're doing and what EA is going to do about all the complaints and attempted returns they've had to deal with at the Stores.

[MaaZeus]

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

If it really has an option to opt out of detailed information gathering like Steam, then that is a good thing. Hopefully opting out also means that you can install the damn software and play the game, and not just "not installing it" leaving you without the game.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 29 août 2011 - 03:53 .

[billy the squid]

MaaZeus wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

If it really has an option to opt out of detailed information gathering like Steam, then that is a good thing. Hopefully opting out also means that you can install the damn software and play the game, and not just "not installing it" leaving you without the game.

I don't think it is, it is a third party distribution clause opt out, the inital terms for data collection still apply.

[Myaku1313]

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

Ty! *gives cookies*


Wait is it just me or did they reword that EULA in section 2. oThat sure reads a lot better and is a bit more personal. XD

[Reptillius]

anzolino wrote...

Reptillius wrote...
actually No. Bioware is OWNED by EA. That is a difference. It is what could be called a subsidiary. EA being a parent company. Origin goes through EA. not Bioware. Please do consider certain facts or perhaps consider the EA forums themselves. That is where an answer is likely going to end up being to an EA issue. Bioware does not have control over or say in EA issues to my knowledge and so they have no place in commenting on this Issue.

So I read this: Ray Muzyka is General Manager and Vice President at EA in addition to his General Manager/CEO role at BioWare. And now you want tell me that Bioware is not in the situation to say: "Look, EA, our fans don't want this. Can we please take it out for our games?" No, I don't believe this.
Oh, but maybe I should. You're right.

Despite the ways they are linked. Distribution is a choice made by EA.  That is part of their deal for owning and supporting Bioware and the great games that it makes that we have loved for a long time.  If you look at many parent companies and their subsidiaries many of them share upper management at least in some small form.  Under him are probably several managers with more specific titles... Or maybe one of the other managers on his same level deals with overseeing all of Distribution.  There are often layers to management. Specially in big companies. Some things don't necessarily go across their desks unless they really have to.

Thus it becomes easier when dealing with an EA issue like Distribution to actually go to EA about it.  Unfortunately for us the Bioware Forums guys do their best for us but they are generally not working in a position that is on the upper echelons of the totem pole so to speak.  At least to my knowledge.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Well. I just called EA support again and
spoke to a man named Justin.



He told me that a retail bought hard copy of Mass Effect 3 would not require
Origin to be installed in order to play the game.



I asked him to confirm the answer and he said that Origin will “absolutely not
be required to play a hard copy of Mass Effect 3.”



Huzzah!



Let's just hope that Justin knows what he's talking about eh?  An official
confirmation from Bioware would be some nice icing on the cake too.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 29 août 2011 - 03:58 .

[cocla]

MaaZeus wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

If it really has an option to opt out of detailed information gathering like Steam, then that is a good thing. Hopefully opting out also means that you can install the damn software and play the game, and not just "not installing it" leaving you without the game.

Nope, never mind.  It just allows you to opt out of 3rd Party sharing of info.  EA can still collect info on your PC software and use

Well that hope is dashed...

[billy the squid]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...
...

He told me that a retail bought hard copy of Mass Effect 3 would not require
Origin to be installed in order to play the game.


I asked him to confirm the answer and he said that Origin will “absolutely not
be required to play a hard copy of Mass Effect 3.”

Really? EA would allow the system to be circumvented so easily? Very unlikely. As to the second point is this a Ubisoft "dusk will not require online DRM to play...oops, there was some confusion." Until there is some definitive cofirmation rather that pr psychobable I wouldn't trust the EA support staff just yet.

[Deathwurm]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Well. I just called EA support again and
spoke to a man named Justin.



He told me that a retail bought hard copy of Mass Effect 3 would not require
Origin to be installed in order to play the game.



I asked him to confirm the answer and he said that Origin will “absolutely not
be required to play a hard copy of Mass Effect 3.”



Huzzah!



Let's just hope that Justin knows what he's talking about eh?  An official
confirmation from Bioware would be some nice icing on the cake too.

I would take that with a grain of salt.

Having dealt with EA Support in the past and knowing a bit about Customer service in general from having worked in the postion, I can tell you that:

1. They are primarily there to get you off the phone or off-line as quickly as possible, not to assist you.

2. Customer Service at most Companies is the last Department to be told about anything regarding anything about what is going on at the Company.

[anzolino]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...
Well. I just called EA support again and
spoke to a man named Justin.

He told me that a retail bought hard copy of Mass Effect 3 would not require
Origin to be installed in order to play the game.

I asked him to confirm the answer and he said that Origin will “absolutely not
be required to play a hard copy of Mass Effect 3.”

Huzzah!

Let's just hope that Justin knows what he's talking about eh? An official
confirmation from Bioware would be some nice icing on the cake too.

Yes, that would be nice but I don't believe this until I'm reading it on a official license/confirmation.

[billy the squid]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

cocla wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

If it really has an option to opt out of detailed information gathering like Steam, then that is a good thing. Hopefully opting out also means that you can install the damn software and play the game, and not just "not installing it" leaving you without the game.

Nope, never mind.  It just allows you to opt out of 3rd Party sharing of info.  EA can still collect info on your PC software and use

Well that hope is dashed...

And the info they collect isn't personal information.

Nope, you are not personally identifiable, it does not say it is not personal information, read the terms properly.

"The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects"

[Reptillius]

billy the squid wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

If it really has an option to opt out of detailed information gathering like Steam, then that is a good thing. Hopefully opting out also means that you can install the damn software and play the game, and not just "not installing it" leaving you without the game.

I don't think it is, it is a third party distribution clause opt out, the inital terms for data collection still apply.

i haven't looked at it so I'm not sure what all it opts out of.  If you look at DAII just as an example it technically collects all your data whether it sends it or not. Many other games have those little configuration/system detail screens to their games these days.  Those are technically data collection even when they do not leave your computer.  They are also a good example of the kind of data that EA would be collecting in fair point.  Now some of them only update when you actually push an update button somewhere in the configuration stuff. Others collect those kind of details automatically from master settings/lists in the OS software.

Despite the rage against it in many of these forums. That data is a good thing. Bioware listens to us very well on story elements and game play and stuff certainly. But that is only part of the equation to making good games. That kind of non-specific data as time goes on actually lets them calculate and create more advanced games with better capability of taking advantage of our hardware when they create something like say DAIII or say ME Universe united or a new franchise or whatever.

I understand where some of the rage and desire for privacy comes from but at the same time Not everything they ask for is some kind of Devil's bargain.  What our systems are capable of plays a part in the forward movement of the industry as well. 

[elitecom]

anzolino wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...
Well. I just called EA support again and
spoke to a man named Justin.

He told me that a retail bought hard copy of Mass Effect 3 would not require
Origin to be installed in order to play the game.

I asked him to confirm the answer and he said that Origin will “absolutely not
be required to play a hard copy of Mass Effect 3.”

Huzzah!

Let's just hope that Justin knows what he's talking about eh? An official
confirmation from Bioware would be some nice icing on the cake too.

Yes, that would be nice but I don't believe this until I'm reading it on a official license/confirmation.

Yeah I'd like a secondary source to confirm this as well, yet I feel a bit more assured.

[anzolino]

@Inge: you too

@The Big Bad Wolf: How can you know it isn't personal? They don't say what they scan and collect.

[Reptillius]

Myaku1313 wrote...

Reptillius wrote...

forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7489278.page

The afformentioned post in the EA forums themselves.  Be forwarned. many of the responses in it are the same angry responses and individual threats to the company as espoused in this thread and others but there are answers in it.

Ty! *gives cookies*


Wait is it just me or did they reword that EULA in section 2. oThat sure reads a lot better and is a bit more personal. XD

It has actually been reworded a bit a couple of times to be a bit clearer. Something that many are still outraging over the initial part are not taking into account unfortunately. I could be mean and say it's because their gamercritic site overlords are not actually reporting those changes because it doesn't suit them but the realistic side of me knows that that is not the case. 

Many people just need something to complain about and tend to hold onto things reguardless and the nature of the internet tends to be third hand information at best sadly.  We'll probably see this make its way through the internet and pop up 6 or 7 months from now like it's a brand new thing somehow.