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[TwistedComplex]

Clonedzero wrote...
EA is making their push with origin, and i think its going to make them lose alot of money.

Oh look another marketeer!

[billy the squid]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

I said it once and I'll say it again.



Read the Terms and Conditions.

[TwistedComplex]

Shinian2 wrote...

I'm going to be reading the EULA more closely from now on

[Pepper4]

Steam is no different.

[TwistedComplex]

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 29 août 2011 - 11:03 .

[billy the squid]

Pepper4 wrote...

Steam is no different.

Does no one read the terms and conditions in the EULA or privacy policies anymore?

[Clonedzero]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
EA is making their push with origin, and i think its going to make them lose alot of money.

Oh look another marketeer!

someones bitter, relax cholo. its all good.

[Clonedzero]

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

rofl wow dude, spread more misinformation

[TwistedComplex]

Clonedzero wrote...
rofl wow dude, spread more misinformation

"ROFL like wow dude, totally like, omg wow man dude bro like wow"

Nice argument you have there, BRO

How about you get off the forums and read the f***in EULA yourself

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 29 août 2011 - 11:06 .

[billy the squid]

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

Clearly you read and failed to comprehend, as neither steam nor internet explorer goes rummaging around for data of an undisclosed nature, not linked with the developer's software application on my hard drive or software. And I don't like Steam's data collection much either.

[TwistedComplex]

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

Clearly you read and failed to comprehend, as neither steam nor internet explorer goes rummaging around for data of an undisclosed nature, not linked with the developer's software application on my hard drive or software. And I don't like Steam's data collection much either.

Oh really?


http://pc.gamespy.co.../1191030p1.html


You can close the thread now

[Killjoy Cutter]

TwistedComplex is just here to troll for the lolz.

[anzolino]

@billy
It's just another troll. If he cannot read (if he could he would see all the explanations above) and want to understand it, let him go.

Pepper4 wrote...
Steam is no different.

I don't have steam. So, for me it is different indeed.

[TwistedComplex]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TwistedComplex is just here to troll for the lolz.

Oh yeah, telling people facts is such a troll move.

Then again, in this backwater society I'm sure facts are pretty unbelievable to a lot of people

[Killjoy Cutter]

ladyvader wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The day I can't get a hard copy of software is the day I stop buying software. 

I suggest you read this article.  They will in the future get rid of discs.  Me and some of my friends have been talking about this very thing for about a year now.

I used to work in computer repair and retail.  I've been reading about "the end of physical media" for almost 10 years. 

That said, if they want my money, they'll me a disk.

[Reptillius]

Clonedzero wrote...

EAs current plan is probably exactly that. hopefully there will be a big anti-origin backlash with BF3.

its kinda mindboggling how stupid EA is being with all of this.

like with BF3 you have to run origin and run a web browser to launch the damn game...

EA is making their push with origin, and i think its going to make them lose alot of money. aside from BF3 and ME3, they have absolutely nothing that people will want to bother with origin for.

another thing people should be aware of, is that other big name titles that are coming out are going to be using steamworks, which most of the PC community loves. (skyrim, MW3), so thats bethesda and activision working closely with valve. EA however is all "i want my own spyware i mean game launcher!"

I'm not sure how steam does it but this might not totally be true. When you go online with these games you may be going back to Bethesda or Activisions servers and not a Valve server at all.  Which would then mean really all they are working with valve for is distribution of a product. not as closely as you might think on that end.

[Killjoy Cutter]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TwistedComplex is just here to troll for the lolz.

Oh yeah, telling people facts is such a troll move.

Then again, in this backwater society I'm sure facts are pretty unbelievable to a lot of people

Right into an insult, thus proving my point for me, and very effectively.  Thanks. 

We've been discussing what other software does and does not do for most of the 25 pages of this thread. 

Get back under your bridge. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 29 août 2011 - 11:19 .

[sephiroth199127]

I just want to throw in if it hasn't been said that they changed Terms and Conditions.

Now excuse me while i get back in my bunker, there is fight and i don't like it,all this yelling makes me cry.

[Alexnssilent]

JMKnave wrote...

The TOS and EULA exist for one purpose only; to legally cover EA from any and all lawsuits.

It is in their best interest to make their policy stipulations vague and/or broad so that they cover the widest possible circumstances.

If you believe that the TOS and EULA exist to protect and/or help you the customer, you are mistaken.

Legislative privacy laws only protect your personal information from the government collecting/using it. They do not protect you from companies or other citizens collecting/using that information. Each person is responsible for the protection of their own personal information. By installing Origin, you are entering into a legal binding contract with EA which allows them to collect certain information about you and your system and use it in whatever manner they see fit so long as it is not "personally identifiable".

Not "personally identifiable" can be as simple as changing your real name "John Smith" on your account to your gamer nick "JSGamer1223" when sharing with third parties. The rest of the information can stay exactly the same such as age, sex, birthdate, phone, facebook, youtube, twitter, email, etc.

This is not very reassuring. It is very easy for people to link certain pieces of information together to trace it back to the original source. Case in point is Blizzard's recent attempt to change their customer accounts to show people's real names on the forums. This was met by a huge negative response and even the disclosure of certain Blizzard Executive's personal phone numbers, addresses, and up to their kids personal information as retaliation.

Why is EA doing this now though?

Origin is part of EA's new program to increase revenue for their shareholders. They want to create a social gaming network site like Facebook but for gamers. This is why your EA account is being changed to an Origin account. Eventually you'll have to log on to Origin for all their games. You'll be able to post your pics/tags/like/dislike/tweets on your pages or your friend's pages through your pc, mobile phone, tablet, gaming console, etc.

They will also use this model to push DLCs to you through an online store option. I mean, why sell your customer a complete game when you can sell them half a game at full price and then market another 5 DLCs to them after the fact if they want to experience the full story? The store will also have lots of "new costume/fluff" packs that you can buy to change the appearance of your character/npcs. And along with that will come all the header/footer/side panel advertising they can stuff into a webpage.

It's all about the collection of personal information that they can use to advertise with. Either directly by EA or by selling your information to third parties that want to market their DLC/fluff to you.

Maybe in the near future, we can log into Mass Effect 5 and have Sheppard pause in the middle of a conversation to tell us how cool and refreshing Pepsi is and that it is definitely his favourite drink on the Citadel.



I am not a fan of the current Origin TOS or EULA.

I am expecting you not to buy any future EA games that are linked to Origin, since this appears to be bothering you so much, am I right? or are you just all talk and no action?

[TwistedComplex]

anzolino wrote...

@billy
It's just another troll. If he cannot read (if he could he would see all the explanations above) and want to understand it, let him go.

Pepper4 wrote...
Steam is no different.

I don't have steam. So, for me it is different indeed.

"LA LA LA LA TROLL LA LA LA LA"

Fixed that for you

[Reptillius]

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

Clearly you read and failed to comprehend, as neither steam nor internet explorer goes rummaging around for data of an undisclosed nature, not linked with the developer's software application on my hard drive or software. And I don't like Steam's data collection much either.

i'd be careful making statements like this because even if you don't officially use internet explorer you still use at least parts of it when you use your computer.  Internet explorer is imbedded in the OS since some time long about XP... Certain parts of it are only brought into use when you use it as a web browser itself but parts of it are involved in things like viewing your folders and such as well. Linked through several program names...

[billy the squid]

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Wow it does the same thing that Steam and Firefox does


ALERT THE F***IN NAVY

Read the Terms and Conditions.

I already read the terms and conditions, and it's the same as steam, firefox, internet explorer, even windows. Maybe you need to pay attention more

Clearly you read and failed to comprehend, as neither steam nor internet explorer goes rummaging around for data of an undisclosed nature, not linked with the developer's software application on my hard drive or software. And I don't like Steam's data collection much either.

Oh really?


http://pc.gamespy.co.../1191030p1.html


You can close the thread now

Congratulations you linked to an article which has the revised EULA, which still retains the same undisclosed data mining clause. And missed the point entirely, I'm not going to imply anything regarding your reading skills, but you certainly aren't strengthening your position.

[TwistedComplex]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TwistedComplex is just here to troll for the lolz.

Oh yeah, telling people facts is such a troll move.

Then again, in this backwater society I'm sure facts are pretty unbelievable to a lot of people

Right into an insult, thus proving my point for me, and very effectively.  Thanks. 

Get back under your bridge. 

Yep that's me. I didn't post links or anything that prove my point, but you don't want to hear about that do you? No lets all blindey jump on the hate wagon without knowing the real facts

[TwistedComplex]

billy the squid wrote...

Congratulations you linked to an article which has the revised EULA, which still retains the same undisclosed data mining clause. And missed the point entirely, I'm not going to imply anything regarding your reading skills, but you certainly aren't strengthening your position.

Its the same as Steam and Firefox. Jesus Christ get that through your head

"By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. "

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 29 août 2011 - 11:22 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

There's a reason I won't install or use Steam...