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[Osiris273]

I hope Bioware listens to their fans, and not to screw us with Origin.

[anzolino]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
What the hell is Origin and why haven't I heard of it till now?

You should have heard about it. Your EA account was converted to an Origin-account months ago.
Origin is the new online platform to provide EA's services. It is also an online store where you can buy EA products. The new and "customer friendly" service will now be delivered with EA's software as an independent program but as a part of the EA games. You have to install it if you install the game. This Origin program on your computer is quite different to your online account on Origin. They are connected of course to identify you and your purchases.
On the Origin online account you don't have to share informations you don't want to share. You simply don't put these infos in your online profile. But the Origin program on your PC want to send and share every software you have installed and the usage of it. And I assume not only this.
This in brief is Origin.

[anzolino]

EternalPink, regarding to your law objections... this is interesting for all of us:
If the following would'nt be law I would laughing verry loudly. We don't have to look at the Data Protection Act at all - in my opinion the EULA fails in front of the following.

Here we go to UK law: The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations. It's quite the same as the European directive.

(...)
Misleading omissions
6.—(1) A commercial practice is a misleading omission if, in its factual context, taking account of the matters in paragraph (2)—

(a) the commercial practice omits material information,

( the commercial practice hides material information,

© the commercial practice provides material information in a manner which is unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely, or

(d) the commercial practice fails to identify its commercial intent, unless this is already apparent from the context,...

Aggressive commercial practices

7.—(1) A commercial practice is aggressive if, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances—

(a) it significantly impairs or is likely significantly to impair the average consumer’s freedom of choice or conduct in relation to the product concerned through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence; and

( it thereby causes or is likely to cause him to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise (...)

Uhhm, perhaps I miss something?

I'm not a lawyer but somebody else could explain this correctly?

I explain this for myself:

6a: EA informed not about
- seperating personal data from non personal data
- protecting data for improper use (we look at Sony and Nokia)
- type/use of data transfer encryption

6c: unclear/ambiguous is
- which data will be collected -> software and software usage is a vague term
- the need of collecting the data in this way -> there are many other ways to get this information, to get the data in this way is not needed
- the impact of forced updates or additional installed programs to the PC

7a: Even if it's the customers choice not to use EA's software he has not the choice to protect himself against (if he is using the program):
- harassment through advertisment
- coercion of forced updates
- undue influence of automatically installed software

7b: The customer doesn't know the EULA at the time he will buy the product. In my case it means: If I would noticed about the EULA I would'nt buy the product -> "a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise".

I really hope BW will not expect their fans/customers to take this and will protect them. Some of them want to play BW games furthermore and exactly this is the reason we are against this EULA. But if EA forced this kind of spying and controlling they cannot play BW games because they wouldn't buy the games - like many of them have declared already (including myself to ME3). This would really be sad.

Any further suggestions?

[anzolino]

Here is another reason to keep your privacy: Dirt 3 leaked keys. Poor Steam users and poor DiRT purchaser!

And this is for the topic: If ME3 requires Origin how the data will be protected so that we will not be trapped in a leak like this?

[Calistrata]

anzolino wrote...
And this is for the topic: If ME3 requires Origin how the data will be protected so that we will not be trapped in a leak like this?

This is what id like to know aswell. if they are going to steamroll origin on us id love to know it wont become another Sony incident.

Im kinda wondering if they are going to force origin on us for older games aswell, like ME2/DA2 dlcs. if i for example get a new computor and want to install my already bought dlcs. or someone who buys them new.

I do not want this on my PC, but i am willing to wait end see if any word will be said on this, if at all. or if its just going to be another suck it up PC gamer who cant afford a 360 or ps3 as an alternative platform for my games.

[Unionhack]

And people were saying I was stupid for buying ME2 for PS3.

[Gatt9]

Calistrata wrote...

anzolino wrote...
And this is for the topic: If ME3 requires Origin how the data will be protected so that we will not be trapped in a leak like this?

This is what id like to know aswell. if they are going to steamroll origin on us id love to know it wont become another Sony incident.

Im kinda wondering if they are going to force origin on us for older games aswell, like ME2/DA2 dlcs. if i for example get a new computor and want to install my already bought dlcs. or someone who buys them new.

I do not want this on my PC, but i am willing to wait end see if any word will be said on this, if at all. or if its just going to be another suck it up PC gamer who cant afford a 360 or ps3 as an alternative platform for my games.

Actually,  it's a bigger problem than that.

Origins is a program that scans your drive and monitors your programs.  It is listening for commands issued from EA.

So all that has to happen,  and probably will happen,  is someone reverse engineers what they drop on your computer.  Figures out how the commands are issued,  and from there they could either assume control of the whole thing,  or potentially even inject their own code to implement keyloggers.

The "Sony account" issue is the least of the problems,  With the abilities Origins has and the vulnerability of it's implementation,  the potential for malicious damage is enough to make Sony look like a happy event.

[anzolino]

Inge Shepard wrote...
@If you have all the install files, will this not be a problem with ME2, for installing on a new computer. If you need to download a digitalversion over again for reinstall. Then you're trapped.

What about the DLCs and the Cerberus Network? Are they affected too? Are they going through Origin now?

Gatt9 wrote...
The "Sony account" issue is the least of the problems, With the abilities Origins has and the vulnerability of it's implementation, the potential for malicious damage is enough to make Sony look like a happy event.

Yes, it would look like a minor accident. I wonder if EA already has calculated these costs in their risk analysises. Sony lost $170? The costs would grow up to new dimensions with all the losses in revenue through canceled pre-orders or not bought games and actions for damages. I doubt that the revenues received from Origins "provide and improve services" can compensate this kind of new user enhancement.

[EternalPink]

still no answer on the thread about this on the EA board either

[Johnsen1972]

EA is just sitting it out.

I will cancel my preorder of the ME3 collectors edition, if I have to play with Origins. Trust me, you will loose a loyal customer who bought all Bioware games since BG1.
Customers should be treated with respect. And not spied or sold out to maximise profits.

Does EA really think that they can force people to give up their privacy for one good game?
You can get a "cracked" copy of all Bioware games in the internet. With all DLC's for free. Just google it.
I never used those because I always wanted to support companies like Bioware.
But Im not giving up my privacy for ME3.
No thanks

I will look for other companies to support.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 11 septembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Takio]

This is why I play on the Xbox.

[Ahglock]

Takio wrote...

This is why I play on the Xbox.

That or the PS3 is where I will be moving my game if Origin is required to play.  But since all of my saves are on the PC I will wait until it is $20 because I am irritated as hell about it.

[Azbeszt]

Didn't even know about this Origin thing until now.. quite shocking actually. Battlefield 3 can go to hell. Good thing I didn't download this piece of s*** software..

[anzolino]

Unfortunately PS3 will not help you to get out of this:

aang001 wrote...
Just tried going back into ME2 on PS3... it's there too... You have to accept Origin in order to use the C-Net. Best part is...If you agree on PS3...you agree to give them access to all info and data on it and you PC, Mobile etc. If you have a account here and your typing in this forum...You're using origin! Great!!! I wasnt going to accept the new terms, but just being here typing about it means we must have accepted it or they changed us to one at some point. When you start giving video game companies more power than the government, you got to start wandering what are we doing with our lives?

[Robhuzz]

Preston Violent wrote...

EternalPink wrote...

still no answer on the thread about this on the EA board either

It's a major spoiler, kind of like with LI's, so you'll know only when the game is released

At this time I'm glad I live in Europe. Gives Americans 3 days to crack the game so that when I find ME3 in my mailbox I hope there's a crack available that lets me install and play without installing useless spyware on my pc first.

[Azbeszt]

Robhuzz wrote...

Preston Violent wrote...

EternalPink wrote...

still no answer on the thread about this on the EA board either

It's a major spoiler, kind of like with LI's, so you'll know only when the game is released

At this time I'm glad I live in Europe. Gives Americans 3 days to crack the game so that when I find ME3 in my mailbox I hope there's a crack available that lets me install and play without installing useless spyware on my pc first.

this.

[Zakatak757]

No Steam, no buy.

Okay, that's lie, but Origin is a piece of software I do not want on my computer.

[Kharkov]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

EA is just sitting it out.

I will cancel my preorder of the ME3 collectors edition, if I have to play with Origins. Trust me, you will loose a loyal customer who bought all Bioware games since BG1.
Customers should be treated with respect. And not spied or sold out to maximise profits.

Does EA really think that they can force people to give up their privacy for one good game?
You can get a "cracked" copy of all Bioware games in the internet. With all DLC's for free. Just google it.
I never used those because I always wanted to support companies like Bioware.
But Im not giving up my privacy for ME3.
No thanks

I will look for other companies to support.

Agree 100%

 The mere fact that good honest gamers who for years have been purchasing software legally are "punished" by being forced to install what amounts to nothing more than Data Harvesting software reveals this whole subject for what it really is.

 Software Piracy has been deliberately blown out of all proportion by software companies with the sole intention of using it as the hammer that drives through the nail of forced spyware installations for the sole purpose of Data Harvesting, with the intention of then selling that Data to third parties.

 The simple truth of the matter is this, if the sole concern was whether you, as a gamer had been a good little boy or girl, and purchased your software legally, then why are they selling harvested Data to third parties ?

 Of course the answer to that is money, as it always is.

 Ask yourself one question, and answer it honestly, would you as a PC user, willingly install this spyware (for want of a better term, in my mind it is spyware, plain and simple) on your PC if you had no intention of purchasing the latest, greatest hyped up game from whatever software company, lets use Me3 as an example,

 So we get - Would you willingly install this spyware on your PC if you were not going to purchase Me3 ?

 Of course you would not, it's bloody spyware.

 The simple truth of the matter is that Game Addiction, ie the overwhelming desire to play a game is being used to blatantly force through the installation of spyware, with the sole aim of harvesting data and then selling that data to a third party.

 This has nothing to do with Software Piracy, it never did have, and it will never will have anything to do with software piracy, it's a sham, it's a lie, it's a farce, and it's all about money, cheap easy money at the gamers expense.

 Just my opinion.

 Regards.

[Niddy']

Osiris273 wrote...

I hope Bioware listens to their fans, and not to screw us with Origin.

EA bought out Bioware, you think they have any say in the direction of their marketing?

This WILL be on Origin and you WILL accept it; this is the gaming of the future.