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[Aeowyn]

I haven't pre-ordered the game yet and won't do it until we get an answer from BioWare or EA regarding this.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Niddy' wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

I hope Bioware listens to their fans, and not to screw us with Origin.

EA bought out Bioware, you think they have any say in the direction of their marketing?

This WILL be on Origin and you WILL accept it; this is the gaming of the future.

What I will "Accept" in that scenario is the fact that I won't be buying anymore Bioware games for the PC.

I'll also "Accept" the crappy secondary option of waiting to buy a used copy of ME3 to play on the 360 and then be done with Bioware after I finish the game.

That means I'll also have to "Accept" not buying any of the DLC or anything else associated with the game but, oh well, so be it.

If Origin is required EA/Bioware will never get another cent of my money.

I'm only one fan. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 11 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[anzolino]

Niddy' wrote...
This WILL be on Origin and you WILL accept it; this is the gaming of the future.

Then it will be not a part of my gaming future because I will NOT accept it.

[Gatt9]

Kharkov wrote...
 Of course you would not, it's bloody spyware.

 The simple truth of the matter is that Game Addiction, ie the overwhelming desire to play a game is being used to blatantly force through the installation of spyware, with the sole aim of harvesting data and then selling that data to a third party.

 This has nothing to do with Software Piracy, it never did have, and it will never will have anything to do with software piracy, it's a sham, it's a lie, it's a farce, and it's all about money, cheap easy money at the gamers expense.

 Just my opinion.

 Regards.

You're on the right track,  but I don't think you're seeing the big picture...

EA scans your system,  catalogs all files,  music,  movies,  games,  and those that match pirated ID's get filed away.  Then EA goes to the RIAA,  MPAA,  and ISDA,  and offers for sale access to their database of confirmed pirated media and who has it.  Without the ambiguity of IP addy confusion,  each account is tied to one specific person,  so there can't be any "Suing a grandma" confusion.

EA makes a ton of money,  gamers get lawsuit papers left and right.

There's a reason why EA has that class action clause in there,  the only way it makes sense is if it's there to keep them from getting sued when people start getting the litigation letters.  EA's anticipating trouble down the road,  which means they're up to far more than they admit to.

[Computer_God91]

Seriously, if anything requires origin to play I won't be buying it. I love the Mass Effect games but I won't buy it if it means installing something that is going to scan my computer and sell all the info to some third party.

[Rabenkopf]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

I'm only one fan. But I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.

correct

Modifié par Not_Zero, 11 septembre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Kharkov]

Gatt9 wrote...

Kharkov wrote...
 Of course you would not, it's bloody spyware.

 The simple truth of the matter is that Game Addiction, ie the overwhelming desire to play a game is being used to blatantly force through the installation of spyware, with the sole aim of harvesting data and then selling that data to a third party.

 This has nothing to do with Software Piracy, it never did have, and it will never will have anything to do with software piracy, it's a sham, it's a lie, it's a farce, and it's all about money, cheap easy money at the gamers expense.

 Just my opinion.

 Regards.

You're on the right track,  but I don't think you're seeing the big picture...

EA scans your system,  catalogs all files,  music,  movies,  games,  and those that match pirated ID's get filed away.  Then EA goes to the RIAA,  MPAA,  and ISDA,  and offers for sale access to their database of confirmed pirated media and who has it.  Without the ambiguity of IP addy confusion,  each account is tied to one specific person,  so there can't be any "Suing a grandma" confusion.

EA makes a ton of money,  gamers get lawsuit papers left and right.

There's a reason why EA has that class action clause in there,  the only way it makes sense is if it's there to keep them from getting sued when people start getting the litigation letters.  EA's anticipating trouble down the road,  which means they're up to far more than they admit to.

100% Agree again.

 When I said that this has nothing to do with Software Piracy I meant in the context that software companies are using scare tactics to force through the installation of spyware.

 First they do this by claiming that software piracy is hurting the games industry, they claim that piracy is putting software companies out of business, they play the guilt card to the honest gamer who is quite willing to purchase games, they insist that if the gamer wants to carry on playing great games they must submit to installing spyware.

 Truth of the matter, If your a software campany and you make good games that people want to buy and play, your sales will cover the small percentage of piracy.

 If on the other hand, your a software company and you make bad games, hyped games, trash games, then your products will not sell, and you will go bust, just the same as any other company that makes bad products will go bust, thats market forces, harsh but true.

 The selling of Harvested Data to a third party will always reveal this subject for what it really is, the exploitation of a law abiding  majority within the context of a law breaking minority.

 Or to put it another way, dubious and devious companies using the actions of a minority to exploit the majority for the purpose of profit.

 I am looking forward to hearing what EA,Bioware have to say on this subject tbh.

 I think first of all we can expect a bunch of fake id EA employee's to show up and start spouting the standard party line, which pritty much goes like this -

 "If you have nothing to hide, then simply install our software (spyware) and play our latest greatest hyped up game."

 And that roughly translates to this -

 "Your a good honest gamer, but just install this spyware and then you can play our game, while we have a root round in your system, pull out all your data and track your activity, then sell it to a third party, yeah just be a good little gamer, go on..........awwwww please."

 F**k that.

[ETermin]

another point that just popped up is that since this is software origin can be hacked and in turn all your data will be taken sold, and used. This is not just an issue of Privacy but also security.

on a different note if someone wants to create a survey and send it out for Bioware and EA to see we may get it repealed before it happens if it has not already happened.

[Siegdrifa]

EA must love to collect data, here is one of my experience.
I was intrested in purshasing Dead Space 2 (the game just came out at that time), but since it's EA, i wanted to know about the DRM (this is actualy what's make me buy or pass on a game).
I had no internet so i called EA customer support phone line (free anyway).

I clearly mentioned that i was intrested in Dead Space 2 but i don't own the game, i wanted to ask a few question about how the DRM works, and here is the discution.

EA support: "you want to have some informations about Dead Space 2, sure, can you give me your name please ?"

Me : "my name ? ... well my name is xxxxxxxx" (for polite use i guess.... m'okay)

EA support: "what is your family name ?"

Me "Sorry ?"

EA support: "what is your family name please ?"

Me: "Look, i have just a few question, what's the use of knowing my full name ?"

EA support: "before i answer your question i need to know you name, family name, phone number and adress where you live"

Me: "WHAT ? i just want to ask 2 questions about a video game that i'm not sure to buy in the end and you want to make a whole file to answer a simple question ?"

EA support (a little pissed) "well, i have to prove to my boss that i'm not using the phone for personnal use you see"

Me (not trusting the guy): "I didn't know that EA was so harsh with their employes, but when calling the line, it's says all the call are recorded for quality service, so don't tell me you need to make a file on me to prove you are not using the line for your personnal matters"

EA support (owned): "well we need to make a file in case you call back and need help for the same product, it's more easy for us and better for you."

ME (laughting from the bs he just said): "yeah right, sorry but i won't give you my personnal data as you please, i'll wait for my internet to get back and i'll find the answer on some forum, have a good day"
then i cuted the line.

I stayed polite and civil on the phone, no doub the guy have his orders, but what i was realy thinking is F*U !

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Sons of Horus]

Has there been any updates on this?

[JGDD]

Preston Violent wrote...

Keep whatever you have to hide on external drives and make sure their not plugged in whenever you play an EA game. It does suck that ur kinda forced to do this, but if all of the above is true, you don't have much choice, do you?

While that is certainly one option, you shouldn't need to resort to these means just to play a game. And don't kid yourself, the crackers will have the game a month before it's on sale anywhere working on how to bypass Origin. It's not even for profit, it's for the challenge and pretty much showing corporate world that they aren't going to get away with this kind of business practice.

That said, I'd rather not have to do the harddrive swap-a-roo (though I have stacks of them and it's painless) or find a crack that shunts Origin. I just want to buy and play the game.

[Computer_God91]

Let's assume ME3 requires origin to play. Is there a way to get around it? aside from piracy?

[Siegdrifa]

Sons of Horus wrote...

Has there been any updates on this?

I'm sure we will see a "Bioware" logo on the post when they will tell us.

ME3 is still far away from the release, and i'm sure Bioware are not eager to know (because i'm not sure they have the power to choose) what it will be.

I'm sure that they will monitor Battle Field 3 before they make any real decision concerning ME3.
If it is a big succes, the probability to ME3 to be Origin only will be higher.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:26 .

[Computer_God91]

Siegdrifa wrote...

I'm sure that they will monitor Battle Field 3 before they make any real decision concerning ME3.
If it is a big succes, the probability to ME3 to be Origin only will be higher.

I was going to buy BF3 until I heard it required Origin. Now I'm not. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Here's hoping that BF3 flops, as much as I'd like to see the death of CoD.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Computer_God91]

Preston Violent wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Let's assume ME3 requires origin to play. Is there a way to get around it? aside from piracy?

Actually, no. It's not the first time though when honest buyers are treated a lot worse than anyone who'd download a pirate copy.  So decide for yourself....

I wouldn't want to pirate ME3 but if it comes down to it I can't promise I won't.

[Siegdrifa]

Preston Violent wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Let's assume ME3 requires origin to play. Is there a way to get around it? aside from piracy?

Actually, no. It's not the first time though when honest buyers are treated a lot worse than anyone who'd download a pirate copy.  So decide for yourself....

Falling to piracy is bad ....

The devs need to be respected (buy their product), as much as the costumer need to be treated with the same respect.
If there is no mutual respect...

[Shadowrun1177]

 Ok I've got a question about this Origin debate and why is it still going on. I did a search online to see news on it cause my connection was down for a few months and didn't know all this had come up. Anyways it sounds like people are still worried about the Origins being spyware. Well during my search I came across the Origin wiki, and according to it the EULA was changed on August 24th 2011 here's a quote : On August 24 2011, EA revised its End User License Agreement, removing several of the controversial sections. They released a statement saying that they had no intention to sell marketing data to third parties, nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PCs. The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected data to third party users, and clarified that they would only collect application data related to Origin itself." This was apparently taken from a gamespot report by Brendan Sinclair. Here's a link to the article http://uk.gamespot.c...s/6331203.html . 
Sounds like this debate should be over and a non-issue now but people are still raging about it. Other programs collect data related to themselves for things like crash logs and such.

[Siegdrifa]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 Ok I've got a question about this Origin debate and why is it still going on. I did a search online to see news on it cause my connection was down for a few months and didn't know all this had come up. Anyways it sounds like people are still worried about the Origins being spyware. Well during my search I came across the Origin wiki, and according to it the EULA was changed on August 24th 2011 here's a quote : On August 24 2011, EA revised its End User License Agreement, removing several of the controversial sections. They released a statement saying that they had no intention to sell marketing data to third parties, nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PCs. The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected data to third party users, and clarified that they would only collect application data related to Origin itself." This was apparently taken from a gamespot report by Brendan Sinclair. Here's a link to the article http://uk.gamespot.c...s/6331203.html . 
Sounds like this debate should be over and a non-issue now but people are still raging about it. Other programs collect data related to themselves for things like crash logs and such.

Thanks for the info, i wasn't aware of it.
Still, i hope i can play Off line, not loose my right to play the games even 2, 3 or 4 years after the last time i played it, and i want to be able to turn off the collecting data related to Origin (same as i cut collected data from option for their games or games of other company).

[swenson]

Well, technically there is a way around it whereby you could take the moral high ground and give Bioware money while not using Origin--purchase the game legally, but don't install that copy. Instead, wait for the cracked version and install that. In that case, you DID pay for it, so you could argue that there's nothing wrong with installing the cracked version. But YMMV. (your morals may vary, in this case )

If Origin is required, I might think about this, if people are still saying creepy things about it. I would hate to do it, but... yeah. The stuff I've heard about Origin just scares me too much.

EDIT: If that stuff is true, then maybe I'd buy it normally. Still annoyed I'm going to have to juggle two separate programs (Origin and Steam), though.

Modifié par swenson, 12 septembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Gatt9]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

 Ok I've got a question about this Origin debate and why is it still going on. I did a search online to see news on it cause my connection was down for a few months and didn't know all this had come up. Anyways it sounds like people are still worried about the Origins being spyware. Well during my search I came across the Origin wiki, and according to it the EULA was changed on August 24th 2011 here's a quote : On August 24 2011, EA revised its End User License Agreement, removing several of the controversial sections. They released a statement saying that they had no intention to sell marketing data to third parties, nor install software akin to spyware on its customers PCs. The specific changes to the EULA removed EA's right to transfer collected data to third party users, and clarified that they would only collect application data related to Origin itself." This was apparently taken from a gamespot report by Brendan Sinclair. Here's a link to the article http://uk.gamespot.c...s/6331203.html . 
Sounds like this debate should be over and a non-issue now but people are still raging about it. Other programs collect data related to themselves for things like crash logs and such.

Actually,  it's still very much an issue for three reasons...

1.  Reading the EULA on EA's site in the US doesn't reflect those changes,  it looks like those changes are Euro only.  Which isn't surprising because some Euro countries have much more stringent privacy laws.

2.  EA's pulling a fast one,  even on the Euro's.  If you read the EULA carefully,  you'll note that they "Anonymize" you,  but they assign your computer a unique identifier.  Sure,  they won't give anyone your name.  They'll give them your computer's name and address instead.  Same end result as giving your name.

3.  EA says they won't sell your data for marketing puposes.  The RIAA,  MPAA,  and ISDA aren't marketing companies.

Gotta read between the lines there,  don't read what EA's saying,  read what EA's not saying.  That whole EULA is very specifically worded to give you the impression that it's benign while actually maintaining the ability to do whatever they want.

Edit:

Note,  if you read the EULA,  it still says that EA has the right to scan your "Media".  In the computer world,  media includes but is not limited to:  Hard Drive,  CD/DVD ROM,  SSD,  Flash drives,  Flash chips,  External drives.  Conceivably,  since many pieces of hardware act as Flash drives when connected,  such as Droids,  they fall under the jurisdiction of EA's EULA too.  EA's reserving the right to scan anything you plug into your computer.  Nor will externals save you,  as long as the app is installed,  as soon as it's connected,  it's scannable.

Modifié par Gatt9, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[Computer_God91]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Preston Violent wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

Let's assume ME3 requires origin to play. Is there a way to get around it? aside from piracy?

Actually, no. It's not the first time though when honest buyers are treated a lot worse than anyone who'd download a pirate copy.  So decide for yourself....

Falling to piracy is bad ....

The devs need to be respected (buy their product), as much as the costumer need to be treated with the same respect.
If there is no mutual respect...

Then the devs don't deserve the money they want. Trust me I'm anti-piracy, I don't do it ever but if companies want to do things I don't support then I won't support them.

swenson wrote...

Well, technically there is a way around it whereby you could take the moral high ground and give Bioware money while not using Origin--purchase the game legally, but don't install that copy. Instead, wait for the cracked version and install that. In that case, you DID pay for it, so you could argue that there's nothing wrong with installing the cracked version. But YMMV. (your morals may vary, in this case )

If Origin is required, I might think about this, if people are still saying creepy things about it. I would hate to do it, but... yeah. The stuff I've heard about Origin just scares me too much.

EDIT: If that stuff is true, then maybe I'd buy it normally. Still annoyed I'm going to have to juggle two separate programs (Origin and Steam), though.

Yea, if they removed all that crap then I'll buy the hard copy and just NEVER use origin. No what you suggest doesn't bug my morals. If you buy it legally then use a cracked version to bypass something you don't support I don't see the harm in it.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 12 septembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[Computer_God91]

Gatt9 wrote...

Actually,  it's still very much an issue for three reasons...

1.  Reading the EULA on EA's site in the US doesn't reflect those changes,  it looks like those changes are Euro only.  Which isn't surprising because some Euro countries have much more stringent privacy laws.

2.  EA's pulling a fast one,  even on the Euro's.  If you read the EULA carefully,  you'll note that they "Anonymize" you,  but they assign your computer a unique identifier.  Sure,  they won't give anyone your name.  They'll give them your computer's name and address instead.  Same end result as giving your name.

3.  EA says they won't sell your data for marketing puposes.  The RIAA,  MPAA,  and ISDA aren't marketing companies.

Gotta read between the lines there,  don't read what EA's saying,  read what EA's not saying.  That whole EULA is very specifically worded to give you the impression that it's benign while actually maintaining the ability to do whatever they want.

Edit:

Note,  if you read the EULA,  it still says that EA has the right to scan your "Media".  In the computer world,  media includes but is not limited to:  Hard Drive,  CD/DVD ROM,  SSD,  Flash drives,  Flash chips,  External drives.  Conceivably,  since many pieces of hardware act as Flash drives when connected,  such as Droids,  they fall under the jurisdiction of EA's EULA too.  EA's reserving the right to scan anything you plug into your computer.  Nor will externals save you,  as long as the app is installed,  as soon as it's connected,  it's scannable.

And with that comment my middle finger raises once more. Sorry Bioware but your publishers/owners are dicks, I'd like to buy your game but not if Origin has anything to do with it.