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[The_11thDoctor]

Why is there no word yet?! Bioware post in these threads daily! Are they going to just ignore their fanbase and hope it quietly goes away? I preordered the game but I will cancel it if I dont get some news soon. I will not buy it as it is. I want to finish ME's story, but not that this price. I dont want to have to turn to "other" options to play a game Im willing to throw money at. Let me support you Bioware!

[Gatt9]

Siegdrifa wrote...
 Like i said, Battle Field 3 is a highly anticipated game to be release at the end of the year AND Origin only, this is the real test subject for EA, and Battle Field 3 succes could seal the destiny of many futur EA realse on Origin.
That'swhy it is to be expected that nothing from EA or Bioware concerning ME3 and origin will be announced until the release get near.

If BF3 is a succes, not doubt they won't question them self and keep going for their other release.
If BF3 is a fail, there is 2 possibility, softening Origin "only" in order to stop impacting games sales, or, reformulate Origin only to make it look and smell better and try injecting the new marketing attemp in ME3, the next lab-rat.

I'm afraid you're giving EA too much credit.  Take EA at the turn of the millenia for example,  they declared "Online is the only way to make games now!" after Everquest/Ultima Online/Asheron's Call made waves.  They released Need for Speed Online,  Earth and Beyond,  and The Sims Online.  All of which failed.  It took EA nearly a decade to figure out that "Online Only" was a bad decision.

TBH,  the Industry would've been well rid of EA at that point,  were it not for the Madden Monopoly.  They developed 5 MMO's,  3 failed,  2 never saw the light of day.  They blew a ton of cash doing nothing.

They'll do it again here.  Some suit had some brilliant idea on how to make a raging ton of cash from people's information,  and they're hellbent on pursuing it.  It might be that they intend to use it as aggressive DRM the likes of which the Industry has never seen or considered before,  but I suspect it goes much further.

Like it or not,  the perception is that Piracy is hurting games,  movies,  tv,  and music.  The perception is that used games hurt publishers.  From what I read in that contract,  it sounds like EA's positioning themselves to be the Anti-Piracy Czars.  They're not going to give that up lightly.

The question is,  at this point,  how far will they get?  I *strongly* suspect this is going to end up in front of the FTC and the Euro/Aussie equivalents by the end of the second quarter of 2012. 

My prediction:  EA drives ahead with their plans as is,  release Battlefield 3,  the American Civil Liberties drives hard for it to be brought before the FTC,  along with a series of class actions.  The Euro pulls it into their equivalent of the FTC at about the same time.  Aussies,  given their long standing history of giving game publishers a hard time drag it in.  The NFL,  upset at the negative publicity of EA,  pulls the NFL contract.  EA folds by the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  lulsec or anonymous put it in the same realm they did Sony's comments,  reverse engineer the whole thing,  and do unparalleled damage.  FTC,  Euro,  Aussie,  and Japan come down on EA so hard they're gone well before the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  kids under 18 install it at home and are not legally bound by the contract.  Parents are not bound by a contract they weren't aware of.  EA scans confidential workfiles of cooporations,  real estate brokers,  banks,  software developers,  etc.  EA gets leveled by a series of class action lawsuits for scanning sensitive or protected data.

One of those three things is going to happen,  there's no way EA's going to get away with literally scanning everything on people's computers.

Modifié par Gatt9, 13 septembre 2011 - 03:33 .

[FrostedIce]

Sadly, I WILL be canceling my preorder of ME3 CE if Origin is required. Either that or ill buy it and like others said, use a crack.
I don't care much that they're scanning my hardware, but if theyre going to go into my files and snoop through and monitor what I'm doing, that's a no go. I've always loved both BioWare games and games published by EA, but my my right to privacy shall not be infringed.

[Weskerr]

Gatt9 wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...
 Like i said, Battle Field 3 is a highly anticipated game to be release at the end of the year AND Origin only, this is the real test subject for EA, and Battle Field 3 succes could seal the destiny of many futur EA realse on Origin.
That'swhy it is to be expected that nothing from EA or Bioware concerning ME3 and origin will be announced until the release get near.

If BF3 is a succes, not doubt they won't question them self and keep going for their other release.
If BF3 is a fail, there is 2 possibility, softening Origin "only" in order to stop impacting games sales, or, reformulate Origin only to make it look and smell better and try injecting the new marketing attemp in ME3, the next lab-rat.

I'm afraid you're giving EA too much credit.  Take EA at the turn of the millenia for example,  they declared "Online is the only way to make games now!" after Everquest/Ultima Online/Asheron's Call made waves.  They released Need for Speed Online,  Earth and Beyond,  and The Sims Online.  All of which failed.  It took EA nearly a decade to figure out that "Online Only" was a bad decision.

TBH,  the Industry would've been well rid of EA at that point,  were it not for the Madden Monopoly.  They developed 5 MMO's,  3 failed,  2 never saw the light of day.  They blew a ton of cash doing nothing.

They'll do it again here.  Some suit had some brilliant idea on how to make a raging ton of cash from people's information,  and they're hellbent on pursuing it.  It might be that they intend to use it as aggressive DRM the likes of which the Industry has never seen or considered before,  but I suspect it goes much further.

Like it or not,  the perception is that Piracy is hurting games,  movies,  tv,  and music.  The perception is that used games hurt publishers.  From what I read in that contract,  it sounds like EA's positioning themselves to be the Anti-Piracy Czars.  They're not going to give that up lightly.

The question is,  at this point,  how far will they get?  I *strongly* suspect this is going to end up in front of the FTC and the Euro/Aussie equivalents by the end of the second quarter of 2012. 

My prediction:  EA drives ahead with their plans as is,  release Battlefield 3,  the American Civil Liberties drives hard for it to be brought before the FTC,  along with a series of class actions.  The Euro pulls it into their equivalent of the FTC at about the same time.  Aussies,  given their long standing history of giving game publishers a hard time drag it in.  The NFL,  upset at the negative publicity of EA,  pulls the NFL contract.  EA folds by the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  lulsec or anonymous put it in the same realm they did Sony's comments,  reverse engineer the whole thing,  and do unparalleled damage.  FTC,  Euro,  Aussie,  and Japan come down on EA so hard they're gone well before the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  kids under 18 install it at home and are not legally bound by the contract.  Parents are not bound by a contract they weren't aware of.  EA scans confidential workfiles of cooporations,  real estate brokers,  banks,  software developers,  etc.  EA gets leveled by a series of class action lawsuits for scanning sensitive or protected data.

One of those three things is going to happen,  there's no way EA's going to get away with literally scanning everything on people's computers.

I agree that this might come before the FTC and the equivalents in other countries, but I don't think EA will be put out of business by government regulation, negative publicity, or class action lawsuits.

[DeathDragon185]

Gatt9 wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...
 Like i said, Battle Field 3 is a highly anticipated game to be release at the end of the year AND Origin only, this is the real test subject for EA, and Battle Field 3 succes could seal the destiny of many futur EA realse on Origin.
That'swhy it is to be expected that nothing from EA or Bioware concerning ME3 and origin will be announced until the release get near.

If BF3 is a succes, not doubt they won't question them self and keep going for their other release.
If BF3 is a fail, there is 2 possibility, softening Origin "only" in order to stop impacting games sales, or, reformulate Origin only to make it look and smell better and try injecting the new marketing attemp in ME3, the next lab-rat.

I'm afraid you're giving EA too much credit.  Take EA at the turn of the millenia for example,  they declared "Online is the only way to make games now!" after Everquest/Ultima Online/Asheron's Call made waves.  They released Need for Speed Online,  Earth and Beyond,  and The Sims Online.  All of which failed.  It took EA nearly a decade to figure out that "Online Only" was a bad decision.

TBH,  the Industry would've been well rid of EA at that point,  were it not for the Madden Monopoly.  They developed 5 MMO's,  3 failed,  2 never saw the light of day.  They blew a ton of cash doing nothing.

They'll do it again here.  Some suit had some brilliant idea on how to make a raging ton of cash from people's information,  and they're hellbent on pursuing it.  It might be that they intend to use it as aggressive DRM the likes of which the Industry has never seen or considered before,  but I suspect it goes much further.

Like it or not,  the perception is that Piracy is hurting games,  movies,  tv,  and music.  The perception is that used games hurt publishers.  From what I read in that contract,  it sounds like EA's positioning themselves to be the Anti-Piracy Czars.  They're not going to give that up lightly.

The question is,  at this point,  how far will they get?  I *strongly* suspect this is going to end up in front of the FTC and the Euro/Aussie equivalents by the end of the second quarter of 2012. 

My prediction:  EA drives ahead with their plans as is,  release Battlefield 3,  the American Civil Liberties drives hard for it to be brought before the FTC,  along with a series of class actions.  The Euro pulls it into their equivalent of the FTC at about the same time.  Aussies,  given their long standing history of giving game publishers a hard time drag it in.  The NFL,  upset at the negative publicity of EA,  pulls the NFL contract.  EA folds by the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  lulsec or anonymous put it in the same realm they did Sony's comments,  reverse engineer the whole thing,  and do unparalleled damage.  FTC,  Euro,  Aussie,  and Japan come down on EA so hard they're gone well before the end of 2012.

Strong possibility:  EA launches this thing,  kids under 18 install it at home and are not legally bound by the contract.  Parents are not bound by a contract they weren't aware of.  EA scans confidential workfiles of cooporations,  real estate brokers,  banks,  software developers,  etc.  EA gets leveled by a series of class action lawsuits for scanning sensitive or protected data.

One of those three things is going to happen,  there's no way EA's going to get away with literally scanning everything on people's computers.

EA will survive somehow, their like cockroaches, you don't want them in your life but they are there and will never go away.

[Weskerr]

aang001 wrote...

Why is there no word yet?! Bioware post in these threads daily! Are they going to just ignore their fanbase and hope it quietly goes away? I preordered the game but I will cancel it if I dont get some news soon. I will not buy it as it is. I want to finish ME's story, but not that this price. I dont want to have to turn to "other" options to play a game Im willing to throw money at. Let me support you Bioware!

Don't expect anyone from Bioware to respond to this thread. What is done with Origin and what games require it is completely up to EA, not Bioware. I would be surprised, however, if Bioware employees didn't pass on the sentiment regarding Origin in this thread and generally present on these forums to EA. A lot of people are saying they won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.

[Myaku1313]

And talk is just that talk. O.o *points to the real id scare* Action gets results.

[Bostur]

swenson wrote...

Steam Subscriber Agreement

Origin Terms of Service

Also, what's this thing about losing a game if you don't play it for two years? That's ridiculous! That's near to robbery! I paid for a game, who cares if I don't play it for a long time? Sure, I doubt that condition would ever apply to me, but come on. That's just absurd.

They seemed to have removed that bit, it would have been part of section 4 in your link. It used to say that EA would delete entitlements on accounts that haven't logged into Origin for 2 years.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Weskerr wrote...

aang001 wrote...

Why is there no word yet?! Bioware post in these threads daily! Are they going to just ignore their fanbase and hope it quietly goes away? I preordered the game but I will cancel it if I dont get some news soon. I will not buy it as it is. I want to finish ME's story, but not that this price. I dont want to have to turn to "other" options to play a game Im willing to throw money at. Let me support you Bioware!

Don't expect anyone from Bioware to respond to this thread. What is done with Origin and what games require it is completely up to EA, not Bioware. I would be surprised, however, if Bioware employees didn't pass on the sentiment regarding Origin in this thread and generally present on these forums to EA. A lot of people are saying they won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.

Grrrr.................I can't help myself!


This ---IS----the EA forum. Official responses to EA/Bioware things should be made here.

Get this folks. As far as Bioware games and issues go EA is Bioware and Bioware is EA. There is no dividing line is there?

[Therefore_I_Am]

So ****ing glad I'll be playing this on my Xbox.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

aang001 wrote...

Why is there no word yet?! Bioware post in these threads daily! Are they going to just ignore their fanbase and hope it quietly goes away? I preordered the game but I will cancel it if I dont get some news soon. I will not buy it as it is. I want to finish ME's story, but not that this price. I dont want to have to turn to "other" options to play a game Im willing to throw money at. Let me support you Bioware!

Don't expect anyone from Bioware to respond to this thread. What is done with Origin and what games require it is completely up to EA, not Bioware. I would be surprised, however, if Bioware employees didn't pass on the sentiment regarding Origin in this thread and generally present on these forums to EA. A lot of people are saying they won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.

Grrrr.................I can't help myself!


This ---IS----the EA forum. Official responses to EA/Bioware things should be made here.

Get this folks. As far as Bioware games and issues go EA is Bioware and Bioware is EA. There is no dividing line is there?

Bioware is not EA when it comes to designing games. If it were up to EA in the designing department, the games would be crappier.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

PC GAMERS GETTING SCREWED AGAIN

[Complistic]

Probably. EA seems hellbent on becoming everyone's most hated publisher again.

Modifié par Complistic, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:09 .

[Jakedee010v2]

I don't care, really. I got nothing to hide.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Jakedee010v2 wrote...
I don't care, really. I got nothing to hide.

Not.  The.  Point. 

[Guldhun2]

Jakedee010v2 wrote...

I don't care, really. I got nothing to hide.

Oh, so people who have nothing to hide should have no privacy whatsoever? So if anyone asks to come into your house (probably mommy's and daddy's house ) to look around in every closet it's ok with you? Nice!

[N0-Future]

What?! So they can stop us playing a game we bought and paid for if we dont play said game for 2 years or more, That is like buying a car from someone and 2 years later that person comes round to your home and steals it back from you.

The idea that by buying a game gives the game company the right to data mine your computer for information which they will then sell to third party companies, is wrong especially if they don't have my permission first. And just because I bought their game does not mean that I give them this permission by default. Unless of course by buying this game entitles me to access and data mine the personal computers of EA games' board of Directors, and Executive staff. Because I have the right by default unless they opt out which i will then ignore, just by purchasing one of there products.
Of course it is nonsensical, and insulting. What happens next? Next time I purchase food from my local shop i give them permission to put monitoring software on my computer or even a tracking bug on my person?

They do realise that by doing this kind of stuff they are more likely to turn people to piracy.

Modifié par N0-Future, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Robhuzz]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

aang001 wrote...

Why is there no word yet?! Bioware post in these threads daily! Are they going to just ignore their fanbase and hope it quietly goes away? I preordered the game but I will cancel it if I dont get some news soon. I will not buy it as it is. I want to finish ME's story, but not that this price. I dont want to have to turn to "other" options to play a game Im willing to throw money at. Let me support you Bioware!

Don't expect anyone from Bioware to respond to this thread. What is done with Origin and what games require it is completely up to EA, not Bioware. I would be surprised, however, if Bioware employees didn't pass on the sentiment regarding Origin in this thread and generally present on these forums to EA. A lot of people are saying they won't purchase ME3 if it requires Origin.

Grrrr.................I can't help myself!

This ---IS----the EA forum. Official responses to EA/Bioware things should be made here.

Get this folks. As far as Bioware games and issues go EA is Bioware and Bioware is EA. There is no dividing line is there?

Bioware is not EA when it comes to designing games. If it were up to EA in the designing department, the games would be crappier.

And there would only be shooters with a crappy campaign and a multiplayer that's only free for the first week or so.

EA will survive somehow, their like cockroaches, you don't want them in your life but they are there and will never go away.

No, it just means you need to use a stronger repellant:devil:

Modifié par Robhuzz, 13 septembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Guldhun2]

Bioware is not EA when it comes to designing games.


That makes no sense, whatsoever. Because EA bought Bioware. EA = Bioware and Bioware = EA.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
And there would only be shooters with a crappy campaign and a multiplayer that's only free for the first week or so.

What game has EA done that in exactly?

[Robhuzz]

Lizardviking wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...
And there would only be shooters with a crappy campaign and a multiplayer that's only free for the first week or so.

What game has EA done that in exactly?

They haven't... yet. But if it were completely up to EA I have no doubt they would do it eventually.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robhuzz wrote...
They haven't... yet. But if it were completely up to EA I have no doubt they would do it eventually.

Oh thank god. For a moment I thought you talked about some freshly announced news to BF3.

To the original topic. I really dislike the fact that I had to install and use origins to play BF3 I would prefere not to. I would REALLY hate if you had to use origins to play ME3:PC. Just like I hate not being able to play my single-player games on steam without internet.

[Nathander Von Eric]

*Double face palm*

How many times must it be said?

You can play Steam games in offline mode. You do not -need- an internet connection to play single player games.

Er................unless it's an Ubisoft game you bought on Steam. Then, you know, you're kind of stuck with needing a connection to play.

Which makes me wonder. Will Origin require a constant online connection to play single player games? I'll have to check into that.

[Shepard Lives]

I suppose I'm going to buy and crack it.

[Shepard Lives]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I also don't like this:

13. Injunctive Relief. You agree that a breach of this License may cause irreparable injury to EA for which monetary damages would not be an adequate remedy and EA shall be entitled to seek equitable relief in addition to any remedies it may have hereunder or at law.

What, like removing my kidneys? Because I already sold those.