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[Killjoy Cutter]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I also don't like this:

13. Injunctive Relief. You agree that a breach of this License may cause irreparable injury to EA for which monetary damages would not be an adequate remedy and EA shall be entitled to seek equitable relief in addition to any remedies it may have hereunder or at law.

What, like removing my kidneys? Because I already sold those.

Seriously, though, that line alone means I won't be installing Origin. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

*Double face palm*

How many times must it be said?

You can play Steam games in offline mode. You do not -need- an internet connection to play single player games.

Er................unless it's an Ubisoft game you bought on Steam. Then, you know, you're kind of stuck with needing a connection to play.

Which makes me wonder. Will Origin require a constant online connection to play single player games? I'll have to check into that.

For whatever reasons. Steam often fails going into offline mode. I have also been out for alot of time where I had to pack things unexpected and be ready to leave, therefor not having time to turn the laptop on to activate offlinemode. Or where I simply forgot to go into offline mode before leaving.

[SalsaDMA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Shepard Lives wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I also don't like this:

13. Injunctive Relief. You agree that a breach of this License may cause irreparable injury to EA for which monetary damages would not be an adequate remedy and EA shall be entitled to seek equitable relief in addition to any remedies it may have hereunder or at law.

What, like removing my kidneys? Because I already sold those.

Seriously, though, that line alone means I won't be installing Origin. 

Lol.

That line makes you wonder what fantasy the guys writing those EULAS live in... It sounds like something you could find in random horror movies where you write contracts with the devil...

I can just see it now.. "You didn't read the small print, now you are our slave and must sacrifice your firstborn!"
"Wait, what???"
"You agreed to the EULA. Now serve us!!!".

It's really facepalm worthy the way they are going about with what originally was supposed to be a competitor to Steam, and now instead got an entire new life of its own with new intents and goals ...

[Computer_God91]

You'd think after 35 pages someone official might step in and say something. To me that just says ME3 will require Origin. God and what kind of terms are these? Now it says that if moneys not enough they can take whatever they want to get even?

[Weskerr]

Shepard Lives wrote...

Boiny Bunny wrote...

I also don't like this:

13. Injunctive Relief. You agree that a breach of this License may cause irreparable injury to EA for which monetary damages would not be an adequate remedy and EA shall be entitled to seek equitable relief in addition to any remedies it may have hereunder or at law.

What, like removing my kidneys? Because I already sold those.

If you breach their license, they'll kill you.

[Iamdude]

Hmm, in addition to the other ridiculous stuff, it also says in section 14 that if you're a member of the European Union, the governing law is British law. I live in the Netherlands, and will buy the product there, why should I be subject to British law just because that would be more convenient for EA? You want to sue me? Go to my nation's court. (Not that I intend to do anything to get sued over, but still.)

[Therefore_I_Am]

Guldhun2 wrote...

Bioware is not EA when it comes to designing games.


That makes no sense, whatsoever. Because EA bought Bioware. EA = Bioware and Bioware = EA.

Bioware has done their own thing while under EA's umbrella. Bioware has always listened to the fans, but if lets say EA fired Bioware's employees and replaced them, than the games would have little influence from the fans and become whatever the company desires it to be. EA may tell them what to do but Bioware still has a voice of their own it seems, otherwise our opinions would not be heard.
[edit]With DA2 being an exception, since they took the newly implemented style as a gamble and promptly lost said gamble.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 13 septembre 2011 - 04:38 .

[Computer_God91]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

Bioware is not EA when it comes to designing games.


That makes no sense, whatsoever. Because EA bought Bioware. EA = Bioware and Bioware = EA.

Bioware has done their own thing while under EA's umbrella. Bioware has always listened to the fans, but if lets say EA fired Bioware's employees and replaced them, than the games would have little influence from the fans and become whatever the company desires it to be. EA may tell them what to do but Bioware still has a voice of their own it seems, otherwise our opinions would not be heard.

True that. Now let's hope Bioware put their foot down on this Origin issue.

[Robhuzz]

Iamdude wrote...

Hmm, in addition to the other ridiculous stuff, it also says in section 14 that if you're a member of the European Union, the governing law is British law. I live in the Netherlands, and will buy the product there, why should I be subject to British law just because that would be more convenient for EA? You want to sue me? Go to my nation's court. (Not that I intend to do anything to get sued over, but still.)

Funny enough, even though the section says it falls under British law, said law has 0 influence in the Netherlands, no terms of use is ever going to change that. Still, I won't be having anything to do with Origin. As soon as Dutch stores start selling the Collector's Edition, I'll pre- order it and hope that, if origin is required to play, there's a crack available to avoid this by march 9th.

[Killjoy Cutter]

There's also the possiblity of running it in a "sandbox".

[The Hatch]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There's also the possiblity of running it in a "sandbox".

This is true (sandboxie is a great one), but it just shows how ***ed up the platform is that people will seek rememedies like cracks or sandboxes even if they legitimately bought the game. I also have the ever increasing suspicion that the reason no Bioware employee has responded yet is because they want to announce origin implimentation at the last moment. And they will not be recieving my money if that's the case.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The world should opperate on the nunyo principle.

"Other people's lives are nunyo business."

[Iamdude]

It's an issue of trust, in the EULA it says something about EA never doing this or that with the information collected. So basically I have to trust them at their word. On the other side of things, even as a paying customer, they don't even trust me as far as they can throw me. Trust works both ways. So how about this, I promise not to hack/steal/do anything bad with your product, and you let me play it without constantly looking over my shoulder?

[Kharkov]

Iamdude wrote...

It's an issue of trust, in the EULA it says something about EA never doing this or that with the information collected. So basically I have to trust them at their word. On the other side of things, even as a paying customer, they don't even trust me as far as they can throw me. Trust works both ways. So how about this, I promise not to hack/steal/do anything bad with your product, and you let me play it without constantly looking over my shoulder?

 You Sir have just hit the nail on the head.

 They expect us to trust them, when they themselves do not trust us, they then go on to exploit that lack of trust (in us) by data harvesting our PC's and selling that data for profit.

 Sorry, they use the word Share instead of Sell, but due to the fact that EA have decided to demonstrate a lack of trust in me, by forcing the installation of spyware (yes EA it's spyware) onto my PC, then I have decided to demonstrate my lack of trust in EA by converting the word Share back into it's intended format which is Sell.

 See how it works both ways EA ?, no probably not, because your just money men, the words trust, honesty, decency and fair play mean nothing to you, and never will.

 I think you've got some bloody nerve to start using the word trust in your revised EULA, when all you want to do is use me as a customer, and then convert me into a product, a product that can be sold to the highest bidder.

 Just my opinion,

 

[Complistic]

Shepard Lives wrote...

I suppose I'm going to buy and crack it.

This is my plan as well. I'll purchase a legit copy and then get whatever crack they put out for the pirated version to make it Origin free.

Problem solved.

[EternalPink]

The Hatch wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There's also the possiblity of running it in a "sandbox".

This is true (sandboxie is a great one), but it just shows how ***ed up the platform is that people will seek rememedies like cracks or sandboxes even if they legitimately bought the game. I also have the ever increasing suspicion that the reason no Bioware employee has responded yet is because they want to announce origin implimentation at the last moment. And they will not be recieving my money if that's the case.

Another potential solution depending on exactly how origins works would be to allow it to talk to the net for activation and then use a firewall to block any further communication, its kind of sad that we as paying customers are thinking of using cracks since that use to be the domain of the pirates to keep our privacy.

Forgetting for the moment that all software developers/publishers should be against pirating there products this seems like a brilliant way to move piracy from the fringes into the main stream.

Since we are using British law (although i also don't understand how they expect to enforce that across all of europe) everybody in the UK may want to visit this site www.ico.gov.uk/complaints/data_protection.aspx have a quick read and then submit a e-mail to EA asking for a copy of all there information about you, when they don't comply you can then get the ICO involved.

Any nice forum mod want to give us the EA e-mail address we should submit all these requests to? 

Modifié par EternalPink, 13 septembre 2011 - 09:56 .

[N0-Future]

.............and still silence from EA / bioware

[EternalPink]

Started a thread on the EA general discussion board located here forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/7532419.page to try and get the contact e-mail for EA (incase the BW mods don't provide/don't know it)

[anzolino]

Here are some phone numbers and email addresses: ea_origin_spyware_issue_silently_boycotting_will.

[anzolino]

I rather want to find out how EA will protect our data if they don't even get their website secured!
This is simply a nightmare!

Dear Bioware,
I ask you seriously: could you please help these EA people to get their services secured and to protect the data of all these people here?
I would really appreciate that, thanks a lot.

[Eradyn]

Checking in so I have a reference point to this thread...and so EA (not that they care, I'm sure) is aware that Origin is still the deciding factor for me as to how I handle my current ME3 preorder.

[BiO]

Computer_God91 wrote...

You'd think after 35 pages someone official might step in and say something. To me that just says ME3 will require Origin. God and what kind of terms are these? Now it says that if moneys not enough they can take whatever they want to get even?

Maybe it's still up in the air. They aren't ready to say anything final.

[quaigee]

It's almost comical the debate about Origin. If you don't trust EA with your information, then you shouldn't install ANY of their software. If you're afraid of Origin and not afraid of what comes along with the game itself then you really need to reevaluate your position.