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[JGDD]

quaigee wrote...

If you don't trust EA with your information[...]

Bullseye. I don't and neither do many others. Why do we have to be strong-armed into opening potentially sensitive parts of our lives to play a game? It's none of their business. Period.

Personal privacy is something no one should shrug off as something we don't have any more. We do, and it's valued greatly (at least by sane people). I fail to see anything comical about giving up a personal right for something as insignificant as a game.

[quaigee]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

quaigee wrote...

If you don't trust EA with your information[...]

Bullseye. I don't and neither do many others. Why do we have to be strong-armed into opening potentially sensitive parts of our lives to play a game? It's none of their business. Period.

Personal privacy is something no one should shrug off as something we don't have any more. We do, and it's valued greatly (at least by sane people). I fail to see anything comical about giving up a personal right for something as insignificant as a game.

Because EA has the right to set the terms and conditions of use for their software. If you disagree with the (usually absurdly long) EULA, then you can click "disagree" and/or contact a lawyer to see if any of the conditions are illegal in your state/region/country. The fact that it's a game is quite irrelevant. It may be none of their business, but when you click on "Agree" and enter into a contract with them then YOU just made it their business.

[Computer_God91]

Inge Shepard wrote...

That's the whole point. We don't need the Origin or any third party software to play the game.

Exactly, they just want to shovel it into our mouths to get their fingers onto more cash and monitor our every activity related or unrelated to their products. There really should be a law against this sort of thing (I'm an American). What I think is sad is that even if all of us refuse to buy their products because of the EULA terms there will be a staggering number of people that do buy their games, and not being informed about these terms will install Origin and unknowingly allow EA to harvest all their personal info. So many, that our actions will not even make a noticeable impact on sales to show EA that this is unacceptable. I think we should find a way to inform a large amount of people about this...

[Weskerr]

Computer_God91 wrote...

Inge Shepard wrote...

That's the whole point. We don't need the Origin or any third party software to play the game.

Exactly, they just want to shovel it into our mouths to get their fingers onto more cash and monitor our every activity related or unrelated to their products. There really should be a law against this sort of thing (I'm an American). What I think is sad is that even if all of us refuse to buy their products because of the EULA terms there will be a staggering number of people that do buy their games, and not being informed about these terms will install Origin and unknowingly allow EA to harvest all their personal info. So many, that our actions will not even make a noticeable impact on sales to show EA that this is unacceptable. I think we should find a way to inform a large amount of people about this...

The best way would be to take them to court.

[JGDD]

quaigee wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

quaigee wrote...

If you don't trust EA with your information[...]

Bullseye. I don't and neither do many others. Why do we have to be strong-armed into opening potentially sensitive parts of our lives to play a game? It's none of their business. Period.

Personal privacy is something no one should shrug off as something we don't have any more. We do, and it's valued greatly (at least by sane people). I fail to see anything comical about giving up a personal right for something as insignificant as a game.

Because EA has the right to set the terms and conditions of use for their software. If you disagree with the (usually absurdly long) EULA, then you can click "disagree" and/or contact a lawyer to see if any of the conditions are illegal in your state/region/country. The fact that it's a game is quite irrelevant. It may be none of their business, but when you click on "Agree" and enter into a contract with them then YOU just made it their business.

And I set the terms and conditions for what goes into my PC.

[Killjoy Cutter]

"Shrinkwrap" licenses and EULAs are not contracts, however, and I know of no American court upholding one as a contract.

[hallfing]

Wow this thread just made my day... I had Origin installed for some time I didn't need to turn it on to play any of the games that I have registered on it ~_~" I can run them normally from the executables but if they don't allow this feature in the future I'll be uninstalling that P.O.C.

Speaking of which wasn't Microsoft sued for the same thing? they had some spyware stuff secretly being installed on your comp with one of the KBXXXX... updates and they got their asses handed to them in court for invasion of privacy on (Vista) OS. Hopefully EA will realize that they're being grade *A* Aho*es ( but we're really preaching to the choir here)

Either way It doesn't matter to me because India is spared of all this crap, our ISPs care lesser and lesser every day about all the CAD letters they receive from various companies about the stuff being downloaded from net... and the courts do no entertain outsider companies and their whining about it either... so they really have no power or jurisdiction here and they were hit so hard with ignorance that almost all the games that are released here are almost 60% cheaper because of the "no can't do" situation... sometimes ignorance is bliss.

So they can take all the information they want they're not gonna change anything and besides it's only as safe as a facebook account and I have both... Dunno if that's good thing or a bad thing -_-"

Modifié par hallfing, 14 septembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[Therefore_I_Am]

If you guys want to get EA's attention you'll need more outspoken voices, perhaps even hundreds. All I see are the same several people frequenting this thread and the thread on the EA boards. The EA suits have selective hearing when it comes to this much people. But gather enough and they'll start turning their heads.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 14 septembre 2011 - 02:14 .

[MrWoozy]

In the name of "more attention through more people"... .
I've followed this whole Origin drama for a while and i will NEVER install it on my PC.

Doesn't matter if i have something to hide or not, so the arguing of some people,
but i really care for my freedom and privacy.
In times like ours where information is power and money and it's even easier to gather information about everyone, we should care much more about stuff like this.

So,to prevent a long text,cause everything has been written more than 2 times in this thread,
I have chanceled my order of ME3 until it's officially confirmed that there will be no Origin needed to install and play it.
If they insist on this BigBro-Tool they will just increase piracy on there games.
And missing money hurts.

[MrWoozy]

I know what your opinion in this debatte is and i also know that Steam is restricted to only Steam-used Folder. Not that i say this is much better or even that i would use Steam, BUT it's definitly not the same.

[quaigee]

While this solution won't apease everyone, you could always create a new OS partition and use that only for your games. I do this because I like keeping my system as efficient as possible. As a matter of fact, I use Window 7's "boot to vhd" feature. It allows you to virtualize just the hard drive then boot to that virtual hard drive. You have full hardware support for everything else. It's worth a look: blogs.msdn.com/b/knom/archive/2009/04/07/windows-7-vhd-boot-setup-guideline.aspx

P.S. I'd recommend changing the security permissions on your other drive(s) so your game installation can't peek into your other installations. 

[SalsaDMA]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Origin is basically Steam.

Smokescreen.

Instead of trying to divert the attention why don't you explain to me why I should allow EA to intrude on my rights of privacy by installing spyware on my system in order to play a game?

All I've seen from you are smokescreens and zero reasoning.

Ofc, the answer is that there is NO reasonable excuse for them to intrude on my privacy, which makes you unable to do anything but try and make smokescreens when facts escape you.

[quaigee]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Instead of trying to divert the attention why don't you explain to me why I should allow EA to intrude on my rights of privacy by installing spyware on my system in order to play a game?

Well... you shouldn't allow EA to do it. If that's how you feel about it you shouldn't install any EA software. EA believes it's reasonable because the information they gather allows them to make more informed decisions about upcoming titles and various marketing decisions. It also allows them to look for any games that you may have pirated. (Which they see as lost revenue). When you click that magical "agree" button, you're telling EA that you agree with them. Do I like it? Nope. Not at all. Your only recourse is to either not install it on your system or to contact a lawyer.

[Kharkov]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

If you guys want to get EA's attention you'll need more outspoken voices, perhaps even hundreds. All I see are the same several people frequenting this thread and the thread on the EA boards. The EA suits have selective hearing when it comes to this much people. But gather enough and they'll start turning their heads.

 EA will simply keep their heads down, say nothing and weather the storm until the release of a major title like BF3 or ME3, because EA know that when the big titles start hitting the shelves, countless numbers of people will allow their desire to play the latest game to override their common sense and principles.

 How else can you entice people to install crap intrusive software onto their PC's ?

 classic exploitation of an addiction, game addiction.

 This is not a bright future for gaming, once large companies understand that they can influence the actions of large numbers of people through the addiction/fix cycle then you are pritty much screwed.

 Getting large numbers of people to say "F££k you EA" on a forum will not change anything, because EA know that a very large number of those people will revert to the above scenario, a few will stick to their principles and refuse to install Origin, but for EA that will not matter, because they know that those few are a minority.

 This will not end until it goes to a Court of Law, because thats the only thing these money men understand, not because they have a respect for the law, but because if they break the law they risk ending up in court, with the possible loss of money.

 See how it comes back to money again, what a F££king surpise


 

[quaigee]

Kharkov wrote...

This will not end until it goes to a Court of Law, because thats the only thing these money men understand, not because they have a respect for the law, but because if they break the law they risk ending up in court, with the possible loss of money.

That's going to be a tough battle. EA can say since they developed the software, they can set the terms and conditions of use. Since no one is forcing you to use and let alone buy their software, you have the choice to skip it. Would it be a PR nightmare? Absolutely. My only point is if you're waiting for the courts or the legislature to do anything for you, I wouldn't hold your breath.  

[Kharkov]

quaigee wrote...

Kharkov wrote...

This will not end until it goes to a Court of Law, because thats the only thing these money men understand, not because they have a respect for the law, but because if they break the law they risk ending up in court, with the possible loss of money.

That's going to be a tough battle. EA can say since they developed the software, they can set the terms and conditions of use. Since no one is forcing you to use and let alone buy their software, you have the choice to skip it. Would it be a PR nightmare? Absolutely. My only point is if you're waiting for the courts or the legislature to do anything for you, I wouldn't hold your breath.  

 Exactly, and I dont see this going to court anytime soon, I think it will be years before it ends up in a court, if ever it does at all.

 

[JGDD]

Wonder if a Facebook page dedicated to this would raise awareness? Casually mentioning this on every EA game they have there might raise eyebrows more than the FemShep debacle.

[Relix28]

I hope people will pirate the sh!t out of any EA game that requires Origin to play. It's the least what those fascists deserve. This is some 1984 stuff, we are talikng about here. I can still hardly believe stuff like this is allowed into existance.

[quaigee]

So when someone or a corporation does something you don't like, stealing from them and calling them names is justified? That's pathetic.

[Edited for grammar]

Modifié par quaigee, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:28 .

[vader da slayer]

I love when an EULA is updated or wrtten to say "will transmit non personal syste information" and "non identifing information" people imediately think it some kind of way for said company to look into the contents of their pc and watch their porn or w/e. all those lines mean is 1) you systems hardware/software info and interaction of hardware/software with the software of the game (this line was added in the Blizzard EULA for WoW and people went ape**** over it but it is litterally nothing more than I said). and 2) is stuff like when you indicate that you like rpgs or shooters it takes that and uses it to do better marketing.

also pirating will still mean you need origin. the requirement of origin will be in the games coding and you would need to be able to go in and change source code for that to change which btw is HIGHLY illegal and is prosecuted to a high degree than just stealling it.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 14 septembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[Robhuzz]

Relix28 wrote...

I hope people will pirate the sh!t out of any EA game that requires Origin to play. It's the least what those fascists deserve. This is some 1984 stuff, we are talikng about here. I can still hardly believe stuff like this is allowed into existance.

Very likely, using annoying anti piracy protections or other inconvenient things usually leads to games being pirated to avoid it altogether.

I'll still support BioWare by purchasing the ME3 CE, even if it requires Origin to play. However I won't install useless software on my pc, and spyware at that. Period. So I will be cracking the game to make sure I can play without Origin.

[The Hatch]

HIGHLY illegal and is prosecuted to a high degree than just stealling it.

Can you give me a source?

Altering or reverse engineering a product isn't illegal in itself afaik. The import part is the distributing of software, and you will be prosecuted to the same extent regardless of whether your crack removes the DRM completely or simply bypasses it.