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[N0-Future]

quaigee wrote...

So when someone or a corporation does something don't like, stealing from them and calling them names is justified? That's pathetic.

Well 36 pages of complaints and not one reaction from them speaks volumes to me, the obviously dont care what we think.
Maybe direct action is the only way to go?

Modifié par N0-Future, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[mcneil_1]

 I think the only Bioware reply will be something along the lines of:  "No talking about pirating/cracking etc" Lockdown  or End Of Line

[N0-Future]

Sounds like a cop out to me

[quaigee]

N0-Future wrote...

Well 36 pages of complaints and not one reaction from them speaks volumes to me, the obviously dont care what we think.
Maybe direct action is the only way to go?

What I'm finding sad is that some people feel they have an intrinsic right to steal software. Perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from any guilt. A lot of very talented people put in a lot of hours to produce this game and THE LEAST you can do is pay for it. If you're not buying ME3 and pirating it instead because you feel your rights have been violated, then you are a hypocrite.


 

[N0-Future]

 

Modifié par N0-Future, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[N0-Future]

quaigee wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

Well 36 pages of complaints and not one reaction from them speaks volumes to me, the obviously dont care what we think.
Maybe direct action is the only way to go?

What I'm finding sad is that some people feel they have an intrinsic right to steal software. Perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from any guilt. A lot of very talented people put in a lot of hours to produce this game and THE LEAST you can do is pay for it. If you're not buying ME3 and pirating it instead because you feel your rights have been violated, then you are a hypocrite.

 

I agree with you that a lot of effort has gon into making the game. But some people may consider that gathering information off someone computer to be sold to third parties stealing.
I will voice my concerns by not buying the game if they implement Origin, ive already cancelled my pre-order untill this mess is sorted out.
Others may go further and I undertand why, i didnt say i agreed.

Modifié par N0-Future, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:56 .

[quaigee]

N0-Future wrote...

I do agree with you about the time and effort that has gon in to produce the game, but some people would say that taking information of someones computer to sell to a thrid party is also stealing
I will be making my voice heard by not buying the game if the implement Origin, ive already cancelled my order untill this is settled.

I certainly don't dispute the morality of the potential Origin problem. (This isn't even a confirmed problem so let's not get *too* stressed out over it yet. ) Pirating the game will just give EA more incentive to push for harsher DRM. The best thing you can do right now is speak with your pocket book. 

[cool74]

I love living in California. I just called EA and told them that as a California citizen I take there "data gathering" and shove it up there backdoor. Now if I catch them again I can sue. There is a special clause in there for us. So they can't monitor me.

[N0-Future]

I live in the UK not sure what my rights are as of yet but my best friend is a Solicitor ( lawyer ) so im going to confer with him about it.

Modifié par N0-Future, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:03 .

[aquamutt]

quaigee wrote...The best thing you can do right now is speak with your pocket book. 

and this is how ea's season pass got started

[cool74]

N0-Future wrote...

I live in the UK not sure what my rights are as of yet but my best friend is a Solicitor ( lawyer ) so im going to confer with him about it.

I am not as fluent in UK law as I am American but I think by agreeing to it. You legally give up your right to agure agianst it. But like I said. I am better at US law.

[quaigee]

cool74 wrote...

I love living in California. I just called EA and told them that as a California citizen I take there "data gathering" and shove it up there backdoor. Now if I catch them again I can sue. There is a special clause in there for us. So they can't monitor me.

You realize those data laws probably don't apply. They need to collect your name plus either a SSN, Drivers Licence number, bank account or other financial info for that to be a violation. 

[quaigee]

N0-Future wrote...

I live in the UK not sure what my rights are as of yet but my best friend is a Solicitor ( lawyer ) so im going to confer with him about it.

That's the best thing you can do. You need to be proactive with your privacy and if anyone is worried about the terms and conditions of *any* contract then speaking to a lawyer is your best bet. :happy:

[cool74]

quaigee wrote...

cool74 wrote...

I love living in California. I just called EA and told them that as a California citizen I take there "data gathering" and shove it up there backdoor. Now if I catch them again I can sue. There is a special clause in there for us. So they can't monitor me.

You realize those data laws probably don't apply. They need to collect your name plus either a SSN, Drivers Licence number, bank account or other financial info for that to be a violation. 

It is a built in clause in there agreement.

"XV.    California Residents: Your California Privacy Rights

Under
California law, California Residents who have an established business
relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries
may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about
them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above,
our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a
third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval. If you
choose to opt-out at any time after granting approval, email
privacy_policy@ea.com or write to Privacy Policy Administrator,
Electronic Arts Inc., 209 Redwood Shores Pkwy, Redwood City, CA 94065"

[quaigee]

cool74 wrote...

It is a built in clause in there agreement.

"XV.    California Residents: Your California Privacy Rights

Under
California law, California Residents who have an established business
relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries
may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about
them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above,
our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a
third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval. If you
choose to opt-out at any time after granting approval, email
privacy_policy@ea.com or write to Privacy Policy Administrator,
Electronic Arts Inc., 209 Redwood Shores Pkwy, Redwood City, CA 94065"

Wow, I wasn't aware there was a specific EA clause. I stand corrected. 

(Edit: This is why talking to a lawyer is key. They will be aware of the local/state laws that could help you. )

Modifié par quaigee, 15 septembre 2011 - 06:17 .

[cool74]

quaigee wrote...

Wow, I wasn't aware there was a specific EA clause. I stand corrected. 

I want to be a furture lawyer so I tend to read the fine print. One of the few adventages california has is that we are very big on privacy laws.

[Kharkov]

quaigee wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

Well 36 pages of complaints and not one reaction from them speaks volumes to me, the obviously dont care what we think.
Maybe direct action is the only way to go?

What I'm finding sad is that some people feel they have an intrinsic right to steal software. Perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from any guilt. A lot of very talented people put in a lot of hours to produce this game and THE LEAST you can do is pay for it. If you're not buying ME3 and pirating it instead because you feel your rights have been violated, then you are a hypocrite.


 

 What I'm finding very sad is that some people feel they have the right to exploit me, and harvest all the data from my PC and then sell it, perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from guilt.
 A lot of very good and honest gamers put in alot of hours playing games, and they pay for all their software without a second thought, good honest people who never pirated anything in their whole life, and therefore THE LEAST you can do is treat them with some respect.

 See how it works both ways, everything always does, thats why life is all about balance, striking a balance, tends to keep everyone happy.

 But when the money men ride into town, balance is the first thing that gets a bullet in the head.

 

[JGDD]

cool74 wrote...

It is a built in clause in there agreement.

"XV.    California Residents: Your California Privacy Rights

Under
California law, California Residents who have an established business
relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries
may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about
them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above,
our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a
third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval. If you
choose to opt-out at any time after granting approval, email
privacy_policy@ea.com or write to Privacy Policy Administrator,
Electronic Arts Inc., 209 Redwood Shores Pkwy, Redwood City, CA 94065"

Oh boy...

You granted approval FIRST by agreeing to the EULA. So what just happened here? Walp, they managed to scan everything anyway because it takes only seconds, transmit back to the ever benevolent EA data processing servers, sell it to third party vendors, and have a heck of a laugh at your expense because it wasn't enabled by default. They still haven't got your email yet either.

This clause, while a step in the right direction, still does nothing to protect your privacy. Just the wording alone shows how scummy their tactics are. Regardless of that opt-out ability you still agree to first let them in and have a peek.

[Killjoy Cutter]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

cool74 wrote...

It is a built in clause in there agreement.

"XV.    California Residents: Your California Privacy Rights

Under
California law, California Residents who have an established business
relationship with Electronic Arts Inc. (EA) or one of its subsidiaries
may choose to opt out of EA disclosure of personal information about
them to third parties for direct marketing purposes. As detailed above,
our policy is not to disclose personal information collected online to a
third party for direct marketing purposes without your approval. If you
choose to opt-out at any time after granting approval, email
privacy_policy@ea.com or write to Privacy Policy Administrator,
Electronic Arts Inc., 209 Redwood Shores Pkwy, Redwood City, CA 94065"

Oh boy...

You granted approval FIRST by agreeing to the EULA. So what just happened here? Walp, they managed to scan everything anyway because it takes only seconds, transmit back to the ever benevolent EA data processing servers, sell it to third party vendors, and have a heck of a laugh at your expense because it wasn't enabled by default. They still haven't got your email yet either.

This clause, while a step in the right direction, still does nothing to protect your privacy. Just the wording alone shows how scummy their tactics are. Regardless of that opt-out ability you still agree to first let them in and have a peek.

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

For those who think this is no big deal, or say "I have nothing to hide".

Would you be OK with a default policy giving anyone who bought a physical product from a key to your dwelling and blanket permission to come into your home at any time, to take pictures and make photocopies of any paperwork or document they find, and ask anyone there questions about what they're up to and what's going on?

[JGDD]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

Exactly. Something else that bothers me about this is their ability to gather someone else's information from your PC.

Example: You store friends, relatives, and acquaintances phone numbers, addresses, etc. on your PC. Without them having any say in the matter their information has just been turned over because of this blanket coverage to pry into your personal life. There is nothing here to protect them from your stupidity should you agree to the EULA as it stands currently.

[The Twilight God]

23 days, no replies.

We know they have seen the thread.

We can only confirm that the lack of response means you will need Origin.

They will be in your PC, looking at all your ladyboy porn, stealing your Amazon password, capturing your credit card number and buying more EA games with your card.

All your base belong to EA now!!!

[JGDD]

The Twilight God wrote...

23 days, no replies.

We know they have seen the thread.

We can only confirm that the lack of response means you will need Origin.

They will be in your PC, looking at all your ladyboy porn, stealing your Amazon password, capturing your credit card number and buying more EA games with your card.

All your base belong to EA now!!!

Fortunately, I have over a dozen HDD's and one of them will be a fresh install with zero personal info should that come to pass. All my base is blank. Good luck with that.

[quaigee]

Kharkov wrote...

 What I'm finding very sad is that some people feel they have the right to exploit me, and harvest all the data from my PC and then sell it, perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from guilt.
 A lot of very good and honest gamers put in alot of hours playing games, and they pay for all their software without a second thought, good honest people who never pirated anything in their whole life, and therefore THE LEAST you can do is treat them with some respect.

 See how it works both ways, everything always does, thats why life is all about balance, striking a balance, tends to keep everyone happy.

 But when the money men ride into town, balance is the first thing that gets a bullet in the head.

 

The example really doesn't work both ways. Not in the point I was trying to make. Let me abstract the example:

Person A sells a great product, but there's fine print. Person B wants to buy Person A's product but hates the fine print. Person B hates the fine print so much they feel it violates their rights. To protect their rights, Person B steals Person A's product and bypasses the fine print alltogether. Person B is now a hypocrite because they just violated the rights of Person A.

Given various exemptions in the law, it is EA's right to sell their software with restrictions. That is their right as a company and as the owner of the IP. You have the right to accept or decline those terms.

Should companies treat their customers with respect? Sure, but your only recourse if they don't is to not buy their product.   

[Killjoy Cutter]

Actually, EA doesn't really have a RIGHT to place those restrictions on the sale. They sell a product, they have no more right to restrict how that product is used than Ford does to restrict how someone drives a Ford car. The only RIGHT they have is to not have someone else sell knockoff Fords...