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[Killjoy Cutter]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

Exactly. Something else that bothers me about this is their ability to gather someone else's information from your PC.

Example: You store friends, relatives, and acquaintances phone numbers, addresses, etc. on your PC. Without them having any say in the matter their information has just been turned over because of this blanket coverage to pry into your personal life. There is nothing here to protect them from your stupidity should you agree to the EULA as it stands currently.

The Facebook issue -- if your friends post about you on Facebook, you're out there, even if you don't have a Facebook page. 

(Which I don't, and won't.)

[JGDD]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

Exactly. Something else that bothers me about this is their ability to gather someone else's information from your PC.

Example: You store friends, relatives, and acquaintances phone numbers, addresses, etc. on your PC. Without them having any say in the matter their information has just been turned over because of this blanket coverage to pry into your personal life. There is nothing here to protect them from your stupidity should you agree to the EULA as it stands currently.

The Facebook issue -- if your friends post about you on Facebook, you're out there, even if you don't have a Facebook page. 

(Which I don't, and won't.)

Yes there's that, too. But FB is nowhere near as insidious as Origin and it's unrestricted access to even more personal and private information you store. FB also doesn't get the free pass to root around in your PC like this thing will do. Nothing about this application is in favor of you, the buyer.

I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far. Out of that number I wonder how many people realize they have just opened their lives to perfect strangers that basically want to make a buck from their ignorance?

[Kharkov]

quaigee wrote...

Kharkov wrote...

 What I'm finding very sad is that some people feel they have the right to exploit me, and harvest all the data from my PC and then sell it, perhaps it's the non-physicality of it that absolves them from guilt.
 A lot of very good and honest gamers put in alot of hours playing games, and they pay for all their software without a second thought, good honest people who never pirated anything in their whole life, and therefore THE LEAST you can do is treat them with some respect.

 See how it works both ways, everything always does, thats why life is all about balance, striking a balance, tends to keep everyone happy.

 But when the money men ride into town, balance is the first thing that gets a bullet in the head.

 

The example really doesn't work both ways. Not in the point I was trying to make. Let me abstract the example:

 Disagree,
 
 Comes down to respect, and respect applies to both parties, NOT just the consumer, if EA expect us (the consumer) to show respect for them (EA) by not pirating (hacking) the game to by-pass Origin, then they (EA) should show some respect for us (the consumer).

 Really is as simple as that,

 When people are expected to show respect, but at the same time receive no respect in return, they very quickly start to understand thet they are getting f**ked over, to be blunt.

 Regards,

  

[FERMi27]

What has FB to do with EA at all? This thread has derailed so badly, why hasn't it been closed till now remains a mistery for me.

[Nathander Von Eric]

To make sure this stays on track.

The question still remains unanswered.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

Thank you.

[MrWoozy]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
....I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far....

Sry,but this can never be true.
Maybe you or the journalist who wrote the article have misunderstood something.
.. No,must be ...

[JGDD]

FERMi27 wrote...

What has FB to do with EA at all? This thread has derailed so badly, why hasn't it been closed till now remains a mistery for me.

It is an analogy to the loss of privacy, both first hand and secondarily, we're facing if Origin is required to play ME3. Hardly derailing the thread to make a point about the issue at hand.

[JGDD]

MrWoozy wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
....I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far....

Sry,but this can never be true.
Maybe you or the journalist who wrote the article have misunderstood something.
.. No,must be ...

I was mistaken...with the number. It is 130 million+ plus accounts. I didn't say the client installs were that high. That right now stands at around 4 million. Sorry for the confusion.

I should have went back and checked the number before that post. Here's the link for you to decide on your own.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 15 septembre 2011 - 05:32 .

[quaigee]

Kharkov wrote...

 Disagree,
 
 Comes down to respect, and respect applies to both parties, NOT just the consumer, if EA expect us (the consumer) to show respect for them (EA) by not pirating (hacking) the game to by-pass Origin, then they (EA) should show some respect for us (the consumer).

 Really is as simple as that,

 When people are expected to show respect, but at the same time receive no respect in return, they very quickly start to understand thet they are getting f**ked over, to be blunt.

 Regards,

  

Respect is ultimately irrelevant. You don't have the right to commit a crime because your feelings are hurt. If I don't like my bank's overdraft fees, I can't claim they aren't respecting me then rob them. Stealing is a CRIME.   If you don't like their terms, stay away from their products. 

The legnths people go to justify theft is amazing. 

[SalsaDMA]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

MrWoozy wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
....I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far....

Sry,but this can never be true.
Maybe you or the journalist who wrote the article have misunderstood something.
.. No,must be ...

I was mistaken...with the number. It is 130 million+ plus accounts. I didn't say the client installs were that high. That right now stands at around 4 million. Sorry for the confusion.

I should have went back and checked the number before that post. Here's the link for you to decide on your own.

Since all previous EA acounts got converted into Origin acounts, that number means nothing.

Im sure the suits are using it to try and make it look like Origin is the second coming in how users accept it iregardless, though..

I'll never install origin on my system, yet they count me as an origin account because I got older EA titles that required an EA account. I think this kind of subterfuge by them should proove quite well how untrustworthy they are.

[SalsaDMA]

quaigee wrote...

Kharkov wrote...

 Disagree,
 
 Comes down to respect, and respect applies to both parties, NOT just the consumer, if EA expect us (the consumer) to show respect for them (EA) by not pirating (hacking) the game to by-pass Origin, then they (EA) should show some respect for us (the consumer).

 Really is as simple as that,

 When people are expected to show respect, but at the same time receive no respect in return, they very quickly start to understand thet they are getting f**ked over, to be blunt.

 Regards,

  

Respect is ultimately irrelevant. You don't have the right to commit a crime because your feelings are hurt. If I don't like my bank's overdraft fees, I can't claim they aren't respecting me then rob them. Stealing is a CRIME.   If you don't like their terms, stay away from their products. 

The legnths people go to justify theft is amazing. 

Are you talking about the people that said they would BUY the product and then crack it purely to circumvent Origin?

Cause if you are, then I think you got something messed up somewhere in your remarks about calling those people criminals or thieves.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 15 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[quaigee]

SalsaDMA wrote...


Are you talking about the people that said they would BUY the product and then crack it purely to circumvent Origin?

Cause if you are, then I think you got something messed up somewhere in your remarks about calling those people criminals or thieves.

No, I'm referring to people who won't buy it and pirate it instead. If you bought it, then live and let live is my outlook. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

MrWoozy wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
....I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far....

Sry,but this can never be true.
Maybe you or the journalist who wrote the article have misunderstood something.
.. No,must be ...

I wonder if that's Origin accounts worldwide or something...

EDIT:  scooped.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 septembre 2011 - 08:01 .

[Computer_God91]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

 It is 130 million+ plus accounts. I didn't say the client installs were that high. That right now stands at around 4 million. Sorry for the confusion.

I should have went back and checked the number before that post. Here's the link for you to decide on your own.

That's a huge gap between the two numbers, however I think that number isn't low enough.

[anzolino]

I think this is a PR campaign. It means nothing.
4 mill installs != 4 mill users. 4 mill. installations could also mean 2x 2 mill installs or simply 1x 4 mill... the best way.

[Kharkov]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

To make sure this stays on track.

The question still remains unanswered.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

Thank you.

38 pages and not a single comment from Bio or EA.

1 person has hinted that the thread should locked due to Facebook being mentioned in relation to privacy.

Soo, take a wild guess, because your guess is as good as anyone elses.

My guess, no one wants to talk about this, well, apart from us, lol

Jump on over to Twitter, ask them on there, they wont answer you, but hey, the silence might provide some comic effect.

 

[Autoclave]

Well, I want to play mass effect regardless of the platform it will be released on.
I prefer it on Steam and I would hate it to see as an Origin Exclusive.

But for one thing, I can guarantee you ppl, that I shall not be tempted (what EA really hopes) to buy any other of their titles of Origin. Once I finish ME3 and have all the possible fun, I will go back to steam. End of the line. I don't need your origin.

[CSunkyst]

Is this really a problem, I don't want garbage like "Origin" on my PC either, but we're talking about PCs here. There will be a crack out possibly BEFORE the game ships.  BS like Origin ironically creates more pirates than it prevents. I know it'll stop me from buying the PC version of ME3, and it's not even just the forced installation of spyware, I absolutely REFUSE to buy a SINGLE PLAYER game from which I need to get permission from EA's servers each and every time I want to run the game. And what the hell are you supposed to do once Origin inevitably goes under someday? Resign yourself to never having access to ME3 again? A game you legally bought and it sitting there installed on your PC but stupidly unusable?. That's a joke. I'll replay a game I love 10 years after the fact, "services" like Origin (and yes, this includes "Steam") are a deal-killer for me.

Modifié par CSunkyst, 15 septembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[Computer_God91]

CSunkyst wrote...
And what the hell are you supposed to do once Origin inevitably goes under someday?

This is why I have switched back to buying physical copies of PC games, so that if one of the services I uses goes down I will still have the disc in my house.

Modifié par Computer_God91, 16 septembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[CSunkyst]

you even have to be careful then. Even with a game on disc, I believe a lot of times you're still required to periodically check in with a server. I don't own ANY games for PC unless I'm able to find a crack for it first. I unhook my internet, install, crack, then see if the game runs without an internet connection, and THEN I'm good to go.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Its a flop, how many Origin installs have uninstalled or no longer use the service, I would put that number upwards of 75%

[Computer_God91]

CSunkyst wrote...
I don't own ANY games for PC unless I'm able to find a crack for it first. I unhook my internet, install, crack, then see if the game runs without an internet connection, and THEN I'm good to go.

Can I ask why you go through all that trouble?

[Soul Cool]

So, bets on when this gets answered? I'm thinking probably either very soon (Due to this topic), or very near to release (around two weeks before release).

[Gatt9]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Information sharing should be opt-in, not opt-out, and require a written signature. 

Exactly. Something else that bothers me about this is their ability to gather someone else's information from your PC.

Example: You store friends, relatives, and acquaintances phone numbers, addresses, etc. on your PC. Without them having any say in the matter their information has just been turned over because of this blanket coverage to pry into your personal life. There is nothing here to protect them from your stupidity should you agree to the EULA as it stands currently.

The Facebook issue -- if your friends post about you on Facebook, you're out there, even if you don't have a Facebook page. 

(Which I don't, and won't.)

Yes there's that, too. But FB is nowhere near as insidious as Origin and it's unrestricted access to even more personal and private information you store. FB also doesn't get the free pass to root around in your PC like this thing will do. Nothing about this application is in favor of you, the buyer.

I read a recent article that EA has something like 137 million+ Origin users so far. Out of that number I wonder how many people realize they have just opened their lives to perfect strangers that basically want to make a buck from their ignorance?

Actually,  Gamespot had an article up last week,  the number is 3.9 million.  I strongly suspect EA's playing their usual game with numbers,  and that they counted all of the message board accounts they migrated over.  I doubt very highly there's that many Origins numbers...

-DAO sold 3.6 million units.
-NFL12 sold only 1.4 million units in it's first week.

But Origins has more users than people who bought their games?

No.  EA's playing fast and loose with numbers again,  just like it does with the games it releases when it announces "Shipped" units instead of "Sold" ones.

[CSunkyst]

Computer_God91 wrote...

CSunkyst wrote...
I don't own ANY games for PC unless I'm able to find a crack for it first. I unhook my internet, install, crack, then see if the game runs without an internet connection, and THEN I'm good to go.

Can I ask why you go through all that trouble?

Because I like to have actual control over the things I pay for.  When I buy a book I should be able to read it where and when I want without needing Del Rey's permission to open MY book.  I find the fact that I need EA's blessing to use a game I already bought as if I were some kind of child in need of permission more than a little insulting.   

Someone here can tell me whatever they want about EULAs or some BS digital copyright act or some other such  nonsense saying that we technically DON'T own the games we buy, to which my response is BS, I morally disagree with any such notions, and as a gamer why wouldn't you as well?  How could anyone support having their rights to control the things they own stripped away from them?  That's like losing the right to vote and cheering on the government for their wise decision.  Years ago if you bought a game, it was your game.  You could do what you wanted with it.  You even *GASP* had the right to sell that game used to another human being.  Things are getting worse, they're moving BACKWARDS and fast.

As I said, I'll replay games I love many years after the fact, I'm planning on giving Thief The Dark Project another run through sometime soon (that game's nearly 15 years old now), I frequently fire up Punchout, I'm sure there are people out there who still like to run through Half Life occasionally.  With the kind of DRM schemes you get with services like Origin and Steam where occasionally even single player games need to check in with their servers periodically, there's a very real (and to me, scary) possibility that you WON'T be able to play a game you buy now 10 years down the road.  When a service is despised as much as Origin apparently is (even before it really gets off the ground) you probably won't even be able to get 5 years out of a game before EA decides to shut Origin down due to lack of profits essentially locking you out of being able to use a product you paid for and "own"  

I LOVE Mass Effect, I almost certainly will want to play through the games again sometime far down the road, thanks to Origin without a good crack I very likely won't be able to.

The sad fact is, the ONLY people this draconian DRM (and apparently also spyware in the case of Origin) hurts are the paying customers.  The pirates have proven time and time again they're able to get their hands on the games, only they're versions of the games with all of the harmful DRM nonsense stripped out of them.     

That's why I go through all of that "trouble"